Iraq War Civilian Death Toll Past 6,000

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Define "acceptable loss" and what becomes acceptable if the reason we went to war for in the first place turns out to be a sham?

I can't put a number to it if you want me to do that. Oh and as much as you seem to want to see this war as a sham - it is not. Saddam should have been gone long ago - WMD reasons or not.

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I don't know how you define sham, but if someone tells me they are doing something for a reason and provides me with what they claim is undeniable proof justifiying their actions, and then their proof is false, I call that a sham. Saddam was a bad guy, no arguement, but there are many bad guys out there, many of whome we support and many of whom are infinetly worse than Saddam could ever be. Altruism is not a reason to declare war on a sovreign nation, but oil, display of military might and Israel are definetly reasons this administration would consider worthwhile enough to mislead the American people IMO. If they find WMD, you will be vindicated, but beleive me, America has lost a lot fo credibility in the eyes of the world thanks to this little adventure.

OK, so one detail of Bush's reasons to go to war has been proven to be wrong but this a sham does not make.

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[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY


No - your twisted reading of my question is your problem.

Saddam's regime most certainly would have killed more people - we removed that threat. It is only naive to believe that only we are responsible for these 6000 deaths. Are you saying that accounts of Iraqis shooting people trying to escape/take shelter are wrong?

CkG

Here we have it, the incredible psychic. Step right up folks and have CADkindaGUY tell you your future! Will you be rich? Will you murder someone? Only 1 dollar folks and your future will be revealed!

I think your logic module is malfunctioning - please refer to your user manual to which style is needed to replace it. A new one can be purchased HERE

CkG

What, so you're NOT a psychic? How the heck can you say Saddam will most certainly kill more people then?

BECAUSE HE DID!!! He threatened people and their families and followed through with those threats if they disobeyed. You think he magically changed one day? Man you are as "blind" as you claim people who support the war are.

CkG

so because he once killed people a decade ago, he will definitely 100% sure do it again soon unless we invade Iraq and occupy it for an indefiniate amount of time?

Yeah

he only killed people a decade ago.

Did you check out that link I provided you?

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[Lucky]

These 30,000 "I's" represent a tenth of the people Saddam killed while in power.

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[LilBlinbBlahIce]

CkG, Would you prefer me to call it a deception? Do you honesly feel the American people would have supported intervention if WMD's were not an issue? I think not. No one's arguing that Saddam needed to go, he was brutal, but that would not have been enough on its own to get Americans to put our soldier's lives at risk. Liberating the Iraqis was a byproduct, not the primary goal and IMO it would have never happened if Bush had not convinced the easily convincable about Saddam's immenent threat.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY


No - your twisted reading of my question is your problem.

Saddam's regime most certainly would have killed more people - we removed that threat. It is only naive to believe that only we are responsible for these 6000 deaths. Are you saying that accounts of Iraqis shooting people trying to escape/take shelter are wrong?

CkG

Here we have it, the incredible psychic. Step right up folks and have CADkindaGUY tell you your future! Will you be rich? Will you murder someone? Only 1 dollar folks and your future will be revealed!

I think your logic module is malfunctioning - please refer to your user manual to which style is needed to replace it. A new one can be purchased HERE

CkG

What, so you're NOT a psychic? How the heck can you say Saddam will most certainly kill more people then?

BECAUSE HE DID!!! He threatened people and their families and followed through with those threats if they disobeyed. You think he magically changed one day? Man you are as "blind" as you claim people who support the war are.

CkG

so because he once killed people a decade ago, he will definitely 100% sure do it again soon unless we invade Iraq and occupy it for an indefiniate amount of time?

Yeah

he only killed people a decade ago.

Did you check out that link I provided you?

CkG

Well at least now we can let the record show: CADkindaGUY cannot distinguish between assumption and fact.

 

[Czar]

two wrongs make a right

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Lucky
These 30,000 "I's" represent a tenth of the people Saddam killed while in power.

Should I paste an "i" for every person Bush has lied to?

 

[MonkeyK]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
OK, so one detail of Bush's reasons to go to war has been proven to be wrong but this a sham does not make.

CkG

One detail? The immenent threat was the whole argument!

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Nice one Lucky, now how about you multiply that by a hundred to represent innocent Africans that have been slaughtered and go after some of the freaks that are ravaging so many nations on that continent? Sorry, no non-existent WMD's, no oil and no threat to Israel. And there is no way to allude that the Congo had anything to do with 9/11 and make millions of poor suckers beleive it.

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Nice one Lucky, now how about you multiply that by a hundred to represent innocent Africans and go after some of the freaks that are ravaging many nations on that continent? Sorry, no non-existent WMD's, no oil and no threat to Israel. And there is no way to allude that the Congo had anything to do with 9/11 and make millions of poor suckers beleive it.

I'm unclear what starving/murderous/aids-ridden africans have to do with the 300,000 people saddamm murdered.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Lucky

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Nice one Lucky, now how about you multiply that by a hundred to represent innocent Africans and go after some of the freaks that are ravaging many nations on that continent? Sorry, no non-existent WMD's, no oil and no threat to Israel. And there is no way to allude that the Congo had anything to do with 9/11 and make millions of poor suckers beleive it.

