Iraq: Call an air strike

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Iraq: Call an air strike

By Pepe Escobar
"... the literature on counter-insurgency is so enormous that, had it been put aboard the Titanic, it would have sunk that ship without any help from the iceberg. However, the outstanding fact is that almost all of it has been written by the losers." - Martin van Creveld, in The Changing Face Of War, 2006

11/09/07 Asia Times -- -- Amid the George W Bush administration's relentless campaign to "change the subject" from Iraq to Iran, how to "win" the war against the Iraqi resistance, Sunni or Shi'ite, now means - according to counter-insurgency messiah General David Petraeus - calling an air strike.

On a parallel level, the Pentagon has practically finished a base in southern Iraq less than 10 kilometers from the border with Iran called Combat Outpost Shocker. The Pentagon maintains this is for the US to prevent Iranian weapons from being smuggled into Iraq. Rather, it's to control a rash of US covert, sabotage operations across the border targeting Iran's Khuzestan province.

With the looming Turkish threat of invading Iraqi Kurdistan and President General President Musharraf's new "let's jail all the lawyers" coup within a coup in Pakistan, the bloody war in the plains of Mesopotamia is lower down in the news cycle - not to mention the interminable 2008 US presidential soap opera. Rosy spinning, though, still rules unchecked.

The Pentagon - via Major General Joseph Fil, commander of US forces in Baghdad - is relentlessly spinning there's now less violence in the capital, a "sustainable" trend. This is rubbish.

Fil cannot even admit to the basic fact that Baghdad has been reduced to a collection of blast-walled, isolated ghettos in search of a city. Baghdad, from being 65% Sunni, is now at least 75% Shi'ite, and counting. Sunni and Shi'ite residents alike confirm sectarian violence has died down because there are virtually no more neighborhoods to be ethnically cleansed.

When Fil says the Iraqi forces are "much, much more effective", what he means is they are much more ferocious. Terrified middle class, secular Shi'ite residents have told Asia Times Online these guards - Shi'ites themselves - roaming Baghdad with their machine guns pointing to the sidewalks are "worse than the Americans".

Violence has also (relatively) decreased because the bulk of Muqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army is still lying low, following his strict orders, even though they are being targeted by constant US air strikes on Sadr City.

The falling numbers of US deaths have also been subjected to merciless spinning. Yet already more US troops have been killed in Iraq in 2007 than in all of 2006. This temporary fall is not caused by a burst of Sunni Iraqi resistance good will - even though an array of groups has taken some time out to concentrate forces in these past few months on unifying their struggle (See It's the resistance, stupid Asia Times Online, October 17, 2007.)

Once again, Baghdad residents, who daily have to negotiate life in hell, reveal what's going on. Lately, as a Shi'ite businessman says, "We have not seen the Americans. They used to come to my neighborhood almost every day at night, with Humvees and Bradleys. They stopped at the end of September." This means less US-conducted dangerous "missions" in the Baghdad wasteland - with less exposure to snipers and improvised explosive devices (IEDs) - and more time spent in ultra-fortified bases.

The Pentagon even had to admit that sniper attacks, conducted by real pros, have quadrupled during the past year and could "potentially inflict even more casualties than IEDs". The US Department of Defense's Defense Advance Research Projects Agency had to rush a program using lasers to identify snipers before they shoot.

Anyway, whenever there is a mission in Baghdad now it inevitably means an air strike. Mega-slum Sadr City residents confirm the US keeps attacking alleged Mahdi Army "terrorist" haunts - but mostly from the air.

With the US corporate media operating virtually like a Pentagon information agency, the only news fit to print is that as of early this week there were 3,855 American dead in Iraq. But most of all - and never mentioned - there were 28,451 wounded in combat. And as of October 1, there were no less than 30,294 military victims of accidents and diseases so serious they had to be medically sent out of Iraq.

When in doubt, 'liberate' from the air
Brigadier General Qasim Atta, spokesman for the Baghdad security plan, revealed this week Iraq's security forces have set up 250 spy cameras across Baghdad - presumably to track the Sunni resistance, the Mahdi Army and remaining al-Qaeda in the Land of the Two Rivers operatives. Atta has argued "the terrorists are now forced to resort to kidnappings and planting roadside bombs because our security plan is working". That's more rubbish.

Kidnapping is an established industry in Baghdad; with the exodus of the middle classes to Jordan, Syria and beyond, now there's virtually no one flush enough to be kidnapped. IEDs continue to follow wherever American convoys roam. And since they are not roaming - they stick to base - fewer IEDs are exploding. As for al-Qaeda, it has relocated from Baghdad neighborhoods such as Dora - but it will be back.

With fewer missions on the ground, the Pentagon could not but launch four times more air strikes on Iraqis in 2007 - the year of Bush's "surge" - than in the whole of 2006. Up to the end of September, there had been 1,140 air strikes. Last month, there were more air strikes than during the siege that devastated Fallujah in November 2004.

Even discounting the criminal absurdity of an occupation routinely dropping the bomb on packed neighborhoods of a city it already occupies, civilians are the inevitable "collateral damage" of these attacks - families, women, children, assorted "non-combatants". The US Air Force does not even take responsibility - claiming the air strikes are ordered by scared-to-death convoys of Humvees patrolling, say, the mean streets of Sadr City.

The Pentagon talk of "precision strikes" and "reducing collateral damage" means nothing in this context. This appalling human-rights disaster has to be attributed to counter-insurgency messiah Petraeus, the "loser", according to Martin van Creveld, who wrote the latest book on the matter, The Changing Face Of War.

But for public relations purposes inside the US, Petraeus' "by his book" approach works wonders. The Pentagon can spin to oblivion to a cowered media that US deaths are falling. Who cares what the Nuri al-Maliki "sovereign" Iraqi government says? Maliki is nothing but the mayor of the Green Zone anyway. Who cares what the "fish" - who support the "sea" of the resistance, Sunni or Shi'ite - feel? 80% of them are unemployed anyway - and they merely struggle to survive as second-class citizens in their own land.


There's hardly any electricity, fuel or food in Baghdad - everything is rationed - for anyone who's not aligned with a militia-protected faction. The only other option is to flee. With at least a staggering 4.4 million, according to the United Nations, either refugees or internally displaced, options are dwindling fast. There may be as many as 2 million Iraqi refugees in Syria alone. Damascus, in despair, has tightened its visa rules: only academics and businessmen are now entitled. No less than 14% of the entire Iraqi population has been displaced - courtesy of the Bush administration.

