Iraq and Damned Statistics

[BBond]

Iraq and Damned Statistics

Iraqi Public Opinion
** Only 33 percent of Iraqis think they're better off now than before the war, as a Gallup poll discovered.
** Just 36 percent believe the interim government shares their values.
** 94 percent say Baghdad is more dangerous than it was before the war.
** 66.6 believe the US occupation could start a civil war.
** 80 percent want the US to leave directly after the January elections.

Also...

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.juancole.com/2004/11/election-plans-roiled-sunni-extremist.html">Election Plans Roiled
Sunni Extremist Death Threats against Sistani</a>

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: BBond
Iraq and Damned Statistics

Iraqi Public Opinion
** Only 33 percent of Iraqis think they're better off now than before the war, as a Gallup poll discovered.
** Just 36 percent believe the interim government shares their values.
** 94 percent say Baghdad is more dangerous than it was before the war.
** 66.6 believe the US occupation could start a civil war.
** 80 percent want the US to leave directly after the January elections.

Also...

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.juancole.com/2004/11/election-plans-roiled-sunni-extremist.html">Election Plans Roiled
Sunni Extremist Death Threats against Sistani</a>

Whatttt????? {Bang, bang, bang}... Looks like there's one less insurgent.

 

[Alistar7]

Those must be reliable numbers the same guy also says:


"Indeed, as the human, moral and material toll of the occupation skyrocketed, most Arab Iraqis, Shi?a and Sunnis alike, have come to abhor the American presence along with an Allawi government viewed as little more than an American puppet. We don?t have to look far to figure out why they: 100,000 deaths and counting, untold billions of dollars of property and infrastructure damage, a barely-functioning health system, massive unemployment, and official corruption that is so pervasive that one of Prime Minister Allawi's senior advisors described the Government to me as ?Saddam with new faces?--all are better recruiting tools for an insurgency than a dozen bin Laden and Zarqawi videos. "


lol......

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: BBond
Iraq and Damned Statistics

Iraqi Public Opinion
** Only 33 percent of Iraqis think they're better off now than before the war, as a Gallup poll discovered.
** Just 36 percent believe the interim government shares their values.
** 94 percent say Baghdad is more dangerous than it was before the war.
** 66.6 believe the US occupation could start a civil war.
** 80 percent want the US to leave directly after the January elections.

If the PIPA study is an indicator we will get *crickets* and vague claims of bias from the right.

 

[Stunt]

Operation Iraqi Freedom = Failure + US money pit :thumbsup:

 

[Kibbo]

Umm, attackinng the quality of a survey by attacking the reporter is a pretty bad argument.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: BBond
Iraq and Damned Statistics

Iraqi Public Opinion
** Only 33 percent of Iraqis think they're better off now than before the war, as a Gallup poll discovered.
** Just 36 percent believe the interim government shares their values.
** 94 percent say Baghdad is more dangerous than it was before the war.
** 66.6 believe the US occupation could start a civil war.
** 80 percent want the US to leave directly after the January elections.

Also...

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.juancole.com/2004/11/election-plans-roiled-sunni-extremist.html">Election Plans Roiled
Sunni Extremist Death Threats against Sistani</a>

I find it very encouraging that the situation in Iraq is stable enough for gallup to conduct a poll that you can have faith in. I give the good news a :thumbsup:

 

[Infohawk]

So basically you're happy because Iraq isn't completely anarchic? I get you can't be disappointed if you set low standards.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: BBond
Iraq and Damned Statistics

Iraqi Public Opinion
** Only 33 percent of Iraqis think they're better off now than before the war, as a Gallup poll discovered.
** Just 36 percent believe the interim government shares their values.
** 94 percent say Baghdad is more dangerous than it was before the war.
** 66.6 believe the US occupation could start a civil war.
** 80 percent want the US to leave directly after the January elections.

Also...

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.juancole.com/2004/11/election-plans-roiled-sunni-extremist.html">Election Plans Roiled
Sunni Extremist Death Threats against Sistani</a>

I find it very encouraging that the situation in Iraq is stable enough for gallup to conduct a poll that you can have faith in. I give the good news a :thumbsup:

Or you could look at what they are saying...you know...the whole point of the poll itself. You were all upset during the election when non-americans were saying what is best for americans. Now you must not be a hipocrit and recognize that iraqi's know what is best for iraq.

a) it is not safe in iraq.
b) the US has created instability in the country.
c) iraqi's are not better off.
d) the US occupation was wrong.
e) they want you out.

