Iraq Has Already Failed To Meet Its Obligations In Security Council Resolution 1441

Ornery

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
20,022
17
81
Security Council resolution 1441

Inspectors to Issue Tough Iraq Report
  • ....Despite assurances from Iraq that it would encourage its scientists to submit to private interviews, no such interviews have taken place and Baghdad continues to block inspectors from using a U-2 reconnaissance plane that could be helpful in the hunt for weapons of mass destruction.

    In addition, U.N. teams found thousands of pertinent documents hidden in the home of an Iraqi scientist, at least 16 empty and undeclared chemical warheads and illegally imported parts for its missile program...

    Iraq's 12,000-page arms declaration has been of little help. Two weeks after he received the dossier in December, Blix slammed the Iraqis for submitting a report filled with inconsistencies, contradictions and old material.
What a colossal waste of time!
 

tm37

Lifer
Jan 24, 2001
12,436
1
0
OK who didn't see this coming.

I thought Saddam had turned over a new leaf;)
 

Queasy

Moderator<br>Console Gaming
Aug 24, 2001
31,796
2
0
Iraq just needs more time! Clearly these scientists were intimidated by the imperialist forces of the United States! The geopolitical consequences of Iraq are miniscule in comparison to what Israel is doing to the Palestines. They have forced poor Palestinian children to blow up themselves and their donkeys! Besides, the U.S. only wants to assert its dominance in the region and steal all the Iraqi oil and blow up all the innocent civilians so they don't have to be dealt with after the regime change. Plus....endless anti-war babble.
 

Corn

Diamond Member
Nov 12, 1999
6,389
29
91
Iraq just needs more time! Clearly these scientists were intimidated by the imperialist forces of the United States! The geopolitical consequences of Iraq are miniscule in comparison to what Israel is doing to the Palestines. They have forced poor Palestinian children to blow up themselves and their donkeys! Besides, the U.S. only wants to assert its dominance in the region and steal all the Iraqi oil and blow up all the innocent civilians so they don't have to be dealt with after the regime change. Plus....endless anti-war babble.

LOL, that is classic!
 

Miramonti

Lifer
Aug 26, 2000
28,651
100
91
Scientists have chosen to not meet with the UN by themselves on their own accord. Show proof that Iraq is preventing it.
 

Queasy

Moderator<br>Console Gaming
Aug 24, 2001
31,796
2
0
Originally posted by: jjsole
Scientists have chosen to not meet with the UN by themselves on their own accord. Show proof that Iraq is preventing it.

The reason the scientists have voluntarily chosen not to meet with UN inspectors is because the Iraqi dictatorship has a history of torturing and killing FAMILY MEMBERS of those who do anything contrary to the wishes of said Iraqi dictatorship.

 

guyver01

Lifer
Sep 25, 2000
22,135
5
61
Originally posted by: jjsole
Scientists have chosen to not meet with the UN by themselves on their own accord. Show proof that Iraq is preventing it.

rolleye.gif


there is no proof because it is being done subversively.

Do you really think Iraq is gonna have a 'memo' out there that says

To: Scientists
Re: UN Interviews
Do them and die
From: Saddam
 

Miramonti

Lifer
Aug 26, 2000
28,651
100
91
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: jjsole Scientists have chosen to not meet with the UN by themselves on their own accord. Show proof that Iraq is preventing it.
The reason the scientists have voluntarily chosen not to meet with UN inspectors is because the Iraqi dictatorship has a history of torturing and killing FAMILY MEMBERS of those who do anything contrary to the wishes of said Iraqi dictatorship.
Get some proof. Bush claims they have new wmd's and wmd programs, and is a cause for war, get some proof!

Quit whining about why they don't have proof and put up or shut up.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
55,420
1,599
126
Originally posted by: guyver01
Originally posted by: jjsole
Scientists have chosen to not meet with the UN by themselves on their own accord. Show proof that Iraq is preventing it.

rolleye.gif


there is no proof because it is being done subversively.

Do you really think Iraq is gonna have a 'memo' out there that says

To: Scientists
Re: UN Interviews
Do them and die
From: Saddam

hahahh

 

etech

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
10,597
0
0
Originally posted by: jjsole
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: jjsole Scientists have chosen to not meet with the UN by themselves on their own accord. Show proof that Iraq is preventing it.
The reason the scientists have voluntarily chosen not to meet with UN inspectors is because the Iraqi dictatorship has a history of torturing and killing FAMILY MEMBERS of those who do anything contrary to the wishes of said Iraqi dictatorship.
Get some proof. Bush claims they have new wmd's and wmd programs, and is a cause for war, <STRONG>get some proof!</STRONG>

Quit whining about why they don't have proof and put up or shut up.