Oh, but the Bush administration is "winning" the war, of course. Counter-insurgency doctrine rules that the enemy must be controlled with social, political, ideological and psychological weapons, and risks have to be taken so civilians can be protected.

The surging Petraeus turned that upside down. Or maybe not - he's just providing his own scholarly follow-up to the indiscriminate bombings of Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia in the 1960s and 1970s. Petraeus, His master's voice, might as well call an air strike over the whole of Mesopotamia and then call it "victory".

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This report paints a different picture than the US spin doesn't it?

"The surging Petraeus turned that upside down. Or maybe not - he's just providing his own scholarly follow-up to the indiscriminate bombings of Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia in the 1960s and 1970s. Petraeus, His master's voice, might as well call an air strike over the whole of Mesopotamia and then call it "victory"."

This echoes the first of JohnOfSheffields' options in the "Iraq is a catastrophe" thread doesn't it.

Every sane person knows that Iraq is an utter and complete catastrophy of epic and historic proportions. TLC can pontificate all he wants about fewer deaths in Iraq, but in the overall context of things going on there that is just another desperate spin to cover the appalling truth.

Too add to the figures of 4.4 million Iraqi refugees the Red Cross came out the other day to say that 375.000 Iraqis are missing.

At the moment it looks like the US is trying JoS approach number 2 and bomb anything that stands in the way. There have been a number of reports lately of women and children killed, together with a number of "gunmen", by Americans dropping bombs.

 

StageLeft

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So to dumb it way way down, there are less deaths now because everybody is already dead.
 

maddogchen

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they'll never believe you. you have to go there and take pictures of the "blast walled, isolated ghettos" and post it here. Also you need to get yourself kidnapped too.

Have fun and hope you survive the kidnapping!
 

chucky2

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After reading that article, I can't help but get the feeling it's a rant by the author. I realize it's not a US news source, so the dialect if you will is going to be different...but I really get the feeling the author wanted to rant, which means there's an agenda going on.

I'll just pick one part as an example on why I don't really trust this article that much as far as overall accuracy: "The Pentagon can spin to oblivion to a cowered media that US deaths are falling.."

A cowered media? Once I saw that, it was really all I needed to know...all we see from this "cowered" media that we have are the doom and gloom stories, we almost never - ever- see any of the positive reports that are there on actual soldier blogs and postings.

Even if some/all of the info in this article is accurate, the tone of the article just shoots down any professionalism, thereby leading one to doubt the article itself.

Chuck
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
So to dumb it way way down, there are less deaths now because everybody is already dead.

Less than 100,000 out of how many million? "Everyone" indeed.....
 
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Originally posted by: GrGr
Iraq: Call an air strike

By Pepe Escobar
"... the literature on counter-insurgency is so enormous that, had it been put aboard the Titanic, it would have sunk that ship without any help from the iceberg. However, the outstanding fact is that almost all of it has been written by the losers." - Martin van Creveld, in The Changing Face Of War, 2006

11/09/07 Asia Times -- -- Amid the George W Bush administration's relentless campaign to "change the subject" from Iraq to Iran, how to "win" the war against the Iraqi resistance, Sunni or Shi'ite, now means - according to counter-insurgency messiah General David Petraeus - calling an air strike.

On a parallel level, the Pentagon has practically finished a base in southern Iraq less than 10 kilometers from the border with Iran called Combat Outpost Shocker. The Pentagon maintains this is for the US to prevent Iranian weapons from being smuggled into Iraq. Rather, it's to control a rash of US covert, sabotage operations across the border targeting Iran's Khuzestan province.

With the looming Turkish threat of invading Iraqi Kurdistan and President General President Musharraf's new "let's jail all the lawyers" coup within a coup in Pakistan, the bloody war in the plains of Mesopotamia is lower down in the news cycle - not to mention the interminable 2008 US presidential soap opera. Rosy spinning, though, still rules unchecked.

The Pentagon - via Major General Joseph Fil, commander of US forces in Baghdad - is relentlessly spinning there's now less violence in the capital, a "sustainable" trend. This is rubbish.

Fil cannot even admit to the basic fact that Baghdad has been reduced to a collection of blast-walled, isolated ghettos in search of a city. Baghdad, from being 65% Sunni, is now at least 75% Shi'ite, and counting. Sunni and Shi'ite residents alike confirm sectarian violence has died down because there are virtually no more neighborhoods to be ethnically cleansed.

When Fil says the Iraqi forces are "much, much more effective", what he means is they are much more ferocious. Terrified middle class, secular Shi'ite residents have told Asia Times Online these guards - Shi'ites themselves - roaming Baghdad with their machine guns pointing to the sidewalks are "worse than the Americans".

Violence has also (relatively) decreased because the bulk of Muqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army is still lying low, following his strict orders, even though they are being targeted by constant US air strikes on Sadr City.

The falling numbers of US deaths have also been subjected to merciless spinning. Yet already more US troops have been killed in Iraq in 2007 than in all of 2006. This temporary fall is not caused by a burst of Sunni Iraqi resistance good will - even though an array of groups has taken some time out to concentrate forces in these past few months on unifying their struggle (See It's the resistance, stupid Asia Times Online, October 17, 2007.)

Once again, Baghdad residents, who daily have to negotiate life in hell, reveal what's going on. Lately, as a Shi'ite businessman says, "We have not seen the Americans. They used to come to my neighborhood almost every day at night, with Humvees and Bradleys. They stopped at the end of September." This means less US-conducted dangerous "missions" in the Baghdad wasteland - with less exposure to snipers and improvised explosive devices (IEDs) - and more time spent in ultra-fortified bases.

The Pentagon even had to admit that sniper attacks, conducted by real pros, have quadrupled during the past year and could "potentially inflict even more casualties than IEDs". The US Department of Defense's Defense Advance Research Projects Agency had to rush a program using lasers to identify snipers before they shoot.

Anyway, whenever there is a mission in Baghdad now it inevitably means an air strike. Mega-slum Sadr City residents confirm the US keeps attacking alleged Mahdi Army "terrorist" haunts - but mostly from the air.