That's what i get from it...you know...the questions in the poll. Not "ugh...duh...it was safe enough to have a...umm...poll...he-yuk"

I know this is hard for you to do but...Open your eyes and look at the facts...thank you.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
So basically you're happy because Iraq isn't completely anarchic? I get you can't be disappointed if you set low standards.

"encouraging" was the keyword. If you are going to make a dumbass post to twist my words around, at least twist the right one....

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: BBond
Iraq and Damned Statistics

Iraqi Public Opinion
** Only 33 percent of Iraqis think they're better off now than before the war, as a Gallup poll discovered.
** Just 36 percent believe the interim government shares their values.
** 94 percent say Baghdad is more dangerous than it was before the war.
** 66.6 believe the US occupation could start a civil war.
** 80 percent want the US to leave directly after the January elections.

Also...

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.juancole.com/2004/11/election-plans-roiled-sunni-extremist.html">Election Plans Roiled
Sunni Extremist Death Threats against Sistani</a>

I find it very encouraging that the situation in Iraq is stable enough for gallup to conduct a poll that you can have faith in. I give the good news a :thumbsup:

Or you could look at what they are saying...you know...the whole point of the poll itself. You were all upset during the election when non-americans were saying what is best for americans. Now you must not be a hipocrit and recognize that iraqi's know what is best for iraq.

a) it is not safe in iraq.
b) the US has created instability in the country.
c) iraqi's are not better off.
d) the US occupation was wrong.
e) they want you out.

That's what i get from it...you know...the questions in the poll. Not "ugh...duh...it was safe enough to have a...umm...poll...he-yuk"

I know this is hard for you to do but...Open your eyes and look at the facts...thank you.

Or you could ponder the pounded message from this board that Iraq is in chaos, and then ponder the point of this thread and wonder which message is the lie.

Take your pick.

1.) Iraq is in chaos, which would tend to lend credence to the notion that a poll of this type could not be accurately executed.

2.) The poll is correct, which would tend to lend credence to the notion that Iraq is not in chaos.


:clock: tick tock. Which one is it?

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: BBond
Iraq and Damned Statistics

Iraqi Public Opinion
** Only 33 percent of Iraqis think they're better off now than before the war, as a Gallup poll discovered.
** Just 36 percent believe the interim government shares their values.
** 94 percent say Baghdad is more dangerous than it was before the war.
** 66.6 believe the US occupation could start a civil war.
** 80 percent want the US to leave directly after the January elections.

Also...

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.juancole.com/2004/11/election-plans-roiled-sunni-extremist.html">Election Plans Roiled
Sunni Extremist Death Threats against Sistani</a>

I find it very encouraging that the situation in Iraq is stable enough for gallup to conduct a poll that you can have faith in. I give the good news a :thumbsup:

Or you could look at what they are saying...you know...the whole point of the poll itself. You were all upset during the election when non-americans were saying what is best for americans. Now you must not be a hipocrit and recognize that iraqi's know what is best for iraq.

a) it is not safe in iraq.
b) the US has created instability in the country.
c) iraqi's are not better off.
d) the US occupation was wrong.
e) they want you out.

That's what i get from it...you know...the questions in the poll. Not "ugh...duh...it was safe enough to have a...umm...poll...he-yuk"

I know this is hard for you to do but...Open your eyes and look at the facts...thank you.

Or you could ponder the pounded message from this board that Iraq is in chaos, and then ponder the point of this thread and wonder which message is the lie.

Take your pick.

1.) Iraq is in chaos, which would tend to lend credence to the notion that a poll of this type could not be accurately executed.

2.) The poll is correct, which would tend to lend credence to the notion that Iraq is not in chaos.


:clock: tick tock. Which one is it?

I was under the impression that there are only certain regions of iraq in "chaos" if you will. So using your assumptions that polls cannot be taken in chaotic regions, these polls must have been done in the safer ares. Therefore the chaotic regions were excluded from the poll!...

Well shoot, that's not going to help your case if those numbers start coming in. Just another reason to take these numbers more seriously.

Or you can be a blind a$$ like yourself and skew the facts for your own piddly motives 😛

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: BBond
Iraq and Damned Statistics

Iraqi Public Opinion
** Only 33 percent of Iraqis think they're better off now than before the war, as a Gallup poll discovered.
** Just 36 percent believe the interim government shares their values.
** 94 percent say Baghdad is more dangerous than it was before the war.
** 66.6 believe the US occupation could start a civil war.
** 80 percent want the US to leave directly after the January elections.

