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Iraq mobile phone use could grow 400% in 2005

yllus

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Iraq mobile phone use could grow 400 pct in 2005
DUBAI (Reuters) - The number of mobile phone subscribers in Iraq could grow by 400 percent to about 5 million by the end of 2005, a leading telecommunications operator in the strife-torn country said on Sunday.

But MTC Atheer, a joint venture between Kuwait's Mobile Telecommunications Co and Iraq's Atheer Telecom, will not make profits until at least 2007 because Iraqi phone bills are still fairly small, said the firm's Chief Executive Ali al-Dahwi.

MTC Atheer has a market share of between 30 percent and 40 percent in a country where a conflict pitting insurgents against government troops and U.S.-led forces has taken a huge toll on the civilian population.

"Today we are reaching very close to 1 million subscribers, I think we will achieve that within the next week or so, and I think we are going to exceed 1.5 million by the end of the year," Dahwi told Reuters in an interview.

Dahwi said that would amount to 400 percent growth over the whole of 2005 and that demand for mobile phones had greatly exceeded expectations.
Though all this, MTC Atheer is also creating almost 10,000 direct and indirect jobs for Iraqis and helping put together one badly needed element of a nation's infrastructure that we now take for granted. The mostly unreported construction of Iraq rolls onwards. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: yllus
Iraq mobile phone use could grow 400 pct in 2005
DUBAI (Reuters) - The number of mobile phone subscribers in Iraq could grow by 400 percent to about 5 million by the end of 2005, a leading telecommunications operator in the strife-torn country said on Sunday.

But MTC Atheer, a joint venture between Kuwait's Mobile Telecommunications Co and Iraq's Atheer Telecom, will not make profits until at least 2007 because Iraqi phone bills are still fairly small, said the firm's Chief Executive Ali al-Dahwi.

MTC Atheer has a market share of between 30 percent and 40 percent in a country where a conflict pitting insurgents against government troops and U.S.-led forces has taken a huge toll on the civilian population.

"Today we are reaching very close to 1 million subscribers, I think we will achieve that within the next week or so, and I think we are going to exceed 1.5 million by the end of the year," Dahwi told Reuters in an interview.

Dahwi said that would amount to 400 percent growth over the whole of 2005 and that demand for mobile phones had greatly exceeded expectations.
Though all this, MTC Atheer is also creating almost 10,000 direct and indirect jobs for Iraqis and helping put together one badly needed element of a nation's infrastructure that we now take for granted. The mostly unreported construction of Iraq rolls onwards. 🙂

And providing the bad guys with a communications system as well as a means to trigger bombs. If it were me, I'd shut them off until all the bad guys were dead!

 
Originally posted by: Condor
And providing the bad guys with a communications system as well as a means to trigger bombs. If it were me, I'd shut them off until all the bad guys were dead!
By then we'll all have telepathic implants in our brains.
 
Was all of the installation done by US Corporations? Were there any competent Iraqi Corporations that could have provided this service?
 
Originally posted by: YoshiSato
Originally posted by: conjur
*could*


I hope it does.

Going from 1 to 5 cell phone users would be a 400% increase.

And so would going from 1 million cell phone users to 5 million cell phone users like the article says. I'm not really seeing your point.
 
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: yllus
Iraq mobile phone use could grow 400 pct in 2005
DUBAI (Reuters) - The number of mobile phone subscribers in Iraq could grow by 400 percent to about 5 million by the end of 2005, a leading telecommunications operator in the strife-torn country said on Sunday.

But MTC Atheer, a joint venture between Kuwait's Mobile Telecommunications Co and Iraq's Atheer Telecom, will not make profits until at least 2007 because Iraqi phone bills are still fairly small, said the firm's Chief Executive Ali al-Dahwi.

MTC Atheer has a market share of between 30 percent and 40 percent in a country where a conflict pitting insurgents against government troops and U.S.-led forces has taken a huge toll on the civilian population.

"Today we are reaching very close to 1 million subscribers, I think we will achieve that within the next week or so, and I think we are going to exceed 1.5 million by the end of the year," Dahwi told Reuters in an interview.

Dahwi said that would amount to 400 percent growth over the whole of 2005 and that demand for mobile phones had greatly exceeded expectations.
Though all this, MTC Atheer is also creating almost 10,000 direct and indirect jobs for Iraqis and helping put together one badly needed element of a nation's infrastructure that we now take for granted. The mostly unreported construction of Iraq rolls onwards. 🙂

And providing the bad guys with a communications system as well as a means to trigger bombs. If it were me, I'd shut them off until all the bad guys were dead!

That seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Communications systems are vital to the growth of any modern country, and while shutting down the cell network would hamstring that growth for the good guys, the bad guys would almost certainly just use something else.

The concept of shutting down a communication network for an area to prevent terrorist attacks has been proposed many times (in the US it has been suggested as a response to a future 9/11), and the problem with doing so always remains the same...it's movie plot security. It is designed to stop a specific attack that the bad guys could just avoid using, while at the same time causing all sorts of negative consequences of its own (like they never show in movie plots...).

Think like a terrorist for a second. I shut off your cell phone, how difficult is it for you to still communicate with your buddies and set off remote bombs? Maybe it takes a little skull sweat, and the result isn't quite ideal. So super, I managed to slightly annoy you while destroying what is obviously an important part of a recovering country. Doesn't seem like a good tradeoff.
 
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: dahunan
Was all of the installation done by US Corporations? Were there any competent Iraqi Corporations that could have provided this service?

Did you actually read the post?

😱 oops.. nope.. I just remembered in the beginning that the US had planned to give contracts to US Corps.. I am very happy to know that these contracts went to capable ME corps.. it shows more goodwill on our part.
 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: yllus
Iraq mobile phone use could grow 400 pct in 2005
DUBAI (Reuters) - The number of mobile phone subscribers in Iraq could grow by 400 percent to about 5 million by the end of 2005, a leading telecommunications operator in the strife-torn country said on Sunday.

But MTC Atheer, a joint venture between Kuwait's Mobile Telecommunications Co and Iraq's Atheer Telecom, will not make profits until at least 2007 because Iraqi phone bills are still fairly small, said the firm's Chief Executive Ali al-Dahwi.

MTC Atheer has a market share of between 30 percent and 40 percent in a country where a conflict pitting insurgents against government troops and U.S.-led forces has taken a huge toll on the civilian population.

"Today we are reaching very close to 1 million subscribers, I think we will achieve that within the next week or so, and I think we are going to exceed 1.5 million by the end of the year," Dahwi told Reuters in an interview.

Dahwi said that would amount to 400 percent growth over the whole of 2005 and that demand for mobile phones had greatly exceeded expectations.
Though all this, MTC Atheer is also creating almost 10,000 direct and indirect jobs for Iraqis and helping put together one badly needed element of a nation's infrastructure that we now take for granted. The mostly unreported construction of Iraq rolls onwards. 🙂

And providing the bad guys with a communications system as well as a means to trigger bombs. If it were me, I'd shut them off until all the bad guys were dead!

That seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Communications systems are vital to the growth of any modern country, and while shutting down the cell network would hamstring that growth for the good guys, the bad guys would almost certainly just use something else.

The concept of shutting down a communication network for an area to prevent terrorist attacks has been proposed many times (in the US it has been suggested as a response to a future 9/11), and the problem with doing so always remains the same...it's movie plot security. It is designed to stop a specific attack that the bad guys could just avoid using, while at the same time causing all sorts of negative consequences of its own (like they never show in movie plots...).

Think like a terrorist for a second. I shut off your cell phone, how difficult is it for you to still communicate with your buddies and set off remote bombs? Maybe it takes a little skull sweat, and the result isn't quite ideal. So super, I managed to slightly annoy you while destroying what is obviously an important part of a recovering country. Doesn't seem like a good tradeoff.

Shutting them down would work a little better than that. If you shut them down, you force the enemy to use their own networks and you also produce a flat rf base where any new transmitters would stand out. If the rf noise were quitened, we could target a transmitter immediately. As it stands, they just function under the cover of a very busy commercial network. Another solkution would to use jamming ahead of our convoys. That is actually being used to good effect.

 
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: dahunan
Was all of the installation done by US Corporations? Were there any competent Iraqi Corporations that could have provided this service?

Did you actually read the post?

😱 oops.. nope.. I just remembered in the beginning that the US had planned to give contracts to US Corps.. I am very happy to know that these contracts went to capable ME corps.. it shows more goodwill on our part.

God! Good answer. I can respect that! 😉

 
Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
Originally posted by: YoshiSato
Originally posted by: conjur
*could*


I hope it does.

