They stoically took the pain, while asking for cigarrettes from pretty white clad nurses.........hell yeah they are tough enough...bring it on....
From the New York Times
From the New York Times
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Iraqi Resistance 'Brings it On": Ten US Soldiers Wounded Today
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dudleydocker
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A Day After Bush Assurances, 10 U.S. Soldiers Hurt in Iraq
By AMY WALDMAN
AGHDAD, Iraq, July 3 ? A day after President Bush asserted that coalition forces in Iraq were prepared to deal with any security threat, American troops came under attack again this morning, with 10 soldiers wounded in three separate incidents.
In the Baghdad neighborhood of Kadhimiya, a soldier from the 1st Armored Division on foot patrol at 2:30 a.m. local time was wounded after a gunman opened fire. The soldiers returned fire, killing the gunman and wounding a 6-year-old boy who was with him, according to an American military spokesman.
In the city of Ramadi, about 65 miles west of Baghdad, six soldiers were injured when their two-vehicle convoy drove over an improvised explosive device at 6:30 a.m.. The city's Sunni Muslim residents were among the core of Saddam Hussein's base of support, serving as army officers and officials in his government.
Ramadi has become a center of resistance to the American-led occupation. It is only about 30 miles west of Falluja, where an explosion at a Sunni mosque killed at least six people on Monday night. A coalition investigation blamed the explosion on a bomb-making class being held in a building adjacent to the mosque, but many residents accused the Americans of firing a missile into the mosque and promised revenge against American troops.
In Baghdad, just before 10 a.m. local time, a man on foot fired a rocket-propelled grenade on a three-vehicle military convoy moving down Haifa Street, a busy thoroughfare in central Baghdad. One Humvee was struck, injuring three soldiers, witnesses and a military spokesman said.
Witnesses said that in response, soldiers in one of the other vehicles opened fire indiscriminately, seriously wounding, and possibly killing, at least one Iraqi driver nearby. Blood pooled next to the slain driver's blue Volkswagen Passat soon after the attack.
The attack suggested that the urban warfare that had so concerned military planners before the fall of the Saddam Hussein regime was materializing in unexpected forms. The attack against the three-vehicle convoy on Haifa Street was at least the second rocket-propelled grenade assault in broad daylight in Baghdad this week. In both cases, the assailants escaped. Whether out of fear or sympathy for their cause, bystanders and witnesses have done nothing to help coalition forces apprehend the attackers.
President Bush on Wednesday challenged Iraqis who were attacking American-led forces and said the assaults would not cause the United States to leave prematurely.
"There are some who feel like ? that the conditions are such that they can attack us there," Mr. Bush said. "My answer is, bring them on. We've got the force necessary to deal with the security situation." In Baghdad, according to news agency reports, a spokesman for L. Paul Bremer III, the American administrator in charge of Iraq, said the United States was offering a $25 million reward for information that led to the capture of Saddam Hussein, or proof that he was dead.
Soldiers who arrived at the scene of the Baghdad rocket-propelled grenade attack this morning crouched by their vehicles or pointed their weapons fearfully at the high-rise apartment buildings lining that section of the street. In the distance, an AK-47 rifle sounded.
A crowd of people, meanwhile, gathered around the destroyed Humvee and looted it, taking whatever they could remove. Children and adults climbed on top, stomping on it and chanting "God bless Mohammad!" Then someone set the vehicle on fire, and the crowd backed away, watching it slowly burn. Children hurled rocks at the blaze.
More American reinforcements arrived to clear the crowd and guard the vehicle. An armored vehicle drove through and paused, training its gun first on the crowd and then on the apartments above. Helicopters circled low overhead.
Some bystanders expressed support for the attack. "All men should fight," one woman, Nidhal Latif Tawfiq, said. "If I wasn't a woman, I would go to that car," she said of the Humvee surrounded by looters. "I have no job."
The crowd's ire seemed to be fueled by the lack of jobs and the lack of power in Baghdad ? most parts of the city still have no more than 8 to 10 hours of electricity a day.
"It's not because of Saddam people are doing these things," one man said. "It is because there's no government, there's no electricity, and just false promises."
A 12-year-old boy, Ghanim Hamid, carrying part of a military food ration taken from the Humvee, asked if it was true that the Americans were withholding water and power from the Iraqis because the troops were being shot at.
"Get out from our country," a nearby graffito said. It was written in English, so there was no mistaking its meaning.
By AMY WALDMAN
AGHDAD, Iraq, July 3 ? A day after President Bush asserted that coalition forces in Iraq were prepared to deal with any security threat, American troops came under attack again this morning, with 10 soldiers wounded in three separate incidents.
