Iraq war: Unanswered questions

conjur

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That pic of the crater in the Shula district pretty much confirms it wasn't a cruise missile nor a JDAM. Looks not much more than a huge pothole.
 

Mrburns2007

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On cnn they had a reporter stand in a crater of a 500 pound and it was huge. I can't imagine what a 2000 pound would do.
 

Alistar7

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I only have two, where is Saddam and where are the unaccounted WMD he admitting having to the UN....
 

T2T III

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Originally posted by: Alistar7
I only have two, where is Saddam and where are the unaccounted WMD he admitting having to the UN....

- The final disposition of Saddam will be released on/about Sunday 4/22/2003. Seriously.

- The unaccounted WMD have either: 1) Been buried deeply in the sand, or: 2) Been carted off to Syria.



 

LilBlinbBlahIce

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Here's a couple:

-What happens to our credibility as a nation if no WMD's are found?

-Will we just keep diverting the world's attention as we did when we could not find Bin Laden or who was responsible for the Anthrax letter?

-What ever happend to Afghanistan after we "liberated" it? Is that how we are going to "liberate" Iraq?

-Is the puppet leader we approve not going to able to leave his compound without a Marine escort ala Hamid Karzai?

-Why does it seam that all the contracts awarded to US firms seem to somehow be linked to the interests of people within the administration?

-Now that Israel is even less threatened, what incentive does it have to make peace with the Palestinians?

-Who is going to be next on the (pre-emptive attack) list?
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Czar
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2929411.stm
Scuds fired
Umm Qasr falls
Basra uprising
Tank column
Market bombings
Executions
Chemical weapons find
Iraqi general captured
Checkpoint deaths
Cluster bombs

Last time i checked, all those questions had been answered.

Umm Qasr falls - appears to be unquestionably in coalition hands
Basra uprising - Basra also in coalition hands
Tank column - That tank column was reported to not exist. Actually at this point most iraqi tanks do not exist
Market bombings - Crater too small to US munitions. US Military states it might have been a car bomb.
Executions - Maybe this is on unanswered.
Chemical weapons find - lots of chemical suits and masks found, 2 nuke scientist being interviewed
Iraqi general captured - several at this point
Checkpoint deaths - This has been explained and it is unfornate.
Cluster bombs - We used them and did not deny it.


This is a very poorly researched article.
 

Gaard

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Czar
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2929411.stm
Scuds fired
Umm Qasr falls
Basra uprising
Tank column
Market bombings
Executions
Chemical weapons find
Iraqi general captured
Checkpoint deaths
Cluster bombs

Last time i checked, all those questions had been answered.

Umm Qasr falls - appears to be unquestionably in coalition hands
Basra uprising - Basra also in coalition hands
Tank column - That tank column was reported to not exist. Actually at this point most iraqi tanks do not exist
Market bombings - Crater too small to US munitions. US Military states it might have been a car bomb.
Executions - Maybe this is on unanswered.
Chemical weapons find - lots of chemical suits and masks found, 2 nuke scientist being interviewed
Iraqi general captured - several at this point
Checkpoint deaths - This has been explained and it is unfornate.
Cluster bombs - We used them and did not deny it.


This is a very poorly researched article.

Something tells me you didn't read the article. :)

 

Alistar7

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Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Here's a couple:

-What happens to our credibility as a nation if no WMD's are found?

-Will we just keep diverting the world's attention as we did when we could not find Bin Laden or who was responsible for the Anthrax letter?

-What ever happend to Afghanistan after we "liberated" it? Is that how we are going to "liberate" Iraq?

-Is the puppet leader we approve not going to able to leave his compound without a Marine escort ala Hamid Karzai?

-Why does it seam that all the contracts awarded to US firms seem to somehow be linked to the interests of people within the administration?

-Now that Israel is even less threatened, what incentive does it have to make peace with the Palestinians?

-Who is going to be next on the (pre-emptive attack) list?

If none of the WMD Saddam admitted having but could never account for are not found, who knows, doesn't change the fact their existence is known, their location is not. I would rather see them left buried and unfound forever than see them get handed off to another wacko.


What the US is doing in Afghanistan today

Don't forget before the Soviet invasion we were one of their largest donors of aid. We also financed and armed their defense over their soviet occupation and returned to them full control and self rule. The Taliban rose to oppress them even further and harbored AL-Queeda for a variety of reasons.

The search for Bin Laden will NEVER stop, have you missed that they are still actively pursuing and arresting Al-Queeda all over the world, new nations are pledging support and taking action to this day. We also left quite a few dead on the field in Iraq and demolished one of their training bases there. There we recipes for WMD found there as well as manuals on dispersion methods.