Read UN Resolution 1441. It is up to the Iraqis to show that they have disarmed. The burden of proof and cooperation is, after twelve years of lies and deception on their part, now up to them.


 

Miramonti

Lifer
Aug 26, 2000
28,651
100
91
Bush said intelligence showed they had a nuclear program. Where's the proof?

Iraq said it was a bunch of lies. And it looks like Iraq is right. There's absolutely no proof of a nuclear program. You make statements like this you better be able to back it up.
 

ChrisIsBored

Diamond Member
Nov 30, 2000
3,400
1
71
Originally posted by: jjsole
Bush said intelligence showed they had a nuclear program. Where's the proof?

Iraq said it was a bunch of lies. And it looks like Iraq is right. There's absolutely no proof of a nuclear program. You make statements like this you better be able to back it up.

you.... are.... stupid....

:)
 

SherEPunjab

Diamond Member
Oct 23, 2002
3,841
0
0
Once again guys, there is NO legal justification for a war with Iraq at this stage.

Iraq is currently in violation of part of one section of UN Security Council Resolution 687 (and a series of subsequent resolutions reiterating that segment) requiring full cooperation with United Nations inspectors ensuring that Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, delivery systems, and facilities for manufacturing such weapons are destroyed. The conflict regarding access for UN inspectors and possible Iraqi procurement of weapons of mass destruction has always been an issue involving the Iraqi government and the United Nations, not an impasse between Iraq and the United States. Although UN Security Council Resolution 687 was the most detailed in the world body's history, no military enforcement mechanisms were specified. Nor did the Security Council specify any military enforcement mechanisms in subsequent resolutions. As is normally the case when it is determined that governments violate all or part of UN resolutions, any decision about the enforcement of its resolutions is a matter for the UN Security Council as a whole ? not for any one member of the council.


The most explicit warning to Iraq regarding its noncompliance came in UN Security Council Resolution 1154. Although this resolution warned Iraq of the "severest consequences" if it continued its refusal to comply, the Security Council declared that it alone had the authority to "ensure implementation of this resolution and peace and security in the area."


According to articles 41 and 42 of the United Nations Charter, no member state has the right to enforce any resolution militarily unless the UN Security Council determines that there has been a material breach of its resolution, decides that all nonmilitary means of enforcement have been exhausted, and then specifically authorizes the use of military force. This is what the Security Council did in November 1990 with Resolution 678 in response to Iraq's ongoing occupation of Kuwait in violation of a series of resolutions passed that August. The UN has not done so for any subsequent violations involving Iraq or any other government.


If the United States can unilaterally claim the right to invade Iraq due to that country's violation of UN Security Council resolutions, other Security Council members could logically also claim the right to invade other member states that are in violation of UN Security Council resolutions. For example, Russia could claim the right to invade Israel, France could claim the right to invade Turkey, and Great Britain could claim the right to invade Morocco, simply because those targeted governments are also violating UN Security Council resolutions. The U.S. insistence on the right to attack unilaterally could seriously undermine the principle of collective security and the authority of the United Nations and in doing so would open the door to international anarchy.


International law is quite clear about when military force is allowed. In addition to the aforementioned case of UN Security Council authorization, the only other time that any member state is allowed to use armed force is described in Article 51, which states that it is permissible for "individual or collective self-defense" against "armed attack ... until the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to maintain international peace and security." If Iraq's neighbors were attacked or feared an imminent attack from Iraq, any of these countries could call on the United States to help, pending a Security Council decision authorizing the use of force. But they have not appealed to the Security Council, because they have not felt threatened by Iraq.


Based on evidence that the Bush administration has made public, there does not appear to be anything close to sufficient legal grounds for the United States to convince the Security Council to approve the use of military force against Iraq in U.S. self-defense. This may explain why the Bush administration has thus far refused to go before the United Nations on this matter. Unless the United States gets such authorization, any such attack on Iraq would be illegal and would be viewed by most members of the international community as an act of aggression. In contrast to the Persian Gulf War of 1990-91, it is likely that the world community would view the United States ? not Iraq ? as the international outlaw.
 