With the US corporate media operating virtually like a Pentagon information agency, the only news fit to print is that as of early this week there were 3,855 American dead in Iraq. But most of all - and never mentioned - there were 28,451 wounded in combat. And as of October 1, there were no less than 30,294 military victims of accidents and diseases so serious they had to be medically sent out of Iraq.

When in doubt, 'liberate' from the air
Brigadier General Qasim Atta, spokesman for the Baghdad security plan, revealed this week Iraq's security forces have set up 250 spy cameras across Baghdad - presumably to track the Sunni resistance, the Mahdi Army and remaining al-Qaeda in the Land of the Two Rivers operatives. Atta has argued "the terrorists are now forced to resort to kidnappings and planting roadside bombs because our security plan is working". That's more rubbish.

Kidnapping is an established industry in Baghdad; with the exodus of the middle classes to Jordan, Syria and beyond, now there's virtually no one flush enough to be kidnapped. IEDs continue to follow wherever American convoys roam. And since they are not roaming - they stick to base - fewer IEDs are exploding. As for al-Qaeda, it has relocated from Baghdad neighborhoods such as Dora - but it will be back.

With fewer missions on the ground, the Pentagon could not but launch four times more air strikes on Iraqis in 2007 - the year of Bush's "surge" - than in the whole of 2006. Up to the end of September, there had been 1,140 air strikes. Last month, there were more air strikes than during the siege that devastated Fallujah in November 2004.

Even discounting the criminal absurdity of an occupation routinely dropping the bomb on packed neighborhoods of a city it already occupies, civilians are the inevitable "collateral damage" of these attacks - families, women, children, assorted "non-combatants". The US Air Force does not even take responsibility - claiming the air strikes are ordered by scared-to-death convoys of Humvees patrolling, say, the mean streets of Sadr City.

The Pentagon talk of "precision strikes" and "reducing collateral damage" means nothing in this context. This appalling human-rights disaster has to be attributed to counter-insurgency messiah Petraeus, the "loser", according to Martin van Creveld, who wrote the latest book on the matter, The Changing Face Of War.

But for public relations purposes inside the US, Petraeus' "by his book" approach works wonders. The Pentagon can spin to oblivion to a cowered media that US deaths are falling. Who cares what the Nuri al-Maliki "sovereign" Iraqi government says? Maliki is nothing but the mayor of the Green Zone anyway. Who cares what the "fish" - who support the "sea" of the resistance, Sunni or Shi'ite - feel? 80% of them are unemployed anyway - and they merely struggle to survive as second-class citizens in their own land.


There's hardly any electricity, fuel or food in Baghdad - everything is rationed - for anyone who's not aligned with a militia-protected faction. The only other option is to flee. With at least a staggering 4.4 million, according to the United Nations, either refugees or internally displaced, options are dwindling fast. There may be as many as 2 million Iraqi refugees in Syria alone. Damascus, in despair, has tightened its visa rules: only academics and businessmen are now entitled. No less than 14% of the entire Iraqi population has been displaced - courtesy of the Bush administration.

Oh, but the Bush administration is "winning" the war, of course. Counter-insurgency doctrine rules that the enemy must be controlled with social, political, ideological and psychological weapons, and risks have to be taken so civilians can be protected.

The surging Petraeus turned that upside down. Or maybe not - he's just providing his own scholarly follow-up to the indiscriminate bombings of Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia in the 1960s and 1970s. Petraeus, His master's voice, might as well call an air strike over the whole of Mesopotamia and then call it "victory".

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This report paints a different picture than the US spin doesn't it?

"The surging Petraeus turned that upside down. Or maybe not - he's just providing his own scholarly follow-up to the indiscriminate bombings of Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia in the 1960s and 1970s. Petraeus, His master's voice, might as well call an air strike over the whole of Mesopotamia and then call it "victory"."

This echoes the first of JohnOfSheffields' options in the "Iraq is a catastrophe" thread doesn't it.

Every sane person knows that Iraq is an utter and complete catastrophy of epic and historic proportions. TLC can pontificate all he wants about fewer deaths in Iraq, but in the overall context of things going on there that is just another desperate spin to cover the appalling truth.

Too add to the figures of 4.4 million Iraqi refugees the Red Cross came out the other day to say that 375.000 Iraqis are missing.

At the moment it looks like the US is trying JoS approach number 2 and bomb anything that stands in the way. There have been a number of reports lately of women and children killed, together with a number of "gunmen", by Americans dropping bombs.

You know, you should be banned for this, you are spouting this out like this is something i condone without telling me about it or even taking it into context.

This is the shit the twirp was afraid to quote but mousy enough to try to rehash.

"1. Engage three times the current force and wipe out all opposition, ALL opposition, all deployed until there is not one enemy standing.

2. Establish a permanent force to deal with the day to day problems while letting the Iraqis themselves handle most of it, a few strike teams to take care of immediate problems and pretty much constant fly overs to detect and observe and on occasion bomb, the strike teams will need air support in the form of choppers and ground support in the form of tanks, all of these should be under the command of the permanent force. "

Note that i'm just stating that these are the choices and that i completely disagree with what Grgr is saying about what the US is trying today, today is a half arsed solution between the two which i also stated.

GrGr, if you are going to use my statements at least tell me about it so i can explain them if someone misinterprets what i say... ok?
 

chucky2

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JoS:

I'm just curious your position on airstrikes in cities...are you for or against?

The reason I ask is because I can see the value in maybe not dropping a bomb and causing civilian casualities, but then again I can understand when you're getting shot at, you want the lead to stop flying...to say nothing of making sure you get the bad guys.

Do you take it case by case and let the people on the ground make the call, just set policy (bad when the enemy finds out because they'll use that to their advantage), or what?

Chuck
 

GrGr

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Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Originally posted by: GrGr
Iraq: Call an air strike

By Pepe Escobar
"... the literature on counter-insurgency is so enormous that, had it been put aboard the Titanic, it would have sunk that ship without any help from the iceberg. However, the outstanding fact is that almost all of it has been written by the losers." - Martin van Creveld, in The Changing Face Of War, 2006

11/09/07 Asia Times -- -- Amid the George W Bush administration's relentless campaign to "change the subject" from Iraq to Iran, how to "win" the war against the Iraqi resistance, Sunni or Shi'ite, now means - according to counter-insurgency messiah General David Petraeus - calling an air strike.

