Iraqi Parliament taking a month off

Balt

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BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraq's parliament went into summer recess for a month on Monday after political leaders failed to agree on a series of laws that Washington sees as crucial to stabilizing the country.

Lawmakers said the government had yet to present them with any of the laws. The parliament had earlier signaled its intention to go into recess in August after cutting short its summer break that normally starts in July.

"We do not have anything to discuss in the parliament, no laws or constitutional amendments, nothing from the government. Differences between the political factions have delayed the laws," Kurdish lawmaker Mahmoud Othman told Reuters.

The parliament is due to reconvene on September 4, just two weeks before the top U.S. general in Iraq, General David Petraeus, and Washington's envoy to Baghdad, Ryan Crocker, are due to report to Congress on the success of U.S. President George W. Bush's new Iraq strategy and make recommendations.

The recess leaves Bush with little to show Americans after sending nearly 30,000 more troops to Iraq to give Iraqi leaders breathing space to reach a political accommodation.

"Bush cannot realistically go to Congress and say he has to keep U.S. troops there because the Iraqi government is doing a good job -- because the government is largely absent. It places him in a very difficult predicament," said Gareth Stansfield, an analyst at leading British think-tank Chatham House.

Petraeus said commanders felt they would need a substantial force in Iraq at least until mid-2009.

"Sustainable security is, in fact, what we hope to achieve. We do think it will take about that amount of time ... to establish the conditions for it," he told ABC News.

Washington has pressed the Iraqi government to speed up passage of laws that include measures to distribute Iraq's oil reserves and ease restrictions on former members of Saddam Hussein's Baath party serving in the civil service.

It views such laws as key to reconciling disaffected members of Iraq's Sunni Arab community, once politically dominant under Saddam and now locked in a vicious sectarian conflict with majority Shi'ites that has killed tens of thousands.

A U.S. embassy spokesman said that during parliament's recess it was important Iraq's leaders "remained actively engaged on key legislation and trying to reach agreement on the sticking points."

MOUNTING PRESSURE

"In the absence of political agreement there was not much the parliament could have done. We will wait for the summit, which is expected to be next week," said a senior Iraqi government official, referring to a planned crisis meeting of the country's top Sunni Arab, Shi'ite and Kurdish leaders.

"We have a serious crisis but there are serious efforts to resolve it," the official said, adding that the constitution allowed for parliament to be recalled from its summer break.

Cabinet approved the oil law, twice, but it has gone no further. It has been mired in disputes over how much authority regions and central government should have over oil reserves.

Easing the ban on Baathists faces stiff opposition from Shi'ite political parties, who fear a resurgence of Baathists who ruled the country for 35 years. Sunni Arabs say they are the main victims of the ban and are being targeted unfairly.

Bush is under mounting pressure from Democrats in Congress and rebels within his own Republican Party to begin pulling out U.S. troops soon. The April-June quarter was the costliest in American lives since the start of war in 2003, with 331 killed.

The U.S. military reported the deaths of three more soldiers on Monday, taking the death toll since the invasion to 3,651.

A preliminary White House assessment earlier this month faulted Iraqi leaders for failing to enact the laws, but analysts say Shi'ite Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's government -- a brittle coalition of Shi'ites, Sunnis and Kurds -- is paralyzed by infighting.

Ministers loyal to fiery Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr have pulled out of Maliki's government, while the biggest Sunni bloc in parliament, the Accordance Front, is threatening to do the same this week if certain demands are not met.

A car bomb killed six people in a mainly Shi'ite area of Baghdad, ending a brief lull in violence, while Iraqis reveled in their soccer team's Asian Cup triumph.

(Additional reporting by Peter Graff, Aseel Kami and Paul Tait)



Unless the Iraqi government can step up and start getting some things done, there's not going to be much confidence in their ability to govern themselves. Right now, at least, it seems like they aren't even very interested.
 

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Hey have some sympathy. It gets to 130 degrees in Bahgdad in August.
Of course, our troops can't take the month off......!
 

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And how long does our Congress recess for?

I'm not sure it's an alltogether bad thing that they vacate the Green Zone and return home to their constiuents. The protected and insular life in the Zone may not provide much motivation for compromise.

I think they need some new leaders anyway. When's the next election?

As far as their government's dysfunction and inability to compromise - well they look a lot like our government, IMO.

Fern
 

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Originally posted by: Fern
And how long does our Congress recess for?