Red Dawn

Elite Member
Jun 4, 2001
57,529
3
0
Once again guys, there is NO legal justification for a war with Iraq at this stage.
Justification? What Justification? We don't need no steenkin Justification!
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
74,138
6,617
126
Any reason's a good reason when you can't state your real reason, new American imperialism.
 

alexruiz

Platinum Member
Sep 21, 2001
2,836
556
126
There is no reason to attack them..... The evidence is known by Bush only. Remember, Hitler was also the only one who had the evidence the Jewish were bad for the world..... Acting in a posture of "I have the evidence, I know it" WITHOUT sharing it with allies and the rest of the world puts bush in the same category as Hitler..... but I guess he has already been catalogued in such way ;)

Solid evidence??? Show it!!! No stinking excuses of "Is to protect the sources...." Or is more important to be protect a few persons rather than save thousands of lives...???? If that is the case, then his moral principles are warped. Your call.
 

SlowSS

Golden Member
Nov 28, 2002
1,573
1
0
Originally posted by: SherEPunjab
Once again guys, there is NO legal justification for a war with Iraq at this stage.

Iraq is currently in violation of part of one section of UN Security Council Resolution 687 (and a series of subsequent resolutions reiterating that segment) requiring full cooperation with United Nations inspectors ensuring that Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, delivery systems, and facilities for manufacturing such weapons are destroyed. The conflict regarding access for UN inspectors and possible Iraqi procurement of weapons of mass destruction has always been an issue involving the Iraqi government and the United Nations, not an impasse between Iraq and the United States. Although UN Security Council Resolution 687 was the most detailed in the world body's history, no military enforcement mechanisms were specified. Nor did the Security Council specify any military enforcement mechanisms in subsequent resolutions. As is normally the case when it is determined that governments violate all or part of UN resolutions, any decision about the enforcement of its resolutions is a matter for the UN Security Council as a whole ? not for any one member of the council.


The most explicit warning to Iraq regarding its noncompliance came in UN Security Council Resolution 1154. Although this resolution warned Iraq of the "severest consequences" if it continued its refusal to comply, the Security Council declared that it alone had the authority to "ensure implementation of this resolution and peace and security in the area."


According to articles 41 and 42 of the United Nations Charter, no member state has the right to enforce any resolution militarily unless the UN Security Council determines that there has been a material breach of its resolution, decides that all nonmilitary means of enforcement have been exhausted, and then specifically authorizes the use of military force. This is what the Security Council did in November 1990 with Resolution 678 in response to Iraq's ongoing occupation of Kuwait in violation of a series of resolutions passed that August. The UN has not done so for any subsequent violations involving Iraq or any other government.


If the United States can unilaterally claim the right to invade Iraq due to that country's violation of UN Security Council resolutions, other Security Council members could logically also claim the right to invade other member states that are in violation of UN Security Council resolutions. For example, Russia could claim the right to invade Israel, France could claim the right to invade Turkey, and Great Britain could claim the right to invade Morocco, simply because those targeted governments are also violating UN Security Council resolutions. The U.S. insistence on the right to attack unilaterally could seriously undermine the principle of collective security and the authority of the United Nations and in doing so would open the door to international anarchy.


International law is quite clear about when military force is allowed. In addition to the aforementioned case of UN Security Council authorization, the only other time that any member state is allowed to use armed force is described in Article 51, which states that it is permissible for "individual or collective self-defense" against "armed attack ... until the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to maintain international peace and security." If Iraq's neighbors were attacked or feared an imminent attack from Iraq, any of these countries could call on the United States to help, pending a Security Council decision authorizing the use of force. But they have not appealed to the Security Council, because they have not felt threatened by Iraq.


Based on evidence that the Bush administration has made public, there does not appear to be anything close to sufficient legal grounds for the United States to convince the Security Council to approve the use of military force against Iraq in U.S. self-defense. This may explain why the Bush administration has thus far refused to go before the United Nations on this matter. Unless the United States gets such authorization, any such attack on Iraq would be illegal and would be viewed by most members of the international community as an act of aggression. In contrast to the Persian Gulf War of 1990-91, it is likely that the world community would view the United States ? not Iraq ? as the international outlaw.

Wonderful, you are very efficient with copy and paste functions.

How about giving a credit to writer of the article. Link

As for Saddam's, he is incapable of cooperating and he will play

cat and mouse game as long as he is allowed to do so by UN.

UN will ask for more time for inspectors to perform their task,

and Saddam will have more time to conceal Weapons of Mass Destruction

and continual development of Nuke and WoMD.