On a parallel level, the Pentagon has practically finished a base in southern Iraq less than 10 kilometers from the border with Iran called Combat Outpost Shocker. The Pentagon maintains this is for the US to prevent Iranian weapons from being smuggled into Iraq. Rather, it's to control a rash of US covert, sabotage operations across the border targeting Iran's Khuzestan province.

With the looming Turkish threat of invading Iraqi Kurdistan and President General President Musharraf's new "let's jail all the lawyers" coup within a coup in Pakistan, the bloody war in the plains of Mesopotamia is lower down in the news cycle - not to mention the interminable 2008 US presidential soap opera. Rosy spinning, though, still rules unchecked.

The Pentagon - via Major General Joseph Fil, commander of US forces in Baghdad - is relentlessly spinning there's now less violence in the capital, a "sustainable" trend. This is rubbish.

Fil cannot even admit to the basic fact that Baghdad has been reduced to a collection of blast-walled, isolated ghettos in search of a city. Baghdad, from being 65% Sunni, is now at least 75% Shi'ite, and counting. Sunni and Shi'ite residents alike confirm sectarian violence has died down because there are virtually no more neighborhoods to be ethnically cleansed.

When Fil says the Iraqi forces are "much, much more effective", what he means is they are much more ferocious. Terrified middle class, secular Shi'ite residents have told Asia Times Online these guards - Shi'ites themselves - roaming Baghdad with their machine guns pointing to the sidewalks are "worse than the Americans".

Violence has also (relatively) decreased because the bulk of Muqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army is still lying low, following his strict orders, even though they are being targeted by constant US air strikes on Sadr City.

The falling numbers of US deaths have also been subjected to merciless spinning. Yet already more US troops have been killed in Iraq in 2007 than in all of 2006. This temporary fall is not caused by a burst of Sunni Iraqi resistance good will - even though an array of groups has taken some time out to concentrate forces in these past few months on unifying their struggle (See It's the resistance, stupid Asia Times Online, October 17, 2007.)

Once again, Baghdad residents, who daily have to negotiate life in hell, reveal what's going on. Lately, as a Shi'ite businessman says, "We have not seen the Americans. They used to come to my neighborhood almost every day at night, with Humvees and Bradleys. They stopped at the end of September." This means less US-conducted dangerous "missions" in the Baghdad wasteland - with less exposure to snipers and improvised explosive devices (IEDs) - and more time spent in ultra-fortified bases.

The Pentagon even had to admit that sniper attacks, conducted by real pros, have quadrupled during the past year and could "potentially inflict even more casualties than IEDs". The US Department of Defense's Defense Advance Research Projects Agency had to rush a program using lasers to identify snipers before they shoot.

Anyway, whenever there is a mission in Baghdad now it inevitably means an air strike. Mega-slum Sadr City residents confirm the US keeps attacking alleged Mahdi Army "terrorist" haunts - but mostly from the air.

With the US corporate media operating virtually like a Pentagon information agency, the only news fit to print is that as of early this week there were 3,855 American dead in Iraq. But most of all - and never mentioned - there were 28,451 wounded in combat. And as of October 1, there were no less than 30,294 military victims of accidents and diseases so serious they had to be medically sent out of Iraq.

When in doubt, 'liberate' from the air
Brigadier General Qasim Atta, spokesman for the Baghdad security plan, revealed this week Iraq's security forces have set up 250 spy cameras across Baghdad - presumably to track the Sunni resistance, the Mahdi Army and remaining al-Qaeda in the Land of the Two Rivers operatives. Atta has argued "the terrorists are now forced to resort to kidnappings and planting roadside bombs because our security plan is working". That's more rubbish.

Kidnapping is an established industry in Baghdad; with the exodus of the middle classes to Jordan, Syria and beyond, now there's virtually no one flush enough to be kidnapped. IEDs continue to follow wherever American convoys roam. And since they are not roaming - they stick to base - fewer IEDs are exploding. As for al-Qaeda, it has relocated from Baghdad neighborhoods such as Dora - but it will be back.

With fewer missions on the ground, the Pentagon could not but launch four times more air strikes on Iraqis in 2007 - the year of Bush's "surge" - than in the whole of 2006. Up to the end of September, there had been 1,140 air strikes. Last month, there were more air strikes than during the siege that devastated Fallujah in November 2004.

Even discounting the criminal absurdity of an occupation routinely dropping the bomb on packed neighborhoods of a city it already occupies, civilians are the inevitable "collateral damage" of these attacks - families, women, children, assorted "non-combatants". The US Air Force does not even take responsibility - claiming the air strikes are ordered by scared-to-death convoys of Humvees patrolling, say, the mean streets of Sadr City.

The Pentagon talk of "precision strikes" and "reducing collateral damage" means nothing in this context. This appalling human-rights disaster has to be attributed to counter-insurgency messiah Petraeus, the "loser", according to Martin van Creveld, who wrote the latest book on the matter, The Changing Face Of War.

But for public relations purposes inside the US, Petraeus' "by his book" approach works wonders. The Pentagon can spin to oblivion to a cowered media that US deaths are falling. Who cares what the Nuri al-Maliki "sovereign" Iraqi government says? Maliki is nothing but the mayor of the Green Zone anyway. Who cares what the "fish" - who support the "sea" of the resistance, Sunni or Shi'ite - feel? 80% of them are unemployed anyway - and they merely struggle to survive as second-class citizens in their own land.


There's hardly any electricity, fuel or food in Baghdad - everything is rationed - for anyone who's not aligned with a militia-protected faction. The only other option is to flee. With at least a staggering 4.4 million, according to the United Nations, either refugees or internally displaced, options are dwindling fast. There may be as many as 2 million Iraqi refugees in Syria alone. Damascus, in despair, has tightened its visa rules: only academics and businessmen are now entitled. No less than 14% of the entire Iraqi population has been displaced - courtesy of the Bush administration.

Oh, but the Bush administration is "winning" the war, of course. Counter-insurgency doctrine rules that the enemy must be controlled with social, political, ideological and psychological weapons, and risks have to be taken so civilians can be protected.

The surging Petraeus turned that upside down. Or maybe not - he's just providing his own scholarly follow-up to the indiscriminate bombings of Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia in the 1960s and 1970s. Petraeus, His master's voice, might as well call an air strike over the whole of Mesopotamia and then call it "victory".

---------------------------------

This report paints a different picture than the US spin doesn't it?