Also...

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.juancole.com/2004/11/election-plans-roiled-sunni-extremist.html">Election Plans Roiled
Sunni Extremist Death Threats against Sistani</a>

I find it very encouraging that the situation in Iraq is stable enough for gallup to conduct a poll that you can have faith in. I give the good news a :thumbsup:

Or you could look at what they are saying...you know...the whole point of the poll itself. You were all upset during the election when non-americans were saying what is best for americans. Now you must not be a hipocrit and recognize that iraqi's know what is best for iraq.

a) it is not safe in iraq.
b) the US has created instability in the country.
c) iraqi's are not better off.
d) the US occupation was wrong.
e) they want you out.

That's what i get from it...you know...the questions in the poll. Not "ugh...duh...it was safe enough to have a...umm...poll...he-yuk"

I know this is hard for you to do but...Open your eyes and look at the facts...thank you.

Or you could ponder the pounded message from this board that Iraq is in chaos, and then ponder the point of this thread and wonder which message is the lie.

Take your pick.

1.) Iraq is in chaos, which would tend to lend credence to the notion that a poll of this type could not be accurately executed.

2.) The poll is correct, which would tend to lend credence to the notion that Iraq is not in chaos.


:clock: tick tock. Which one is it?

I was under the impression that there are only certain regions of iraq in "chaos" if you will. So using your assumptions that polls cannot be taken in chaotic regions, these polls must have been done in the safer ares. Therefore the chaotic regions were excluded from the poll!...

Well shoot, that's not going to help your case if those numbers start coming in. Just another reason to take these numbers more seriously.

Or you can be a blind a$$ like yourself and skew the facts for your own piddly motives 😛

Key word in the op: "Iraqis"

Blows your theory, now which one is it?

1.) or 2.)?????????

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Kibbo
Umm, attackinng the quality of a survey by attacking the reporter is a pretty bad argument.

Hey, attacking the facts would take effort, and frankly, who cares while they are sitting in their comfy home by their computer?

(Alistar7 is ex military and i am surprised he cannot see the flaws in his argument)

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: BBond
Iraq and Damned Statistics

Iraqi Public Opinion
** Only 33 percent of Iraqis think they're better off now than before the war, as a Gallup poll discovered.
** Just 36 percent believe the interim government shares their values.
** 94 percent say Baghdad is more dangerous than it was before the war.
** 66.6 believe the US occupation could start a civil war.
** 80 percent want the US to leave directly after the January elections.

Also...

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.juancole.com/2004/11/election-plans-roiled-sunni-extremist.html">Election Plans Roiled
Sunni Extremist Death Threats against Sistani</a>

I find it very encouraging that the situation in Iraq is stable enough for gallup to conduct a poll that you can have faith in. I give the good news a :thumbsup:

Or you could look at what they are saying...you know...the whole point of the poll itself. You were all upset during the election when non-americans were saying what is best for americans. Now you must not be a hipocrit and recognize that iraqi's know what is best for iraq.

a) it is not safe in iraq.
b) the US has created instability in the country.
c) iraqi's are not better off.
d) the US occupation was wrong.
e) they want you out.

That's what i get from it...you know...the questions in the poll. Not "ugh...duh...it was safe enough to have a...umm...poll...he-yuk"

I know this is hard for you to do but...Open your eyes and look at the facts...thank you.

Or you could ponder the pounded message from this board that Iraq is in chaos, and then ponder the point of this thread and wonder which message is the lie.

Take your pick.

1.) Iraq is in chaos, which would tend to lend credence to the notion that a poll of this type could not be accurately executed.

2.) The poll is correct, which would tend to lend credence to the notion that Iraq is not in chaos.


:clock: tick tock. Which one is it?

All i can do is shake my head. That has to be the stupidest post of the year, and consiering the stupid posts i have read from other bag-beaters that says a LOT.

Iraq is in chaos, it will be in chaos for at least 10 years, the iraqi military forces are getting slaughtered by the "few insurgents".

Eventually the US will do what the US always does, it will leve Iraq and complain about the UN not doing anything.

A civil war will emerge and what we see in many parts of Africa will happen there too, of course, the US an people like you will blame only others for not doing anything.

It is your fvcking mess, CLEAN IT UP AND SHUT UP ABOUT IT!