In the Baghdad neighborhood of Kadhimiya, a soldier from the 1st Armored Division on foot patrol at 2:30 a.m. local time was wounded after a gunman opened fire. The soldiers returned fire, killing the gunman and wounding a 6-year-old boy who was with him, according to an American military spokesman.
In the city of Ramadi, about 65 miles west of Baghdad, six soldiers were injured when their two-vehicle convoy drove over an improvised explosive device at 6:30 a.m.. The city's Sunni Muslim residents were among the core of Saddam Hussein's base of support, serving as army officers and officials in his government.
Ramadi has become a center of resistance to the American-led occupation. It is only about 30 miles west of Falluja, where an explosion at a Sunni mosque killed at least six people on Monday night. A coalition investigation blamed the explosion on a bomb-making class being held in a building adjacent to the mosque, but many residents accused the Americans of firing a missile into the mosque and promised revenge against American troops.
In Baghdad, just before 10 a.m. local time, a man on foot fired a rocket-propelled grenade on a three-vehicle military convoy moving down Haifa Street, a busy thoroughfare in central Baghdad. One Humvee was struck, injuring three soldiers, witnesses and a military spokesman said.
Witnesses said that in response, soldiers in one of the other vehicles opened fire indiscriminately, seriously wounding, and possibly killing, at least one Iraqi driver nearby. Blood pooled next to the slain driver's blue Volkswagen Passat soon after the attack.
The attack suggested that the urban warfare that had so concerned military planners before the fall of the Saddam Hussein regime was materializing in unexpected forms. The attack against the three-vehicle convoy on Haifa Street was at least the second rocket-propelled grenade assault in broad daylight in Baghdad this week. In both cases, the assailants escaped. Whether out of fear or sympathy for their cause, bystanders and witnesses have done nothing to help coalition forces apprehend the attackers.
President Bush on Wednesday challenged Iraqis who were attacking American-led forces and said the assaults would not cause the United States to leave prematurely.
"There are some who feel like ? that the conditions are such that they can attack us there," Mr. Bush said. "My answer is, bring them on. We've got the force necessary to deal with the security situation." In Baghdad, according to news agency reports, a spokesman for L. Paul Bremer III, the American administrator in charge of Iraq, said the United States was offering a $25 million reward for information that led to the capture of Saddam Hussein, or proof that he was dead.
Soldiers who arrived at the scene of the Baghdad rocket-propelled grenade attack this morning crouched by their vehicles or pointed their weapons fearfully at the high-rise apartment buildings lining that section of the street. In the distance, an AK-47 rifle sounded.
A crowd of people, meanwhile, gathered around the destroyed Humvee and looted it, taking whatever they could remove. Children and adults climbed on top, stomping on it and chanting "God bless Mohammad!" Then someone set the vehicle on fire, and the crowd backed away, watching it slowly burn. Children hurled rocks at the blaze.
More American reinforcements arrived to clear the crowd and guard the vehicle. An armored vehicle drove through and paused, training its gun first on the crowd and then on the apartments above. Helicopters circled low overhead.
Some bystanders expressed support for the attack. "All men should fight," one woman, Nidhal Latif Tawfiq, said. "If I wasn't a woman, I would go to that car," she said of the Humvee surrounded by looters. "I have no job."
The crowd's ire seemed to be fueled by the lack of jobs and the lack of power in Baghdad ? most parts of the city still have no more than 8 to 10 hours of electricity a day.
"It's not because of Saddam people are doing these things," one man said. "It is because there's no government, there's no electricity, and just false promises."
A 12-year-old boy, Ghanim Hamid, carrying part of a military food ration taken from the Humvee, asked if it was true that the Americans were withholding water and power from the Iraqis because the troops were being shot at.
"Get out from our country," a nearby graffito said. It was written in English, so there was no mistaking its meaning.
dudleydocker
Golden Member
I can't help but wonder what the reconstruction efforts after WW II in Europe and Japan would have been like with today's instant media coverage of every incident, every comment from people on the street, being instantly reported with no context, perspective, or reference to the overall picture......
Thier is a big difference between Japan and Germany and Iraq. The populations of Japan and Germany were highly obediant and structured. Thier was no resistance after the instruments of surrender were signed, they pretty much did whatever the occupation authorities told them to do. This is a completely different situation.
dudleydocker
Golden Member
No!!!! That's not what I saw on TV!!!!!:Q
My point is this: I'm sure that even with a compliant population, there were problems and miscues. Would you want to be in charge of Iraq right now if you had CNN following you into every alley and doorway?
dudleydocker
Golden Member
"...aftermath....." Another scenario comes to mind. Specifically 500 + oil wells on fire, floods from destroyed dams, bridges blown up, mass casualties from WMD use.....OOPPS!!!! Forgot!!! Don't have any!!! Strike that last comment......