Going from 1 to 5 cell phone users would be a 400% increase.

And so would going from 1 million cell phone users to 5 million cell phone users like the article says. I'm not really seeing your point.

It's just another way for him to say "I'm ignorant, and didn't read the article."
 
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: yllus
Iraq mobile phone use could grow 400 pct in 2005
DUBAI (Reuters) - The number of mobile phone subscribers in Iraq could grow by 400 percent to about 5 million by the end of 2005, a leading telecommunications operator in the strife-torn country said on Sunday.

But MTC Atheer, a joint venture between Kuwait's Mobile Telecommunications Co and Iraq's Atheer Telecom, will not make profits until at least 2007 because Iraqi phone bills are still fairly small, said the firm's Chief Executive Ali al-Dahwi.

MTC Atheer has a market share of between 30 percent and 40 percent in a country where a conflict pitting insurgents against government troops and U.S.-led forces has taken a huge toll on the civilian population.

"Today we are reaching very close to 1 million subscribers, I think we will achieve that within the next week or so, and I think we are going to exceed 1.5 million by the end of the year," Dahwi told Reuters in an interview.

Dahwi said that would amount to 400 percent growth over the whole of 2005 and that demand for mobile phones had greatly exceeded expectations.
Though all this, MTC Atheer is also creating almost 10,000 direct and indirect jobs for Iraqis and helping put together one badly needed element of a nation's infrastructure that we now take for granted. The mostly unreported construction of Iraq rolls onwards. 🙂

And providing the bad guys with a communications system as well as a means to trigger bombs. If it were me, I'd shut them off until all the bad guys were dead!

If you haven't noticed, there is an endless supply of the bad guys. Saudi Arabian mosques are still preaching jihad in Iraq. Syria's border is a fine example of how to not seal a border from foreign insurgents.

Back in May of 2003, Rush LImbaugh was extolling the new economy of Iraq. He was amazed at the number of TV satellite dishes being sold. Well, they ain't watfchin much TV in Iraq without electricity.

Had the US not invaded Iraq, the cell phone issue would never have occurred.

 
I find it kind of weird that we're bragging about cell phone subscriptions when most of Iraq doesn't even have electricity for more than a handful of hours a day. But hey, that's just me.
 
Who says that most of Iraq only has electricity for a "handful of hours a day"? There's certainly a shortage and a pronounced one in some areas, but I sort of doubt a third party private organization is boasting of phantom subscribers.
 
Originally posted by: yllus
Who says that most of Iraq only has electricity for a "handful of hours a day"? There's certainly a shortage and a pronounced one in some areas, but I sort of doubt a third party private organization is boasting of phantom subscribers.

These guys say so!

As of late May, the Corps anticipated that 59 of the 66 RIE projects expected to help meet the goal would be completed by June 30. However, electrical service in the country as a whole has not shown a marked improvement over the immediate postwar levels of May 2003 and has worsened in some governorates. RIE contractors report numerous instances of project delays due to difficulties in getting employees and materials safely to project sites. Further, the security environment continues to affect the cost of rebuilding the power sector."

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Originally posted by: TRUMPHENT
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: yllus
Iraq mobile phone use could grow 400 pct in 2005
DUBAI (Reuters) - The number of mobile phone subscribers in Iraq could grow by 400 percent to about 5 million by the end of 2005, a leading telecommunications operator in the strife-torn country said on Sunday.

But MTC Atheer, a joint venture between Kuwait's Mobile Telecommunications Co and Iraq's Atheer Telecom, will not make profits until at least 2007 because Iraqi phone bills are still fairly small, said the firm's Chief Executive Ali al-Dahwi.

MTC Atheer has a market share of between 30 percent and 40 percent in a country where a conflict pitting insurgents against government troops and U.S.-led forces has taken a huge toll on the civilian population.

"Today we are reaching very close to 1 million subscribers, I think we will achieve that within the next week or so, and I think we are going to exceed 1.5 million by the end of the year," Dahwi told Reuters in an interview.

Dahwi said that would amount to 400 percent growth over the whole of 2005 and that demand for mobile phones had greatly exceeded expectations.
Though all this, MTC Atheer is also creating almost 10,000 direct and indirect jobs for Iraqis and helping put together one badly needed element of a nation's infrastructure that we now take for granted. The mostly unreported construction of Iraq rolls onwards. 🙂

And providing the bad guys with a communications system as well as a means to trigger bombs. If it were me, I'd shut them off until all the bad guys were dead!

