Iraq debate heating up -Bush calls for esclation with 20k more troops

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: ntdz
This is just a theoretical question...can Bush have the Pentagon divert funds from other projects to Iraq if the Democrats cut off funding?

I think it depends on how the bill to cut off funding is worded, plus we are talking about a lot of money here. The Pentagon can't just scrounge up 8 billion a month or whatever the hell it's up to now, that's a lot of jack.

 

[boredhokie]

Unless they nuke Israel, there is no way the US would ever invade Iran. For one, they finance our debt (hmm, borrowing money from Iran and China to help spread democracy?), but they also happen to have a lot of oil, and nukes.

The US, as headed by the current bunch of crooks and pedophiles, can't really conquer much else than the dessert bar at Golden Corral.

 

[Drift3r]

I can't believe people are advocating to further sink our foot into the giant camel turd in the desert we have stepped into known as Iraq. The only sane solution is to pull out. More troops will just escalate the violence level on every front and further cement the hatred in the hearts of Iraqis against the U.S. You don't fix huge mistakes by trying to create a even larger mistake. Iraq is screwed period and people failed to realize who and what Saddam really was and stood for in Iraq. He was the glue that held that cobbled up nation of rival ethnic groups together. We have removed that glue only to find out that the country is now falling apart into a million little pieces.

If you put more soldiers on the ground we'll end up killing more Iraqis then Saddam ( not to mention losing a lot more of our own people ) and be 100x more hated then a native born Sunni dictator from northern Iraq known as Saddam. The only logical and sane solution is to pull out and learn from this giant mistake and never allow any president or political party to get us involved in a nation building field trip into hostile regions of the world. "Staying the course" or escalating the situation is nothing more then a ego driven based solution of not wanting to lose by any means which will almost always blow up in our faces. We've proven that we can destroy nations but we have also proven that we have no clue how to rebuild a nation in a hostile region of the world. We are not and shall never be the British Empire so lets stop with this bullshit because even the British knew when to call it quits.

 

[KlokWyze]

Originally posted by: Drift3rWe are not and shall never be the British Empire so lets stop with this bullshit because even the British knew when to call it quits.

Yes, but don't the British still hold majority influence in host countries of their old colonies? That is the point, invade the country and establish a permanent presence to control/divert the wealth. They "called it quits" after they accomplished what they wanted too.

The reason the initial ground "victory" in Iraq was so swift was because the national army didn't even put up a fight AND our military wasn't already stretched thin. Would the Iranian army be pushovers?

The fact is: American (and other countries) troops are NOT leaving in the next 1 to 3 decades.

All of use here will hear is nothing but countless debate on when and how to leave without a honest, moral and competent resolution ever occuring. THATS THE ****** POINT.

I am curious to see if and when the American empire spread to Iran though. Certainly wouldn't be a ground war....