Iraq: 168 killed yesterday and 263 Kiled today as Ramadan gets going.

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
And why did we do that again? Yellow cake?

How predictable.

When someone points out that the violence in Iraq is due to secterianism, and meddling from Iran and Syria, you automatically revert to the fail-safe accusation.

Well, while I agree that the USA should have never went in, most people in Iraq, as a recent poll has showed, are happy that Saddam was overthrown.

You can talk about cake and tea 'till the cows come home, but the fact remains that Iraqis are killing Iraqis.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: dna
What a lame attempt to blame the US for everything...

For those who don't remember, soldiers were greeted with flowers when they took out Saddam; pictures here and here.

So far, most of the death and destruction has been done by Religion of Peace? advocates.

I would give flowers to anyone who removed the bush regime from office too

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Where are those WMD anyway? Is Bush still joking about it? Yeah, haha. As children get blown to bits over there, he jokes about it. Yeah, you Neocons did the Iraqis a real big favor bringing "FREEDOM" and "DEMOCRACY" over there.... Just ask them!

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: dna
What a bunch of baloney... you people keep talking as if US soldiers are excuting 3,000 Iraqis every month.

Too bad we don't see people like you talk as vociferously against the leaders of the Shiias and Sunnis, and against the meddling -- as in promoting violence -- of Iran and Syria.

The only baloney here is your attempt to put words in other people's mouths. Who said it's the US killing 3,000+ a month?

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: jpeyton
And why did we do that again? Yellow cake?

How predictable.

When someone points out that the violence in Iraq is due to secterianism, and meddling from Iran and Syria, you automatically revert to the fail-safe accusation.

Well, while I agree that the USA should have never went in, most people in Iraq, as a recent poll has showed, are happy that Saddam was overthrown.

You can talk about cake and tea 'till the cows come home, but the fact remains that Iraqis are killing Iraqis.

Heh. It's NOT an accusation, it's a FACT. JACK. So in that sense, yes, it is failsafe. The latest polls in Iraq also indicate that a majority supports attacks on U.S. TROOPS! You like that part too? Put a target on yourself and head over there!

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: jpeyton
And why did we do that again? Yellow cake?

How predictable.

When someone points out that the violence in Iraq is due to secterianism, and meddling from Iran and Syria, you automatically revert to the fail-safe accusation.

Well, while I agree that the USA should have never went in, most people in Iraq, as a recent poll has showed, are happy that Saddam was overthrown.

You can talk about cake and tea 'till the cows come home, but the fact remains that Iraqis are killing Iraqis.

Here is a DEAL

I will bet you any amount of money that EVEN YOU were smart enough to know that without enough forces to police Iraq the Shia would seek revenge against the Sunnis.

I wonder if we can understand now why Saddam's regime was so violent.. look at what he had to fight against

BTW, check this out

Saddam saw himself as a social revolutionary and a modernizer, following the model of Nasser, President of Egypt. To the consternation of Islamic conservatives, his government gave women added freedoms and offered them high-level government and industry jobs. Saddam also created a Western-style legal system, making Iraq the only country in the Persian Gulf region not ruled according to traditional Islamic law (Sharia). Saddam abolished the Sharia law courts, except for personal injury claims.

Domestic conflict impeded Saddam's modernizing projects. Iraqi society is divided along lines of language, religion and ethnicity; Saddam's government rested on the support of the 20% minority of largely working-class, peasant, and lower middle class Sunni Muslims, continuing a pattern that dates back at least to the British mandate authority's reliance on them as administrators.

 

[Aimster]

Saddam gave women freedom.

One positive thing about Iraq.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Saddam gave women freedom.

One positive thing about Iraq.

Unless you were a Kurd, in which case he gassed you.

Nice

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium
Where are those WMD anyway? Is Bush still joking about it? Yeah, haha. As children get blown to bits over there, he jokes about it. Yeah, you Neocons did the Iraqis a real big favor bringing "FREEDOM" and "DEMOCRACY" over there.... Just ask them!

So what you're implying is that the Iraqis must have a tyrrant to control them as they are unable to do so for themselves. Good enough for me.

 

[ProfJohn]

Rush had two interesting suggestions yesterday

1. We pull all troops out of Baghdad and secure the borders and tell the Iraqis that it is up to them to secure the rest of the country.

or

2. We go block to block on a search and destroy and kill anyone who is a terrorist or works with the terrorist and take all the guns and bombs etc, and then we hand it over to Iraqis and tell them the rest is up to them. (I think that should include militias too, ala Sadr, the hell with him hiding in a mosque and all that. Go in there with tanks and apaches and clear out every last one of them if we have too, in the long run people will forget about that if there is peace.)

I think the sense is that the right is getting tired of Iraq as well, don't be surprised if there are plans to start some kind of draw back after the election.
Getting rid of Saddam was a good idea, now that the threat of him cooperating with terrorists is gone we can find other ways to stop terrorists from getting a foot hold in Iraq, mainly bombing.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Aimster
Saddam gave women freedom.

One positive thing about Iraq.

Unless you were a Kurd, in which case he gassed you.

Nice

Like the stuff we used in Fallujah?

I thought the Iranians may have been the gassers or did we sell Saddam gasses to use on the Iranians back then..

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Rush had two interesting suggestions yesterday

1. We pull all troops out of Baghdad and secure the borders and tell the Iraqis that it is up to them to secure the rest of the country.

or

2. We go block to block on a search and destroy and kill anyone who is a terrorist or works with the terrorist and take all the guns and bombs etc, and then we hand it over to Iraqis and tell them the rest is up to them. (I think that should include militias too, ala Sadr, the hell with him hiding in a mosque and all that. Go in there with tanks and apaches and clear out every last one of them if we have too, in the long run people will forget about that if there is peace.)

I think the sense is that the right is getting tired of Iraq as well, don't be surprised if there are plans to start some kind of draw back after the election.
Getting rid of Saddam was a good idea, now that the threat of him cooperating with terrorists is gone we can find other ways to stop terrorists from getting a foot hold in Iraq, mainly bombing.

The only thing I would like to hear from Rush is

"I will never be on the radio ever again and will keep my hypocritical mouth shut forever"

How anyone can ever listen to stooge creep like him is beyone insanity.. you just outed yourself.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Strk
The only baloney here is your attempt to put words in other people's mouths. Who said it's the US killing 3,000+ a month?

Are you saying that you were not implying that the 3,000+/month are the USA's fault?

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: dna
What a bunch of baloney... you people keep talking as if US soldiers are excuting 3,000 Iraqis every month.

Too bad we don't see people like you talk as vociferously against the leaders of the Shiias and Sunnis, and against the meddling -- as in promoting violence -- of Iran and Syria.

Noone is saying that, but the blood of these people is on our hands. We are responsible for security, we brought our WoT to the Iraqi people. We allowed chaos to reign and these religious warlords to create their private armies, we fired virtually all civil servants, police, and army personnel. We didn't secure the munitions dumps. We went in with no plan and relied on Chalabi to take the reigns. We destroyed their country, this will haunt us for decades.

This is our legacy, special thanks to Rummy and Bremer.