The interm Gov won't be there long enough anyway and has very litte real power to do anything, you will see an Iraqi based interm govt. and a national constitution voted on by referendum soon.

The US just awarded over 8 billion to nations who opposed our actions.

Israel will do what we tell them, this will including giving back all settlements and following our 3 yr plan for the creation of a Palestinian state, they can stand in defiance of the rest of the Arab world with us looking over their shoulder and supplying $$$ and arms, but they can't defy the Arab world and the US united on this issue. They understand their existence is and has been dependent on our support. Don't think we are not using this b*tch slap on Israel for our own benefit, this is all being done to send a strong message to the Arab world, long overdue in my opinion.

There is no list. Syrias WMD programs and ties to terrorism are well known. This is the time to show they are really willing to do what is required for Palestine to be created. They have to rid themselves of those groups, in that case I wouldn't be so concerned about them keeping their WMD.
 

LilBlinbBlahIce

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Originally posted by: Alistar7
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Here's a couple:

-What happens to our credibility as a nation if no WMD's are found?

-Will we just keep diverting the world's attention as we did when we could not find Bin Laden or who was responsible for the Anthrax letter?

-What ever happend to Afghanistan after we "liberated" it? Is that how we are going to "liberate" Iraq?

-Is the puppet leader we approve not going to able to leave his compound without a Marine escort ala Hamid Karzai?

-Why does it seam that all the contracts awarded to US firms seem to somehow be linked to the interests of people within the administration?

-Now that Israel is even less threatened, what incentive does it have to make peace with the Palestinians?

-Who is going to be next on the (pre-emptive attack) list?

If none of the WMD Saddam admitted having but could never account for are not found, who knows, doesn't change the fact their existence is known, their location is not. I would rather see them left buried and unfound forever than see them get handed off to another wacko.


What the US is doing in Afghanistan today

Don't forget before the Soviet invasion we were one of their largest donors of aid. We also financed and armed their defense over their soviet occupation and returned to them full control and self rule. The Taliban rose to oppress them even further and harbored AL-Queeda for a variety of reasons.

The search for Bin Laden will NEVER stop, have you missed that they are still actively pursuing and arresting Al-Queeda all over the world, new nations are pledging support and taking action to this day. We also left quite a few dead on the field in Iraq and demolished one of their training bases there. There we recipes for WMD found there as well as manuals on dispersion methods.

The interm Gov won't be there long enough anyway, you will see an Iraqi interm govt. soon and a national constitution voted on by referendum soon.

The US just awarded over 8 billion to nations who opposed our actions.

Israel will do what we tell them, this will including giving back all settlements and following our 3 yr plan for the creation of a Palestinian state, they can stand in defiance of the rest of the Arab world with us looking over their shoulder and supplying $$$ and arms, but they can't defy the Arab world and the US united on this issue. They understand their existence is has been dependent on our support. Don't think we are not using this b*tch slap on Israel for our own benefit, this is all being done to send a strong message to the Arab world, long overdue in my opinion.

There is no list. Syrias WMD programs and ties to terrorism are well known. This is the time to show they are really willing to do what is required for Palestine to be created. They have to rid themselves of those groups, in thatcase I wouldn't be so concerned about them keeping their WMD.

The CIA armed the Mujahadeen to fight the Soviets, and after the war we left them in a highly distabalized state where the ultra Islamists could take power and give birth to the Taliban. We abandoned them just like we abandoned the Iraqi's rebelling after the Gulf War. if we had helped the Afghani's obtain stability back then, who knows, maybe they would not have harboured Bin Laden. But there was nothing for us to profit from by doing so, so we didnt. The only reason we armed them in the first place was b/c they were fighting the Soviets, not out of altruism.

Israel told Bush to go to hell when he told them to withdraw from the occupied territories some time ago when they had surrounded Arafat's compound and wanted him to go into exile. They have been violating UN resolutions for 35 years! And the US has vetoed any resolution even mildly critical of Israel. AIPAC is the second most powerful lobby in the US after the AARP. Imagine that, the second most powerful political action committee in the US has NOTHING to do with 98% of Americans! After all that goes down, Bush has the audacity to call Sharon a "man of peace". People like Richard Perle and Wolfowitz have the Presidents ear, and neo-conservatives will support Israel no matter what as long as their pastor keeps telling them to. Face it, Israel has this country by the balls, not the other way around. Try critisizing Israel and running for public office, you'll find out soon enough.

As for Bin Laden, he is as much the quintesential symbol of terrorism as the hammer and sikle are of communism. Unless he is found, this war on terrorism will not be won, as long as he's alive, he's an inspiration to terrorists everywhere. What about Mullah Omar? And what about the anthrax letters, does anyone even remember those? The hunt for Qaeda may continue, but I am sure Bush did not forsee not being able to catch Bin Laden. Iraq must have presented a faboulous diversion opportunity for him.