"The surging Petraeus turned that upside down. Or maybe not - he's just providing his own scholarly follow-up to the indiscriminate bombings of Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia in the 1960s and 1970s. Petraeus, His master's voice, might as well call an air strike over the whole of Mesopotamia and then call it "victory"."

This echoes the first of JohnOfSheffields' options in the "Iraq is a catastrophe" thread doesn't it.

Every sane person knows that Iraq is an utter and complete catastrophy of epic and historic proportions. TLC can pontificate all he wants about fewer deaths in Iraq, but in the overall context of things going on there that is just another desperate spin to cover the appalling truth.

Too add to the figures of 4.4 million Iraqi refugees the Red Cross came out the other day to say that 375.000 Iraqis are missing.

At the moment it looks like the US is trying JoS approach number 2 and bomb anything that stands in the way. There have been a number of reports lately of women and children killed, together with a number of "gunmen", by Americans dropping bombs.

You know, you should be banned for this, you are spouting this out like this is something i condone without telling me about it or even taking it into context.

This is the shit the twirp was afraid to quote but mousy enough to try to rehash.

"1. Engage three times the current force and wipe out all opposition, ALL opposition, all deployed until there is not one enemy standing.

2. Establish a permanent force to deal with the day to day problems while letting the Iraqis themselves handle most of it, a few strike teams to take care of immediate problems and pretty much constant fly overs to detect and observe and on occasion bomb, the strike teams will need air support in the form of choppers and ground support in the form of tanks, all of these should be under the command of the permanent force. "

Note that i'm just stating that these are the choices and that i completely disagree with what Grgr is saying about what the US is trying today, today is a half arsed solution between the two which i also stated.

GrGr, if you are going to use my statements at least tell me about it so i can explain them if someone misinterprets what i say... ok?

Hmm I did not read your "options" as something you condoned at all. I used it more as an example of generic "military thinking". That sentence was not directed at you at all but I was just surprised by the correlation between what you wrote and the approach the US uses according to the article (Iraq: Call an airstrike), even if obviously as you point out they are not exact matches at all. The main point of correlation as I see it was the reliance on airpower.
 
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Originally posted by: GrGr
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Originally posted by: GrGr
Iraq: Call an air strike

By Pepe Escobar
"... the literature on counter-insurgency is so enormous that, had it been put aboard the Titanic, it would have sunk that ship without any help from the iceberg. However, the outstanding fact is that almost all of it has been written by the losers." - Martin van Creveld, in The Changing Face Of War, 2006

11/09/07 Asia Times -- -- Amid the George W Bush administration's relentless campaign to "change the subject" from Iraq to Iran, how to "win" the war against the Iraqi resistance, Sunni or Shi'ite, now means - according to counter-insurgency messiah General David Petraeus - calling an air strike.

On a parallel level, the Pentagon has practically finished a base in southern Iraq less than 10 kilometers from the border with Iran called Combat Outpost Shocker. The Pentagon maintains this is for the US to prevent Iranian weapons from being smuggled into Iraq. Rather, it's to control a rash of US covert, sabotage operations across the border targeting Iran's Khuzestan province.

With the looming Turkish threat of invading Iraqi Kurdistan and President General President Musharraf's new "let's jail all the lawyers" coup within a coup in Pakistan, the bloody war in the plains of Mesopotamia is lower down in the news cycle - not to mention the interminable 2008 US presidential soap opera. Rosy spinning, though, still rules unchecked.

The Pentagon - via Major General Joseph Fil, commander of US forces in Baghdad - is relentlessly spinning there's now less violence in the capital, a "sustainable" trend. This is rubbish.

Fil cannot even admit to the basic fact that Baghdad has been reduced to a collection of blast-walled, isolated ghettos in search of a city. Baghdad, from being 65% Sunni, is now at least 75% Shi'ite, and counting. Sunni and Shi'ite residents alike confirm sectarian violence has died down because there are virtually no more neighborhoods to be ethnically cleansed.

When Fil says the Iraqi forces are "much, much more effective", what he means is they are much more ferocious. Terrified middle class, secular Shi'ite residents have told Asia Times Online these guards - Shi'ites themselves - roaming Baghdad with their machine guns pointing to the sidewalks are "worse than the Americans".

Violence has also (relatively) decreased because the bulk of Muqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army is still lying low, following his strict orders, even though they are being targeted by constant US air strikes on Sadr City.

The falling numbers of US deaths have also been subjected to merciless spinning. Yet already more US troops have been killed in Iraq in 2007 than in all of 2006. This temporary fall is not caused by a burst of Sunni Iraqi resistance good will - even though an array of groups has taken some time out to concentrate forces in these past few months on unifying their struggle (See It's the resistance, stupid Asia Times Online, October 17, 2007.)

Once again, Baghdad residents, who daily have to negotiate life in hell, reveal what's going on. Lately, as a Shi'ite businessman says, "We have not seen the Americans. They used to come to my neighborhood almost every day at night, with Humvees and Bradleys. They stopped at the end of September." This means less US-conducted dangerous "missions" in the Baghdad wasteland - with less exposure to snipers and improvised explosive devices (IEDs) - and more time spent in ultra-fortified bases.

The Pentagon even had to admit that sniper attacks, conducted by real pros, have quadrupled during the past year and could "potentially inflict even more casualties than IEDs". The US Department of Defense's Defense Advance Research Projects Agency had to rush a program using lasers to identify snipers before they shoot.

Anyway, whenever there is a mission in Baghdad now it inevitably means an air strike. Mega-slum Sadr City residents confirm the US keeps attacking alleged Mahdi Army "terrorist" haunts - but mostly from the air.

With the US corporate media operating virtually like a Pentagon information agency, the only news fit to print is that as of early this week there were 3,855 American dead in Iraq. But most of all - and never mentioned - there were 28,451 wounded in combat. And as of October 1, there were no less than 30,294 military victims of accidents and diseases so serious they had to be medically sent out of Iraq.

When in doubt, 'liberate' from the air
Brigadier General Qasim Atta, spokesman for the Baghdad security plan, revealed this week Iraq's security forces have set up 250 spy cameras across Baghdad - presumably to track the Sunni resistance, the Mahdi Army and remaining al-Qaeda in the Land of the Two Rivers operatives. Atta has argued "the terrorists are now forced to resort to kidnappings and planting roadside bombs because our security plan is working". That's more rubbish.