I'm unclear what starving/murderous/aids-ridden africans have to do with the 300,000 people saddamm murdered.

Because is seems you are using Saddam's murderous ways to justify the war. The primary reason was WMD, and it does not look like they are going to be found. I was pointing out that if we had altruism on our mind, we could have intervened and saved many, many, many more lives elsewhere.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY


No - your twisted reading of my question is your problem.

Saddam's regime most certainly would have killed more people - we removed that threat. It is only naive to believe that only we are responsible for these 6000 deaths. Are you saying that accounts of Iraqis shooting people trying to escape/take shelter are wrong?

CkG

Here we have it, the incredible psychic. Step right up folks and have CADkindaGUY tell you your future! Will you be rich? Will you murder someone? Only 1 dollar folks and your future will be revealed!

I think your logic module is malfunctioning - please refer to your user manual to which style is needed to replace it. A new one can be purchased HERE

CkG

What, so you're NOT a psychic? How the heck can you say Saddam will most certainly kill more people then?

BECAUSE HE DID!!! He threatened people and their families and followed through with those threats if they disobeyed. You think he magically changed one day? Man you are as "blind" as you claim people who support the war are.

CkG

so because he once killed people a decade ago, he will definitely 100% sure do it again soon unless we invade Iraq and occupy it for an indefiniate amount of time?

Yeah

he only killed people a decade ago.

Did you check out that link I provided you?

CkG

Well at least now we can let the record show: CADkindaGUY cannot distinguish between assumption and fact.

Did you check that link yet? You really really need it.

I think you are the only person who is bold/dumb enough to believe that Saddam hasn't killed anyone in the past decade. Where exactly did I say that it was a fact that he would have? Pssstt - I didn't 😉 All FACTS logically point to the conclusion that he would have.

Please go to that link - you need help.

CkG

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
CkG, Would you prefer me to call it a deception? Do you honesly feel the American people would have supported intervention if WMD's were not an issue? I think not. No one's arguing that Saddam needed to go, he was brutal, but that would not have been enough on its own to get Americans to put our soldier's lives at risk. Liberating the Iraqis was a byproduct, not the primary goal and IMO it would have never happened if Bush had not convinced the easily convincable about Saddam's immenent threat.

All I know is that I would have supported it.🙂 You can second guess all you want but the the fact is that there were many reasons to go - it's just that they chose to play the WMD angle (just like Clinton did) but that doesn't mean the other reasons don't count.

CkG

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
CkG, Would you prefer me to call it a deception? Do you honesly feel the American people would have supported intervention if WMD's were not an issue? I think not. No one's arguing that Saddam needed to go, he was brutal, but that would not have been enough on its own to get Americans to put our soldier's lives at risk. Liberating the Iraqis was a byproduct, not the primary goal and IMO it would have never happened if Bush had not convinced the easily convincable about Saddam's immenent threat.

All I know is that I would have supported it.🙂 You can second guess all you want but the the fact is that there were many reasons to go - it's just that they chose to play the WMD angle (just like Clinton did) but that doesn't mean the other reasons don't count.

CkG

Give one other reason that would have gained the support of the majority of Americans to support a pre-emptive strike on a sovreign nation. You may support it, but I guarantee you that no other reason would have won enough popular support to lead to military action. Do you think the Brits would have hopped on board. But I do want to know what other reasons do you think would justify this.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
CkG, Would you prefer me to call it a deception? Do you honesly feel the American people would have supported intervention if WMD's were not an issue? I think not. No one's arguing that Saddam needed to go, he was brutal, but that would not have been enough on its own to get Americans to put our soldier's lives at risk. Liberating the Iraqis was a byproduct, not the primary goal and IMO it would have never happened if Bush had not convinced the easily convincable about Saddam's immenent threat.

All I know is that I would have supported it.🙂 You can second guess all you want but the the fact is that there were many reasons to go - it's just that they chose to play the WMD angle (just like Clinton did) but that doesn't mean the other reasons don't count.

CkG

Give one other reason that would have gained the support of the majority of Americans to support a pre-emptive strike on a sovreign nation. You may support it, but I guarantee you that no other reason would have won enough popular support to lead to military action. Do you think the Brits would have hopped on board. But I do want to know what other reasons do you think would justify this.

The main one is Saddam's repeated breaking of the ceasefire agreement after the war in 91. I think the fact that we(and the UN) let it go on for so long shows weakness.

CkG

 

[CaptnKirk]

That line of logic, or lack of logic makes no sense.

Quote: "All I know is that I would have supported it."

Jump, bark, roll over, now play dead.

I try to analyze and understand all of the issues - before I jump off of the edge of a cliff.
I still believe that the laws and the law of gravity are valid.
I don't like the Posse mentality of a C'Boy Gunslinger making up his own laws
just to suit his puopose and fit into his agenda. (As paid for by his buddies)

Something I keep hearing over and over and reading in the reports about meetings and
dealing with Bush is "He got angry in the meeting and told his subordinates to fix things"
He did that on the WMD evidence, and just about everything else he is presented with.
That is the childish attitude that has doomed every thing that he has done in business.
Dammit - this is a Countries Government, a position of responsible leadership,
Not a place to have a temper tantrum when he dosen't get his way, and
not a personal business that he can run willey-nilley on his every whim.