Iraq oil output close to pre-war levels..God Bless President Bush and our troops!

heartsurgeon

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NYT's article
"BAGHDAD, Iraq, Feb. 29 ? Iraq's oil industry has undergone a remarkable turnaround and is now producing and exporting almost as much crude oil as it did before the war"
"We're well ahead of the targets that we set in the aftermath of the war....With additional production increases expected, oil exports this year could add $14 billion to Iraq's threadbare budget"
"Iraq owns the third-largest oil reserves in the world, after Saudi Arabia and Canada, and its economy is almost solely reliant on revenue from oil exports. That revenue could help finance Iraq's economic revival, Iraqi and occupation officials say, in turn strengthening the country's political stability as it moves to sovereignty during the next four months."
"The American military commander, Lt. Gen. Ricardo S. Sanchez, said last week that attacks on coalition soldiers had been cut by half in the last three months, even as attacks on Iraqis had increased. "
"Attacks on the pipeline dropped to 8 in January and February from 47 in the last three months of 2003, according to coalition officials ? a sign, they said, of the success of a new Iraqi oil police trained under an American contract"
"American officials said it would take five years at a minimum for the industry to reach a reasonable level of efficiency and 10 to 15 years for Iraq to have a modern industry, at a cost that could reach $30 billion."

gee..i need a liberal to explain to me how this is a bad thing...

 

lozina

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It's good to know they are protecting the oil pipeline more than the citizens (See other thread about 141 people killed)
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: lozina
It's good to know they are protecting the oil pipeline more than the citizens (See other thread about 141 people killed)
Hey we freed them from the tyranical riegn of Hussien and his sons! What else could they possibly want?
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

gee..i need a liberal to explain to me how this is a bad thing...

Well there are 2 for you and a third poster who basically has echoed the liberal chants

CkG

Yes, life goes on... Where you may see a clear day, others will find dark clouds, and vice versa.
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Spencer278
I think the oil would have been cheaper to buy instead of steal.


Probably, too bad we aren't stealing it either.
Whatever lies you tell yourself to feel better.

But how reliable is that? A 'state-run' oil company established by the Iraqi council we appointed. Is it not at all possible that this company could be formed with our interests in mind?
 

heartsurgeon

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i'm going to go out on a limb and guess that none of the liberals that posted on this thread so far, actually read the link...not a single one...

PLEASE correct me if i'm wrong.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Spencer278
I think the oil would have been cheaper to buy instead of steal.


Probably, too bad we aren't stealing it either.
Whatever lies you tell yourself to feel better.

But how reliable is that? A 'state-run' oil company established by the Iraqi council we appointed. Is it not at all possible that this company could be formed with our interests in mind?

rolleye.gif

Ofcourse it's "possible". But the point is that the Iraqi people are going to have a say in this matter and have control over their resources.

CkG
 

heartsurgeon

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this news is HUGE, and none of the liberal poster's seems to acknowledge the enormity of this.

the oil revenue alone is sufficient to run the country.
the more "normal" the day to day atmosphere, the more commerce, the more wealth, the more social services, etc..the more stable the country becomes, the more viable a democratic future looks, the more stability in world oil prices, oil production, regional stability...the "terra-forming" of the middle east into modern, democratically governed region will be radically hastened by a stable, flourishing iraq.
this is good for the entire world (with the exception of Al-Queda, and the thugs Saddam left behind)
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY


rolleye.gif

Ofcourse it's "possible". But the point is that the Iraqi people are going to have a say in this matter and have control over their resources.

CkG

Well, I'm trying to point out the contrary- did the Iraqi people have any say in the appointment of the governing council?
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY


rolleye.gif

Ofcourse it's "possible". But the point is that the Iraqi people are going to have a say in this matter and have control over their resources.

CkG

Well, I'm trying to point out the contrary- did the Iraqi people have any say in the appointment of the governing council?

When was the last time the Iraqi people had a say? Are they not going to have a say via elections?
Now back to the thread topic.

CkG
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
this news is HUGE, and none of the liberal poster's seems to acknowledge the enormity of this.

the oil revenue alone is sufficient to run the country.
the more "normal" the day to day atmosphere, the more commerce, the more wealth, the more social services, etc..the more stable the country becomes, the more viable a democratic future looks, the more stability in world oil prices, oil production, regional stability...the "terra-forming" of the middle east into modern, democratically governed region will be radically hastened by a stable, flourishing iraq.
this is good for the entire world (with the exception of Al-Queda, and the thugs Saddam left behind)

It is good news, but I don't share your enthusiasm, especially on a day when 141 innocent people were slaughtered. So it's 14 billion a year, that's great- but it would take approximiately 6.2 years for that revenue to equals the 87 billion we pumped into the country in one sitting alone (of course most of it went to troops maintenance but there were also other fundings throughout the timeframe). Security of the residents should be the highest priority, because a typical Iraqi may look at this situation as a higher priority over their oil then their life.
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: lozina
It's good to know they are protecting the oil pipeline more than the citizens (See other thread about 141 people killed)

Maybe we should issue bodyguards to every single citizen?
rolleye.gif


What do you propose?