Kidnapping is an established industry in Baghdad; with the exodus of the middle classes to Jordan, Syria and beyond, now there's virtually no one flush enough to be kidnapped. IEDs continue to follow wherever American convoys roam. And since they are not roaming - they stick to base - fewer IEDs are exploding. As for al-Qaeda, it has relocated from Baghdad neighborhoods such as Dora - but it will be back.

With fewer missions on the ground, the Pentagon could not but launch four times more air strikes on Iraqis in 2007 - the year of Bush's "surge" - than in the whole of 2006. Up to the end of September, there had been 1,140 air strikes. Last month, there were more air strikes than during the siege that devastated Fallujah in November 2004.

Even discounting the criminal absurdity of an occupation routinely dropping the bomb on packed neighborhoods of a city it already occupies, civilians are the inevitable "collateral damage" of these attacks - families, women, children, assorted "non-combatants". The US Air Force does not even take responsibility - claiming the air strikes are ordered by scared-to-death convoys of Humvees patrolling, say, the mean streets of Sadr City.

The Pentagon talk of "precision strikes" and "reducing collateral damage" means nothing in this context. This appalling human-rights disaster has to be attributed to counter-insurgency messiah Petraeus, the "loser", according to Martin van Creveld, who wrote the latest book on the matter, The Changing Face Of War.

But for public relations purposes inside the US, Petraeus' "by his book" approach works wonders. The Pentagon can spin to oblivion to a cowered media that US deaths are falling. Who cares what the Nuri al-Maliki "sovereign" Iraqi government says? Maliki is nothing but the mayor of the Green Zone anyway. Who cares what the "fish" - who support the "sea" of the resistance, Sunni or Shi'ite - feel? 80% of them are unemployed anyway - and they merely struggle to survive as second-class citizens in their own land.


There's hardly any electricity, fuel or food in Baghdad - everything is rationed - for anyone who's not aligned with a militia-protected faction. The only other option is to flee. With at least a staggering 4.4 million, according to the United Nations, either refugees or internally displaced, options are dwindling fast. There may be as many as 2 million Iraqi refugees in Syria alone. Damascus, in despair, has tightened its visa rules: only academics and businessmen are now entitled. No less than 14% of the entire Iraqi population has been displaced - courtesy of the Bush administration.

Oh, but the Bush administration is "winning" the war, of course. Counter-insurgency doctrine rules that the enemy must be controlled with social, political, ideological and psychological weapons, and risks have to be taken so civilians can be protected.

The surging Petraeus turned that upside down. Or maybe not - he's just providing his own scholarly follow-up to the indiscriminate bombings of Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia in the 1960s and 1970s. Petraeus, His master's voice, might as well call an air strike over the whole of Mesopotamia and then call it "victory".

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This report paints a different picture than the US spin doesn't it?

"The surging Petraeus turned that upside down. Or maybe not - he's just providing his own scholarly follow-up to the indiscriminate bombings of Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia in the 1960s and 1970s. Petraeus, His master's voice, might as well call an air strike over the whole of Mesopotamia and then call it "victory"."

This echoes the first of JohnOfSheffields' options in the "Iraq is a catastrophe" thread doesn't it.

Every sane person knows that Iraq is an utter and complete catastrophy of epic and historic proportions. TLC can pontificate all he wants about fewer deaths in Iraq, but in the overall context of things going on there that is just another desperate spin to cover the appalling truth.

Too add to the figures of 4.4 million Iraqi refugees the Red Cross came out the other day to say that 375.000 Iraqis are missing.

At the moment it looks like the US is trying JoS approach number 2 and bomb anything that stands in the way. There have been a number of reports lately of women and children killed, together with a number of "gunmen", by Americans dropping bombs.

You know, you should be banned for this, you are spouting this out like this is something i condone without telling me about it or even taking it into context.

This is the shit the twirp was afraid to quote but mousy enough to try to rehash.

"1. Engage three times the current force and wipe out all opposition, ALL opposition, all deployed until there is not one enemy standing.

2. Establish a permanent force to deal with the day to day problems while letting the Iraqis themselves handle most of it, a few strike teams to take care of immediate problems and pretty much constant fly overs to detect and observe and on occasion bomb, the strike teams will need air support in the form of choppers and ground support in the form of tanks, all of these should be under the command of the permanent force. "

Note that i'm just stating that these are the choices and that i completely disagree with what Grgr is saying about what the US is trying today, today is a half arsed solution between the two which i also stated.

GrGr, if you are going to use my statements at least tell me about it so i can explain them if someone misinterprets what i say... ok?

Hmm I did not read your "options" as something you condoned at all. I used it more as an example of generic "military thinking". That sentence was not directed at you at all but I was just surprised by the correlation between what you wrote and the approach the US uses according to the article (Iraq: Call an airstrike), even if obviously as you point out they are not exact matches at all. The main point of correlation as I see it was the reliance on airpower.

I'm not a source of generic "military thinking" anyway, at least not for the US, i'm not even American and my opinions are not shared with most of the US military and especially not the ones in higher ranks.

And you completely missed my point, the point was that the strike forces would handle everything unless there is a clan of Talibans hanging out in a cave, then the bombers would be called in, choppers are used to take out a sniper in an above building or something like that so that strike teams can move forth.

The current situation in Afghanistan which is what i know best is that the civilians that are disgruntled and in support of the Talibans are the ones who are tired of the constant air bombings that always kill a number of civilians, my solution would minimize air bombings to areas where they are crucial and use strike teams with helicopter support in rural areas and general army with tanks in non rural areas.

It would minimize civilian casualties and at the same time be an effective way to kill off the terrorists.

In my mind i made that clear, i sometimes forget that not everyone thinks the way i do. Maybe you're right, maybe it is generic "military thinking" and you just didn't get what i said.
 

chucky2

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Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

I'm not a source of generic "military thinking" anyway, at least not for the US, i'm not even American and my opinions are not shared with most of the US military and especially not the ones in higher ranks.

And you completely missed my point, the point was that the strike forces would handle everything unless there is a clan of Talibans hanging out in a cave, then the bombers would be called in, choppers are used to take out a sniper in an above building or something like that so that strike teams can move forth.