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: Ozoned
Key word in the op: "Iraqis"

Blows your theory, now which one is it?

1.) or 2.)?????????

Ugh...iraqi's can be two guys working the ports bringing in supplies for the US...
The details of the sample are not given.

Asking me to make an assumption based on limited knowledge and facts, especially your sad excuse of options based on flawed ideas...would not be right of me and would bring me to your level. Blind and Assuming.

You know how i feel...iraqi's know how they feel...if you cannot figure that out i have given your intelligence too much credit at this point.

 

[Gaard]

Or you could put forth the argument that even though the Iraqis are painting a pretty bleak picture, the fact that they are able to say things are pretty bleak is good news in and of itself. You know, that way you can simply disregard what they are saying altogether.

Son: "Mom, why do I have to eat this salted shoe leather?"
Mom: "Shut up! At least you're eating."

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: Ozoned
Key word in the op: "Iraqis"

Blows your theory, now which one is it?

1.) or 2.)?????????

Ugh...iraqi's can be two guys working the ports bringing in supplies for the US...

Ayup...

Thats 2 for ozoned and 0 for stunt. 😀

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Gaard
Or you could put forth the argument that even though the Iraqis are painting a pretty bleak picture, the fact that they are able to say things are pretty bleak is good news in and of itself. You know, that way you can simply disregard what they are saying altogether.

Son: "Mom, why do I have to eat this salted shoe leather?"
Mom: "Shut up! At least you're eating."

Or you could just say:


[/quote]
I find it very encouraging that the situation in Iraq is stable enough for gallup to conduct a poll that you can have faith in. I give the good news a :thumbsup:
[/quote]

😎

 

[yllus]

Could we see this number?

% of Iraqis that are glad that someone in the world community got off their ass and got rid of their dictator.

 

[Gaard]

This would be a really interesting poll question posed to the Iraqis..."Without the threat of WMD, whether true or false, do you think America would've bothered liberating you guys?"

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: Ozoned
Key word in the op: "Iraqis"

Blows your theory, now which one is it?

1.) or 2.)?????????

Ugh...iraqi's can be two guys working the ports bringing in supplies for the US...

Ayup...

Thats 2 for ozoned and 0 for stunt. 😀

lol, you are so far behind, you think you've won...hehe...funny stuff.
i thought it was a poll of all iraqi's over all areas and regions, making the whole country stable.

I dont know how your winning statement can have so many contradictions to your argument. Amazing how blind people truely are....hehe you are quite an amusing man, i must give you that. You should start a radio talk show, i'd listen to you all the time, i could laugh AT you all day.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: yllus
Could we see this number?

% of Iraqis that are glad that someone in the world community got off their ass and got rid of their dictator.

33% of ppl think they are better off than they were before the war...so i think that is your number there.

people want to be better off right?...so 33%, 1 in 3 and that's excuding the insurgents. I doubt they were included in the poll.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: yllus
Could we see this number?

% of Iraqis that are glad that someone in the world community got off their ass and got rid of their dictator.

How about a different question, are you happy that the US invaded Iraq?

You see, getting rid of Saddam is something i think most support, the price paid for the invasion, both on the Iraqi side and on all other sides is a different matter.

Single track minds with single track thoughts does not work in this world, if you want the truth that is.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Stunt
33% of ppl think they are better off than they were before the war...so i think that is your number there.

I disagree. I think the realists realized that the post-Saddam period was not going to be a honeymoon. I think my question (removing the facetious tail end of it) is more appropriate in guaging if Iraqis feel that in the long run they were better serviced by the removal of Saddam versus the considerable cost incurred upon the country. That is in contrast to your question, which is asking if the Iraq of the present day - Nov. 27, 2004 - is better than that of Saddam's day. Under Hussein they had a fair guarantee of a stable supply of heat, water and security. Under the current setup those things are much more tenuous - but they also have the hope of true freedom in the days to come.

Originally posted by: Klixxer
How about a different question, are you happy that the US invaded Iraq?

You see, getting rid of Saddam is something i think most support, the price paid for the invasion, both on the Iraqi side and on all other sides is a different matter.

Single track minds with single track thoughts does not work in this world, if you want the truth that is.

I think most would answer the way you mentioned: "I'm glad the U.S. removed Saddam, but looking as we are now at the human and financial costs of the campaign it's not as black and white as you'd think."

If we're truly being honest, that answer boiled down to one word in response to both of our questions would be, "Yes."