Cheers on Iraq, maybe we can get them to pull out of OPEC and make them our preferred seller. Let those other fvckers drown in their own surpluses
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: Nitemare


Cheers on Iraq, maybe we can get them to pull out of OPEC and make them our preferred seller. Let those other fvckers drown in their own surpluses

I'm glad you're more honest and realistic... so you think our incursion into Iraq can be based on our own economic self-interest? I just remembered the various posters here who were complaining that France/Russia's opposition to our invasion as solely in their 'economic self-interest', while not giving their own country's motive any second thought.
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: Nitemare


Cheers on Iraq, maybe we can get them to pull out of OPEC and make them our preferred seller. Let those other fvckers drown in their own surpluses

I'm glad you're more honest and realistic... so you think our incursion into Iraq can be based on our own economic self-interest? I just remembered the various posters here who were complaining that France/Russia's opposition to our invasion as solely in their 'economic self-interest', while not giving their own country's motive any second thought.

I'm a realist and a capitalist. If we can make Iraq our buddies and scratch each others back in the process while giving Saudi the shaft, I'm all for it.
 

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Well, I have to wonder if Iraq is better off now. I never heard of terrorists bombing Iraqis while Saddam was in power. Would Saddam have killed more Iraqis in the last year and a half than the US war + all the bombings have done? 143 dead today alone. I doubt it. Meanwhile we still have a death penalty in the US so we have no room to point fingers at even Hitler for executing people. At least if we had no death penalty here we could say Saddamn was bad for putting people to death.
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: Nitemare


I'm a realist and a capitalist. If we can make Iraq our buddies and scratch each others back in the process while giving Saudi the shaft, I'm all for it.

I respect your honesty and opinion. And I agree, we do have to watch out for ourselves and keep our own well-being in mind. I just question the means by which we accomplish some of these goals, but mostly I tire of the repetive cheers of USA only going into Iraq to help the people and bring democracy to the land and yadda yadda, while expecting nothing in return. The self-less idealogy of America is humorous.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: Nitemare


I'm a realist and a capitalist. If we can make Iraq our buddies and scratch each others back in the process while giving Saudi the shaft, I'm all for it.

I respect your honesty and opinion. And I agree, we do have to watch out for ourselves and keep our own well-being in mind. I just question the means by which we accomplish some of these goals, but mostly I tire of the repetive cheers of USA only going into Iraq to help the people and bring democracy to the land and yadda yadda, while expecting nothing in return. The self-less idealogy of America is humorous.

"War for Oil" is BS. But as Nitemare pointed out there is nothing wrong with trying to make them our "buddy" in the process. Now it is a stretch to say that we went in there just to make them our buddy(so we could get oil) - which you seem to be trying to imply. Saddam did not comply - end of story. He could still be in power as you leftist seem to think he should be if he only would have followed the agreements he signed. But alas he chose his fate. Yes, part of us going over there was to free the people and bring Democracy.

Anyway - great news for the Iraqi people HS. Hopefully the Iraqi masses will see the good that has come from all this and continue and increase their support of us rooting out the remaining groups of "resistance".

CkG
 

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The thread title is misleading. Output is "close to " pre-war levels. Not at pre-war levels.
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: Nitemare


I'm a realist and a capitalist. If we can make Iraq our buddies and scratch each others back in the process while giving Saudi the shaft, I'm all for it.

I respect your honesty and opinion. And I agree, we do have to watch out for ourselves and keep our own well-being in mind. I just question the means by which we accomplish some of these goals, but mostly I tire of the repetive cheers of USA only going into Iraq to help the people and bring democracy to the land and yadda yadda, while expecting nothing in return. The self-less idealogy of America is humorous.

Such is politics. Everyone has ulterior motives, but I think the US was sincere in wanting to eliminate a threat, Saddam, while possibly be making a friend in the process, the Iraqi citizens. We need more people in the Middle East that aren't ravenous American flag burners. While our motives weren't completely altruistic, neither is somebody that gives a huge chunk of change to charity for a tax right off. Does the charity really mind that the money was not given without any expectation in return?

Bottomline is, we got rid of a fundamentalist dictatorship that was funding terrorism as well as killing any and all that disagreed with him. The world is a better place and soon Iraq will be a better place as well. It's tragic that you still have Iraqi's killing other Iraqi's for the whole sake of remembering the wonderful pasttime of being able to kill them while under orders. Every civilization has sadistic fvcks that do not value human life, only in Iraq they have removed their military garb and are doing their deeds in civilian clothing.

May Allah find these individuals and make them see the light or may he find their family and friends and help them convince the terrorists of the error of their ways.