The current situation in Afghanistan which is what i know best is that the civilians that are disgruntled and in support of the Talibans are the ones who are tired of the constant air bombings that always kill a number of civilians, my solution would minimize air bombings to areas where they are crucial and use strike teams with helicopter support in rural areas and general army with tanks in non rural areas.

It would minimize civilian casualties and at the same time be an effective way to kill off the terrorists.

In my mind i made that clear, i sometimes forget that not everyone thinks the way i do. Maybe you're right, maybe it is generic "military thinking" and you just didn't get what i said.

Thanks JoS, you just answered my above question to you with this post...not that it matters one bit, but, I like that type of thinking, I wonder why we don't do it more???

Chuck
 
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Originally posted by: chucky2
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

I'm not a source of generic "military thinking" anyway, at least not for the US, i'm not even American and my opinions are not shared with most of the US military and especially not the ones in higher ranks.

And you completely missed my point, the point was that the strike forces would handle everything unless there is a clan of Talibans hanging out in a cave, then the bombers would be called in, choppers are used to take out a sniper in an above building or something like that so that strike teams can move forth.

The current situation in Afghanistan which is what i know best is that the civilians that are disgruntled and in support of the Talibans are the ones who are tired of the constant air bombings that always kill a number of civilians, my solution would minimize air bombings to areas where they are crucial and use strike teams with helicopter support in rural areas and general army with tanks in non rural areas.

It would minimize civilian casualties and at the same time be an effective way to kill off the terrorists.

In my mind i made that clear, i sometimes forget that not everyone thinks the way i do. Maybe you're right, maybe it is generic "military thinking" and you just didn't get what i said.

Thanks JoS, you just answered my above question to you with this post...not that it matters one bit, but, I like that type of thinking, I wonder why we don't do it more???

Chuck

Because i can't control more than one area at a time and the general principle is not the one of the SAS which i'm a Captain in.

We are one of those (or several depending on how you count it) striking forces that have taken the average areas into peace and you can ask anyone in Kabul and the surroundings what they feel about us being there and they will want us to stay.

You ask the other cities that are constantly getting bombed and they hate the guts of the military presence there, it's not hard to understand.

What is needed is the troops that are currently serving in Iraq, about 20k of the special forces who are trained in urban warfare and Afghanistan would blossom in a year, of course, we would need Pakistans permission to track them and follow them into Pakistan and that needs to be done too.

Imagine the support gained.

We'll never get that though and so this war is without hope, and i'm one of those leaving in fact i'm going home some time over the next three days, i was told today but apparently the weather didn't allow the flight.

I don't think i'll be going back, i'm to old for this shit.
 

chucky2

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Of course this is playing fanciful thinking, but, if Iraq continues to stabilize, do you think Afghanistan will see more troops as less are needed in Iraq?

I agree we should be full force in Afghanistan, no need to debate Iraq in this thread, just wondering if in a general sense they'll move the SF-types from Iraq to Afghanistan if they reach some milestone in Iraq?

Chuck
 
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Originally posted by: chucky2
Of course this is playing fanciful thinking, but, if Iraq continues to stabilize, do you think Afghanistan will see more troops as less are needed in Iraq?

I agree we should be full force in Afghanistan, no need to debate Iraq in this thread, just wondering if in a general sense they'll move the SF-types from Iraq to Afghanistan if they reach some milestone in Iraq?

Chuck

No, Afghanistan is done for, all political points are scored.

It'll turn into a Taliban nest again and most of Pakistan will too because Iran is the target now and that the Talibans may already have ready to fire nuclear warheads and they REALLY don't give a fuck in 6 or so months, well that doesn't bother anyone because politics are about Iran and if they are going to eventually produce a nuclear warhead within 10 years or so and maybe use it if anyone attacks them.

yeah, it's stupid, i know, but i can't do fuck about it so why do i feel responsible, i think a lot of us do.
 

chucky2

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Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

No, Afghanistan is done for, all political points are scored.

It'll turn into a Taliban nest again and most of Pakistan will too because Iran is the target now and that the Talibans may already have ready to fire nuclear warheads and they REALLY don't give a fuck in 6 or so months, well that doesn't bother anyone because politics are about Iran and if they are going to eventually produce a nuclear warhead within 10 years or so and maybe use it if anyone attacks them.

yeah, it's stupid, i know, but i can't do fuck about it so why do i feel responsible, i think a lot of us do.

That's a depressing outlook that I hope for all our sakes is wrong....but I fear unfortunately you have an unacceptably high chance of being right. :(

As far as you feeling responsible, that's because normal people want to feel they've made a lasting difference, that they've accomplished something, that they've "won". It's the same problem we had with Vietnam vets, same problem we're having with Iraq/Afghanistan vets...there's been no "win" so they feel their sacrifice is worth nothing, and people go around back home like everything is right with the world, What there's a war on?

It's a F'ing disgrace we're not full force in Afghanistan and kicking down Pakistan's NW door whether they like it or not.

That we can do that and be in Iraq at the same time makes it all the more frustrating...

Stay safe man, don't want to be one of those guys with 3 days left and they get a run of bad luck right at the end...

Chuck

P.S. I'm not British, but, Thank You for your service on the World's behalf!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Chuck
 
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Originally posted by: chucky2
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

No, Afghanistan is done for, all political points are scored.

It'll turn into a Taliban nest again and most of Pakistan will too because Iran is the target now and that the Talibans may already have ready to fire nuclear warheads and they REALLY don't give a fuck in 6 or so months, well that doesn't bother anyone because politics are about Iran and if they are going to eventually produce a nuclear warhead within 10 years or so and maybe use it if anyone attacks them.

yeah, it's stupid, i know, but i can't do fuck about it so why do i feel responsible, i think a lot of us do.

That's a depressing outlook that I hope for all our sakes is wrong....but I fear unfortunately you have an unacceptably high chance of being right. :(

As far as you feeling responsible, that's because normal people want to feel they've made a lasting difference, that they've accomplished something, that they've "won". It's the same problem we had with Vietnam vets, same problem we're having with Iraq/Afghanistan vets...there's been no "win" so they feel their sacrifice is worth nothing, and people go around back home like everything is right with the world, What there's a war on?

It's a F'ing disgrace we're not full force in Afghanistan and kicking down Pakistan's NW door whether they like it or not.

That we can do that and be in Iraq at the same time makes it all the more frustrating...

Stay safe man, don't want to be one of those guys with 3 days left and they get a run of bad luck right at the end...

