Iraq militia stone youths to death for "emo" style

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At least 14 youths have been stoned to death in Baghdad in the past three weeks in what appears to be a campaign by Shi'ite militants against youths wearing Western-style "emo" clothes and haircuts, security and hospital sources say.
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I'm so glad we spent billions of dollars and thousands of American lives 'liberating' this country.
 
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According to this other yahoo news article this is being done because the Islamist militias believe that they any anyone else who dresses differently are homosexuals.

http://news.yahoo.com/iraqi-gays-under-threat-amid-brutal-killings-081058586.html

Iraqi teenagers widely perceived to be gay are being brutally killed in Baghdad with Shiite militias distributing lists of targets warning of further assaults, officials and human rights groups say. At least 15 teenagers, described as "emos" for their tight-fitting black clothes and alternative hairstyles, have been stoned, beaten to death or shot dead in the past month, medics say.
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Doesn't look like those groups work for the government thought, hopefully the Iraqis can get that under control. I'm not super optimistic though, it's silly to think the only thing holding Iraq back from western style democracy was Saddam.
 
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Rainsford said:
Doesn't look like those groups work for the government thought, hopefully the Iraqis can get that under control. I'm not super optimistic though, it's silly to think the only thing holding Iraq back from western style democracy was Saddam.
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Saddam kept the loonies in check atleast. Iraq was better off with him.
 
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And people wonder why the skepticism towards Islam is increasing :rolleyes:

Not saying all muslims are gay-killing barbarians.
 
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I'm happy to see that the front page has one mention of an American doing something horrible in a Muslim country and one mention of Muslims doing something horrible in a Muslim country. The good part about this is that in the esteemed calculation of ATPM, the correct answer to both circumstances is 'Fuck Muslims'.
 
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The Iraqis will get this under control. The militias played their part, and now their leaders are unwilling to give up power when they're no longer needed.
 
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eskimospy said:
I'm happy to see that the front page has one mention of an American doing something horrible in a Muslim country and one mention of Muslims doing something horrible in a Muslim country. The good part about this is that in the esteemed calculation of ATPM, the correct answer to both circumstances is 'Fuck Muslims'.
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Where do you get that answer?
 
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peonyu said:
Saddam's Iraq was better than the fail democracy we brought to them.
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Tell that to the gassed Kurdish villages and the shiite majority who had no rights, but were instead subject to the sadistic whim of the Saddam sons.

But yeah, other than the mass deaths, the terror, the subjugation, and the second/third rate citizenship status, things were better than...
 
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cybrsage said:
Tell that to the gassed Kurdish villages and the shiite majority who had no rights, but were instead subject to the sadistic whim of the Saddam sons.

But yeah, other than the mass deaths, the terror, the subjugation, and the second/third rate citizenship status, things were better than...
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Compare that to the 1 Million Killed, 4.5 Million Displaced, 1-2 Million Widows, and 5 Million Orphans since our troops stepped foot in their country. Saddam's atrocities pale compared to our direct and indirect destruction of their country.

Also mass deaths are common in Iraq to this day. Terror ? Non-Muslims and Muslims who dont conform to the Muslim "standard" are killed all the time there. 3rd rate citizens ? Sunni's say hi to you.
 
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peonyu said:
Compare that to the 1 Million Killed, 4.5 Million Displaced, 1-2 Million Widows, and 5 Million Orphans since our troops stepped foot in their country. Saddam's atrocities pale compared to our direct and indirect destruction of their country.

Also mass deaths are common in Iraq to this day. Terror ? Non-Muslims and Muslims who dont conform to the Muslim "standard" are killed all the time there. 3rd rate citizens ? Sunni's say hi to you.
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I think things are better today in Iraq than they have been in a long time. Particularly for the Kurds in the North.
 
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Nebor said:
I think things are better today in Iraq than they have been in a long time. Particularly for the Kurds in the North.
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That's an easy thing to say once you decide to ignore the implicit costs.
 
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Nebor said:
Fixed. The dead aren't coming back, and things are good for a lot of Iraqis now.
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The distinction between sunk and future costs only matters if one is considering a current choice about the future actions. Nobody is proposing reinstalling a Saddam-like regime today. At issue is whether the gains were worth it or not. For that evaluation the sunk costs are not irrelevant.
 
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nonlnear said:
The distinction between sunk and future costs only matters if one is considering a current choice about the future actions. Nobody is proposing reinstalling a Saddam-like regime today. At issue is whether the gains were worth it or not. For that evaluation the sunk costs are not irrelevant.
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Ah, I viewed the discussion in the context of considering another such endeavor in Iran or Syria. In other words, regardless of the total costs, I feel the Iraq endeavor was worthwhile. Our lives and blood have given them something that will hopefully last for many lifetimes. I believe Iran has even greater potential to become a progressive, Western-style democracy with the guidance of the US military & state department.
 
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Nebor said:
Ah, I viewed the discussion in the context of considering another such endeavor in Iran or Syria. In other words, regardless of the total costs, I feel the Iraq endeavor was worthwhile. Our lives and blood have given them something that will hopefully last for many lifetimes. I believe Iran has even greater potential to become a progressive, Western-style democracy with the guidance of the US military & state department.
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Wow.

Please tell me you are joking.
 
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nonlnear said:
Wow.

Please tell me you are joking.
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The Iranian youth like Western culture and values. Iran was once on the path to a progressive democracy, but it was squashed by radical Islam. The youth have been on the precipice of an uprising for years. I doubt they would greet us as warmly initially as the Iraqis did, but eventually they'd be better off for it.
 
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