Iraq & Saddam

[Grasshopper27]

What is it about Saddam that so many people commenting here don't want to see him disposed? He is a menace, an antagonist, a dictator, a murderer, a torturer and a megalomaniac. We are free citizens of the world. Do not the Iraqis deserve to be free as well? They cannot get rid of him themselves.

As far as the accusations of imperialism are concerned, do people really believe the US is going to plant a flag on Iraq soil, make it a colony and start charging taxes? This is not going to happen. We are going to set up a democratic government that can be trusted controlling a large portion of the world's oil supply. Oil that fuels the world's economy, not just the US's.

 

[Zim Hosein]

Maybe because George Sr. Beat SH in the Gulf War, but we weren't able to kill him.

 

[tcsenter]

What is it about Saddam that so many people commenting here don't want to see him disposed?

Well when Clinton was saying that Saddam was a menace to the world and strongly suggested that a regime change is in order, many if not most of the same anti-war protestors were cheering. So there you have one part of your answer, for many its simply a political thing. A lot of them are especially bitter over the election, so they will rail on against anything and everything that is said or done by Bush.

But if you remember how brutally and unrelenting the Republican's persecuted and attacked Clinton, digging up some trailer park queen to accuse Clinton of improper behavior and foisting her to the national spotlight, some even going as far as accusing Clinton of having people murdered for crying out loud, the Republicans aren't in any position to by crying foul now that their President is the new whipping boy.

The Bush - Oil Pipeline - Iraq - Afghanistan conspiracy thing that is making the rounds isn't any different from the Clinton - Mena - Drug Smuggling - 'Trail of Bodies' conspiracy thing that was making the rounds when Clinton was in office.

 

[Zebo]

I don't understand it. To me pretty liberal dude on most things, we should be in there real quick just to stop the humanitarian rights alone. I saw a special on PBS, where some shop keeper said something minor about the regime, and was burned alive in front of his store by the repulican guard or army. Then there is everything else, Potential WMD, Supporting terror in pal, and no abiding by the sactions his govermnet signed. Iraq like afganistan will be better for it. But ya there is that oil connection which even if true is minimal compared to leavig him there.

 

[laFiera]

yeah....the man is definetely not an angel; his history indicates he got there b/c early on in his career he was the best at torturing and disposing of his critics/enemies; yet, with his stellar wicked resume, the united states " under the successive administrations of Ronald Reagan and George Bush Snr, sold materials including anthrax, VX nerve gas, West Nile fever germs and botulism to Iraq right up until March 1992, as well as germs similar to tuberculosis and pneumonia. Other bacteria sold included brucella melitensis, which damages major organs, and clostridium perfringens, which causes gas gangrene."
Why would the usa sell such products to a man that already had a history of being a dictator, murderer, torturer and megalomaniac? I asssure you he didn't acquire those traits overnight. So then why wasn't this man disposed earlier on???

And about just setting a democratic govt ahem...yeah....if you believe that i got a little piece of news for u:

U.S. considers seizing revenues to pay for occupation, source says

Washington -- Bush administration officials are seriously considering proposals that the United States tap Iraq's oil to help pay the cost of a military occupation, a move that likely would prove highly inflammatory in an Arab world already suspicious of U.S. motives in Iraq.

Officially, the White House agrees that oil revenue would play an important role during an occupation period, but only for the benefit of Iraqis, according to a National Security Council spokesman.

Yet there are strong advocates inside the administration, including the White House, for appropriating the oil funds as "spoils of war,? according to a source who has been briefed by participants in the dialogue.

 

[DoNotDisturb]

He's like a freaken clone of Hitler, he should have been assassinated (well they tried to of course..). He's evil. Bwarrr.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Grasshopper27
What is it about Saddam that so many people commenting here don't want to see him disposed? He is a menace, an antagonist, a dictator, a murderer, a torturer and a megalomaniac. We are free citizens of the world. Do not the Iraqis deserve to be free as well? They cannot get rid of him themselves.

As far as the accusations of imperialism are concerned, do people really believe the US is going to plant a flag on Iraq soil, make it a colony and start charging taxes? This is not going to happen. We are going to set up a democratic government that can be trusted controlling a large portion of the world's oil supply. Oil that fuels the world's economy, not just the US's.

1. Dont think anyone here dont want to see Saddam removed, but those who are ciritizing it now are ciritizing the methood the US wants to do it and if its legaly correct to do it. Also the lack of a plan of what happens after the US is done with Saddam is a big big big big problem.

2. Its easy to belive that actually wether its true or not. Here is something, Turkey is looking into taking some Oil from Iraq after the war. They just want a few oil reserves and not any land, only if they are inside the old Ottoman empires borders.

Also, after looking at Afghanistan, the country the US promisted to nurture into a democracy is doing then lately the US has a very bad track record of putting temocracy into a country with dictators.

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
Maybe because George Sr. Beat SH in the Gulf War, but we weren't able to kill him.

We didn't try to kill him. The gulf war was able to obtain the goals of that war better then almost any military action in history.

TO see this sucess you have to see the main objectives of the glf war.

They were
1.) Liberate Kuwait from Iraq (done)
2.) put Iraq's military into a position that they could not invade for at least 10 years.

They did make a huge mistake with the cease fire agreement however but this was due to the fact that we got in so fast. All the advisers thought that the ground invasion would take weeks not hours.

They decided to end quickly because they didn't want to go to staight to bagdad and Swartsakof (sp) told bush end this now or we will be in bagdad in a less that a week. Even we did not relize how effective the air campain was. The beleif was that if we distroyed saddams infastructure and imposed santions the people of Iraq would rebel and dispose of saddam but that didn't happen.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Originally posted by: DoNotDisturb
He's like a freaken clone of Hitler, he should have been assassinated (well they tried to of course..). He's evil. Bwarrr.

Actually, the US hasn't tried to assassinate him. They tried to bomb in his area, but they can't use their Navy Seal teams or CIA operatives to attempt to assassinate him because it would be in violation of a U.N. treaty.