Chuck

P.S. I'm not British, but, Thank You for your service on the World's behalf!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Chuck

Our support is your support, we stand by every one of you, even if not all of us agree with the decisions of your government and not all of you agree with the decisions of your government.

After tomorrow i'm not going to get out much, i've got a transport to Bagram and after that i'm going back to Kabul and then we'll pack and go home.

I can't say that this feels all that great though, we've been to a lot of places and it's always felt good to go home, this time... i've got an eerie feeling about this, not that something is going to happen to me or my men but that we should have stayed.

Thank you for your support, your words will be remembered.

 

Arglebargle

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Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
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Our support is your support, we stand by every one of you, even if not all of us agree with the decisions of your government and not all of you agree with the decisions of your government.

After tomorrow i'm not going to get out much, i've got a transport to Bagram and after that i'm going back to Kabul and then we'll pack and go home.

I can't say that this feels all that great though, we've been to a lot of places and it's always felt good to go home, this time... i've got an eerie feeling about this, not that something is going to happen to me or my men but that we should have stayed.

Thank you for your support, your words will be remembered.

Please keep posting once you are safely out. Very thought provoking reading.
 
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Originally posted by: Arglebargle
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
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Our support is your support, we stand by every one of you, even if not all of us agree with the decisions of your government and not all of you agree with the decisions of your government.

After tomorrow i'm not going to get out much, i've got a transport to Bagram and after that i'm going back to Kabul and then we'll pack and go home.

I can't say that this feels all that great though, we've been to a lot of places and it's always felt good to go home, this time... i've got an eerie feeling about this, not that something is going to happen to me or my men but that we should have stayed.

Thank you for your support, your words will be remembered.

Please keep posting once you are safely out. Very thought provoking reading.

Two days now, i'm going to go to Bagram in a couple of hours and be back in Kabul sometime tomorrow, after that i've got all my packing together i'm going to Fort Smith in Arkansas for a while to do.. well the things done, everything from reports to checkups before i'm going home, probably landing in London and being greeted by my family.

A few men went before us, not that many but we were not that many to begin with, i can't give any numbers or specifics except general locations and what is already known outside our ... group.

i will keep posting but it will take a week or two once i'm on my way.

I have a knack for saying exactly what i mean and i get banned for it from time to time, especially because i refuse to edit my posts since i said exactly what i meant so if i am offline for a while you'll know what has happened. ;)
 
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Take a course, become a chiropractor and pretend you're a doctor.

That must be one long fucking weekend course since you are STILL in training.

Are you going for the full shit with aroma therapy too?
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
So to dumb it way way down, there are less deaths now because everybody is already dead.

Less than 100,000 out of how many million? "Everyone" indeed.....
Check the definition of hyperbole.

 

piasabird

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It is not like we have any real news coming to us about Iraq one way or another. All we ever hear or see is a deathcount by the Media. No pictures, no in-depth interviews, no boots on the ground.

So is this a communist run website?

The Asia Times is run by who?

It is available in Chinese???

Does that make you Communist for reading it?
 

eits

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Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Take a course, become a chiropractor and pretend you're a doctor.

That must be one long fucking weekend course since you are STILL in training.

Are you going for the full shit with aroma therapy too?

??? where the hell did that come from?

i never pretended to be a doctor... i still have about 9 months left before i become one, therefore i'm still in training. also, chiropractic school is a 5 academic year post-grad curriculum. so, yeah, i guess metaphorically speaking, it is one long fucking weekend.

it looks like you know about as much on the topic of chiropractic as you do politics.

edit: my comment about doing a barrel roll and using a boost to get through wasn't in response to your post. it's a quote from starfox 64.
 

datalink7

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
So to dumb it way way down, there are less deaths now because everybody is already dead.

Patently untrue. I'm guessing that the author of this article hasn't spent much, if any, time in Baghdad.

My unit arrived in Baghdad last Feb. We occupied our COP (Coalition Outpost) in early March. This was a new concept where, instead of living on big bases called FOBs (Forward Operating Base), we would establish smaller COPs out in the neighborhoods. These would be Company sized (~100 men). My BN established four in our sector, and this happened all over Baghdad.

"Ultra fortified bases"? If you call pitching tents in a parking lot and surrounding it with one wall of concrete, no electricity, pissing in a hole burning sh!t in a barrell and no showers "ultra fortified," well, I don't know what to say. We now have improved the living conditions but the only extra "fortifying" we have done is to add security cameras and concrete towers (as opposed to sandbag towers).

But back on topic. When we first established our COP we would hear sectarian violence every night. And also much of the day. We would race out of the COP toward the firing and much of the time, they would see us coming and run. When we went back to the COP, they would start again. Sometimes they would strike us as well. My Platoon has seen its fair share of "action", so to speak.

So we patrolled and patrolled the local neighborhoods. We started chasing down the bad characters. Tried to get the leadership to talk to each other. To get their young men to stop fighting. We forced the Shia and Sunni to the table. We showed them how they were hurting each other. How innocent men, women and children were being killed on both sides.

And guess what? The effort brought results. The violence went from nearly non-stop to stopping. My Platoon hasn't been engaged in a month. You'll go nights in a row without hearing gunfire, and when you do half the time it is IA killing dogs. The leadership of the neighborhoods are engaging in reconciliation meetings that last 5 hours at a time. And even better, they are starting to talk to each other outside of these meetings, with no prodding or mediation from Americans.

He says it's "rubbish" that violence is down. What's rubbish is his unsupported article spreading lies. "And since they are not roaming - they stick to base - fewer IEDs are exploding." Where does he gather this information? My Platoon still does patrols every day. My Company still does patrols every day. My Battalion still does patrols every day. My Brigade still does patrols every day. We haven't slowed down at all. Now, I can't speak for the other units in Baghdad but I find it hard to believe that they all of a sudden "stopped" patrolling while we continued on as normal.

Anyway, I'm tried so I'll stop for now. But what I'm really tired of is "rubbish" articles like this one.

Edit: Oh, but I forgot one point. The violence hasn't slowed because "everyone is dead." The ratio of Sunni-to-Shia neighborhoods in our sectors is EXACTLY THE SAME as the day we arrived. Population is a little more fluid so that has changed, to what I'm not sure, but all neighborhoods still are populated so it isn't like the Shia killed off all the Sunni.