I'm not sure it's an alltogether bad thing that they vacate the Green Zone and return home to their constiuents. The protected and insular life in the Zone may not provide much motivation for compromise.

I think they need some new leaders anyway. When's the next election?

As far as their government's dysfunction and inability to compromise - well they look a lot like our government, IMO.

Fern

Seriously! They're even taking their breaks at the same time.
 

Balt

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Originally posted by: Fern
And how long does our Congress recess for?

I'm not sure it's an alltogether bad thing that they vacate the Green Zone and return home to their constiuents. The protected and insular life in the Zone may not provide much motivation for compromise.

I think they need some new leaders anyway. When's the next election?

As far as their government's dysfunction and inability to compromise - well they look a lot like our government, IMO.

Fern

A parliament's agenda is determined by its particular country's needs. Do you really think Iraq and the United States are comparable? :roll:
 

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Originally posted by: Balt

A parliament's agenda is determined by its particular country's needs. Do you really think Iraq and the United States are comparable? :roll:

I'd say no, but note that there many similarities.

Anyway, the issue is their Congressional break. All Congresses/parliments do that. And, I'll repeat, I'm not convinced that they are not working, I think that they are merely not in session. If somebody tells me that they are all taking their families to Disney World for a month, that's something else.

But I rather expect that they'll do what our Congress people do - go back to their home district and work the locals. This includes the local "power brokers" as well as the ordinary Joes (Muhammid?). If they are having a lot of difficulty in hammering out compromises (which apparently they are), sometimes a break and an opprtunity to re-think etc is not a bad thing

I'd guess some here are angry because they want them to meet our timelines, and are complaining about the recess. Others may simply complain about it to make the Repubs look bad for political points.

We need a thread about why our Congress people are taking a recess when they can't solve the illegal immigration situation. The Iraqi's number problem issue is agreeing how to run their oil industry and share the revenue. That's their number 1 asset, I'm not surprised that it's difficult to get a compromise, assurances etc.

Meanwhile the training of their security forces continues etc. I don't think legislation is gonna stop car bombings and IEDs.

Fern
 

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Originally posted by: Fern
And how long does our Congress recess for?

How many insurrections, civil wars and suicide bombers, roadside bombs and IED's are our Congress dealing with as daily local events?

How many American troops are dying, daily to support the Bushwhackos' lies while the Iraqi parliament enjoys their month off?

If the Iraqi parliament doesn't think it's important enough to keep working, why shouldn't we give all of our troops the month off, preferably out of the country. If they don't give a damn about their future, why should we?
 

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Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
They need a "decider" who makes his own laws after secret consultations.
Didn't they have one, and in fact just hanged him a few months ago?

 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
They need a "decider" who makes his own laws after secret consultations.

Give 'em ours. He's the reason our troops are dying, daily and he's not doing anyone any good, here.

If he feels that strong about his war of lies, he can put his own life on the line before allowing anymore real Americans to die for his cowardice. :thumbsdown: :frown: :thumbsdown:
 

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No what they need is what we have---just try all kind of outrageous and reckless gambles until you manage to try something that makes everything go boom.
 

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: Fern
And how long does our Congress recess for?

How many insurrections, civil wars and suicide bombers, roadside bombs and IED's are our Congress dealing with as daily local events?

As I say above, passing laws against it ain't gonna stop it. Or do you think that's the problem - a lack of legislation is the cause of sectarian or Al Qiada violence?

Also as I say above - the Iraqi security forces will continue their training. IMO, they are more important in curbing car bombs & IEDs than legislators.


How many American troops are dying, daily to support the Bushwhackos' lies while the Iraqi parliament enjoys their month off?

If the Iraqi parliament doesn't think it's important enough to keep working, why shouldn't we give all of our troops the month off, preferably out of the country. If they don't give a damn about their future, why should we?

Here is the crux of a possible disagreement: not in session != not working.

If somebody knows that they are all taking their families to Disney World for the month, LMK, I won't disagree then.

But ours work during recess, I expect theirs too also. It just means no legislation passed during the recess.

 

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Originally posted by: techs
Hey have some sympathy. It gets to 130 degrees in Bahgdad in August.
Of course, our troops can't take the month off......!

HA no sympathy at all - they should be shot for taking a pledge to be a public servant and then taking time off while ignoring the real situations.


Iraq needs to be invaded again by its population to remove an inept, ineffective and corrupt government whose interests barely mirror the population and are influenced more by neighboring countries interests'.