 

charrison

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Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Czar
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2929411.stm
Scuds fired
Umm Qasr falls
Basra uprising
Tank column
Market bombings
Executions
Chemical weapons find
Iraqi general captured
Checkpoint deaths
Cluster bombs

Last time i checked, all those questions had been answered.

Umm Qasr falls - appears to be unquestionably in coalition hands
Basra uprising - Basra also in coalition hands
Tank column - That tank column was reported to not exist. Actually at this point most iraqi tanks do not exist
Market bombings - Crater too small to US munitions. US Military states it might have been a car bomb.
Executions - Maybe this is on unanswered.
Chemical weapons find - lots of chemical suits and masks found, 2 nuke scientist being interviewed
Iraqi general captured - several at this point
Checkpoint deaths - This has been explained and it is unfornate.
Cluster bombs - We used them and did not deny it.


This is a very poorly researched article.

Something tells me you didn't read the article. :)

I read the article well before czar posted it.
 

Format C:

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So this is the much ballyhooed "unbiased" BBC? What a crock. Anyone too blind and stupid to not see the glaring bias, outright misrepresentation, and the obvious agenda in that so called piece of journalism isn't worth anyone's effort to correct. Even worse is you BBCniks have the gaul to call American media biased. If you think that piece of tripe is accurate and unbiased reporting I'd be willing to bet that you also believed every word that came out of the Iragi Information Minister's mouth. I swear. There's got to be a Global shortage on brain cells.
 

LilBlinbBlahIce

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Originally posted by: Format C:
So this is the much ballyhooed "unbiased" BBC? What a crock. Anyone too blind and stupid to not see the glaring bias, outright misrepresentation, and the obvious agenda in that so called piece of journalism isn't worth anyone's effort to correct. Even worse is you BBCniks have the gaul to call American media biased. If you think that piece of tripe is accurate and unbiased reporting I'd be willing to bet that you also believed every word that came out of the Iragi Information Minister's mouth. I swear. There's got to be a Global shortage on brain cells.

Any examples on the BBC's obvious bias? All we have to do here is turn on Fox News to see the dictionary defenetion of biased.
 

cpumaster

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Saddam admitted of having WMDs and also have already destroyed them as required by UN 1440
:) he admitted (grudgingly) having them but he also said he has destroyed them. IF (using logic) you're going to use his first statement of having WMD as an honest basis of your argument, that means you have to also accept his 2nd assertion of having destroyed them all.
 

Tab

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Did anyone watch the clean up of the market bombing. Interesting on how the Iraqi soldier will filling it up so quickly :D You think they would search for bomb fragments and analyize them.
 

Czar

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Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: Format C:
So this is the much ballyhooed "unbiased" BBC? What a crock. Anyone too blind and stupid to not see the glaring bias, outright misrepresentation, and the obvious agenda in that so called piece of journalism isn't worth anyone's effort to correct. Even worse is you BBCniks have the gaul to call American media biased. If you think that piece of tripe is accurate and unbiased reporting I'd be willing to bet that you also believed every word that came out of the Iragi Information Minister's mouth. I swear. There's got to be a Global shortage on brain cells.

posts like this makes me wonder what you actually have to do to become an elite member
rolleye.gif
 

charrison

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Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Format C:
So this is the much ballyhooed "unbiased" BBC? What a crock. Anyone too blind and stupid to not see the glaring bias, outright misrepresentation, and the obvious agenda in that so called piece of journalism isn't worth anyone's effort to correct. Even worse is you BBCniks have the gaul to call American media biased. If you think that piece of tripe is accurate and unbiased reporting I'd be willing to bet that you also believed every word that came out of the Iragi Information Minister's mouth. I swear. There's got to be a Global shortage on brain cells.

posts like this makes me wonder what you actually have to do to become an elite member
rolleye.gif

So you beleive that the BBC is without any bias or agenda?
 

Format C:

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Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Format C:
So this is the much ballyhooed "unbiased" BBC? What a crock. Anyone too blind and stupid to not see the glaring bias, outright misrepresentation, and the obvious agenda in that so called piece of journalism isn't worth anyone's effort to correct. Even worse is you BBCniks have the gaul to call American media biased. If you think that piece of tripe is accurate and unbiased reporting I'd be willing to bet that you also believed every word that came out of the Iragi Information Minister's mouth. I swear. There's got to be a Global shortage on brain cells.

posts like this makes me wonder what you actually have to do to become an elite member
rolleye.gif

Well, there are several requirements not the least of which is having some number more than two brain cells. Sorry.

:(