If you haven't noticed, there is an endless supply of the bad guys. Saudi Arabian mosques are still preaching jihad in Iraq. Syria's border is a fine example of how to not seal a border from foreign insurgents.

Back in May of 2003, Rush LImbaugh was extolling the new economy of Iraq. He was amazed at the number of TV satellite dishes being sold. Well, they ain't watfchin much TV in Iraq without electricity.

Had the US not invaded Iraq, the cell phone issue would never have occurred.

Oh, yes. It would have! It would have in places like San Francisco, Bonn, Viennia, New York City, Chicage, etc. Bush has built a much better mouse trap and while the infection is huge, they are disappearing one by one.

 
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: TRUMPHENT
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: yllus
Iraq mobile phone use could grow 400 pct in 2005
DUBAI (Reuters) - The number of mobile phone subscribers in Iraq could grow by 400 percent to about 5 million by the end of 2005, a leading telecommunications operator in the strife-torn country said on Sunday.

But MTC Atheer, a joint venture between Kuwait's Mobile Telecommunications Co and Iraq's Atheer Telecom, will not make profits until at least 2007 because Iraqi phone bills are still fairly small, said the firm's Chief Executive Ali al-Dahwi.

MTC Atheer has a market share of between 30 percent and 40 percent in a country where a conflict pitting insurgents against government troops and U.S.-led forces has taken a huge toll on the civilian population.

"Today we are reaching very close to 1 million subscribers, I think we will achieve that within the next week or so, and I think we are going to exceed 1.5 million by the end of the year," Dahwi told Reuters in an interview.

Dahwi said that would amount to 400 percent growth over the whole of 2005 and that demand for mobile phones had greatly exceeded expectations.
Though all this, MTC Atheer is also creating almost 10,000 direct and indirect jobs for Iraqis and helping put together one badly needed element of a nation's infrastructure that we now take for granted. The mostly unreported construction of Iraq rolls onwards. 🙂

And providing the bad guys with a communications system as well as a means to trigger bombs. If it were me, I'd shut them off until all the bad guys were dead!

If you haven't noticed, there is an endless supply of the bad guys. Saudi Arabian mosques are still preaching jihad in Iraq. Syria's border is a fine example of how to not seal a border from foreign insurgents.

Back in May of 2003, Rush LImbaugh was extolling the new economy of Iraq. He was amazed at the number of TV satellite dishes being sold. Well, they ain't watfchin much TV in Iraq without electricity.

Had the US not invaded Iraq, the cell phone issue would never have occurred.

Oh, yes. It would have! It would have in places like San Francisco, Bonn, Viennia, New York City, Chicage, etc. Bush has built a much better mouse trap and while the infection is huge, they are disappearing one by one.

The CIA is of the opinion that Iraq is training more experienced terrorists than Afghanistan ever did.

"By Reuters | June 23, 2005

WASHINGTON -- The CIA believes the Iraq insurgency poses an international threat and may produce better-trained Islamic terrorists than the 1980s Afghanistan war that gave rise to Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda, officials said yesterday."
Text

There is no telling how many students have matriculated through the Abu Musab al Zarqawi college. Iraq isn't only a training ground, it is also a laboratory for developing new tactics and weapons.

Marine General Sattler claimed that the battle of Fallujah broke the back of the insurgency. Why are we fighting in Al Tafar?

Bush and neocon cronies built a broken mouse trap that was defective and out of warranty on the day of purchase.

 
Originally posted by: TRUMPHENT
Originally posted by: yllus
Who says that most of Iraq only has electricity for a "handful of hours a day"? There's certainly a shortage and a pronounced one in some areas, but I sort of doubt a third party private organization is boasting of phantom subscribers.
These guys say so!

As of late May, the Corps anticipated that 59 of the 66 RIE projects expected to help meet the goal would be completed by June 30. However, electrical service in the country as a whole has not shown a marked improvement over the immediate postwar levels of May 2003 and has worsened in some governorates. RIE contractors report numerous instances of project delays due to difficulties in getting employees and materials safely to project sites. Further, the security environment continues to affect the cost of rebuilding the power sector."
Ah, a report dated June 28, 2004 that says the electrical system has mostly stayed status quo and worsened in some areas. What a sturdy basis for the aforementioned claim!
 
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