I'm sure you'd be right there "commenting" on the job being done with all that DIDN'T happen....
CaptnKirk
Lifer
Reporters are at an absolute minimum in Iraq now, the 'Embeddeds' have left,
the thrill of the chase is over, and the Military is reviewing (censoring) everything.
Very little is reported 'Real Time', and most information and news release is a day
or two old by the time anyone knows, plus there is a 8 to 12 hour time shift
depending on where you live in relation to Iraq time.
In Texas it's 9 hours - Noon Here it's 9 at night there.
the thrill of the chase is over, and the Military is reviewing (censoring) everything.
Very little is reported 'Real Time', and most information and news release is a day
or two old by the time anyone knows, plus there is a 8 to 12 hour time shift
depending on where you live in relation to Iraq time.
In Texas it's 9 hours - Noon Here it's 9 at night there.
Hayabusa Rider
Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Come on in Bush fanboys, and brag how efficient your President is! Maybe you can go to the families of the victims and pat them on the back and say how glad you are for them! By special request, another soldier injured.
Double Trouble
Elite Member
Given the alternative in the last election, I'm glad Bush won.... but then he keeps pulling incredibly moronic stunts and making me question my judgement.
It's one thing to tell the country "this will be tough, but we're up to it, and we will do what needs to be done -- despite the sacrifices". That's good. And then, in an incredible display of stupid macho cowboy bravado, he has to say something like "bring'em on!" ... Yeee haw. I'm sure those people who's butt is on the line on a daily basis (the soldiers) do not appreciate that kind of stupidity, since they will be the ones suffering the consequences. They have to face the dangers, they have to walk the streets.....
It's one thing to tell the country "this will be tough, but we're up to it, and we will do what needs to be done -- despite the sacrifices". That's good. And then, in an incredible display of stupid macho cowboy bravado, he has to say something like "bring'em on!" ... Yeee haw. I'm sure those people who's butt is on the line on a daily basis (the soldiers) do not appreciate that kind of stupidity, since they will be the ones suffering the consequences. They have to face the dangers, they have to walk the streets.....
Even people with half of a monkey's brain knows what our military men and women are doing impossible tasks. Going into a country with a totally different culture and religion and try to restore order after destroying entire infrastructure in the country. Getting into political struggle between political and religeous group that has happened for centuries. Facing hostile people whose family may have died from the war, or lost power from the shift of government.
And the guy with less than a half of a monkey's brain who brought all those upon our soldiers with no good reason is saying those big tough words hiding behind his body guards and special agents. You gotta love that.
And the guy with less than a half of a monkey's brain who brought all those upon our soldiers with no good reason is saying those big tough words hiding behind his body guards and special agents. You gotta love that.
HeroOfPellinor
Lifer
Here's a hint. Don't want to be a victim of US retaliation, then don't stand idly by while some guy carrying a GRENADE LAUNCHER is walking down the street towards the troops. As far as I'm concerned anybody doing that is an accomplice. Yell. Point. Rush him. You say you want your country to be back in your hands, then prove it and DO something to help bring stability...otherwise you're nothing but a terrorist's shield.
Given the alternative in the last election, I'm glad Bush won.... but then he keeps pulling incredibly moronic stunts and making me question my judgement.
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What judgment?
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Poor Hero, against abortion but pro murderer. You are the terrorist's shield and the joke you think you perceive.
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What judgment?
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Poor Hero, against abortion but pro murderer. You are the terrorist's shield and the joke you think you perceive.
Miramonti
Lifer
Everyone likes to call the palestinian groups "terrorists" because they target civilians.
Well, the Iraqi's are targeting the military. They're owned by the US now and are fighting the 'occupation' of their country, and Bush said "bring it on".
So go figure, war is hell, shoulda thought of this beforehand.
HeroOfPellinor
Lifer
The day an unborn baby points a rocket propelled grenade at you, feel free to abort it.
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We attacked them under the pretext of a lie. Your inability to see that is what gave Bush a license to kill. You are the terrorist shield. We just engaged in an illegal preemptive war in which there was no real threat and that was known. The congress were fed lies. But you don't condone murder. Right.
Hayabusa Rider
Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
How about you don't start an unjustified war to begin with so neither side has to be shot at? You like to throw around "terrorist" too freely. Basically anyone who does not like to be subjugated by you is one apparently. Since you are so hot to fight these "terrorists" I am sure that you, being a clever person can find a way over there to teach them a lesson. Be prepared for the soldiers to beat the crap out of you for your silly attitude though. They are not hot to be shot at, and not hot to be there. They are too damned hot though. You and Bush stirring things up really helps them. Why do you two want to kill our soldiers? You're nothing but a "terrorists" reason for existence.
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