Iran's Supreme Leader vows no inspections

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blastingcap

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Ah, yes.

Snapshot™ reality.

Ignore the coup the US and UK organized in Iran in 1953.

Ignore that we installed a brutal dictator who ruled Iran and tortured Iranians for 26 years.

Now that we've done that...

Lights!

Camera!

Action!

1979! Iranian Sin!

(Oh, yeah, we're going to go ahead and need to ignore the US selling...Saddam Hussein... chemical weapons in the 1980s. You know, the chemical weapons he went ahead and used on Iranian soldiers and his own people).

And now! Ohhh, The entire country of Iran chants "Death to America". Or something.

(Oh, yeah, let's go ahead and add to the ignore list John McCain's "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran" jingoism. Because, you know, we're practicing Snapshot™ history.)

Axis of Evil! Ahhh!

RUN!

Right. I love how reality is constantly ignored for US Empire Snapshot™ reality that allows us to project our military anywhere we want at any time because of "US Interests".

Quick!

Name the last war Iran started in the past 2000 years.

I'll wait here!

Don't be daft, Iran has had endless wars with the Ottomans over the past 2000 years, just for starters. Not all defensive.

More recently, Iran sends proxies like Hezbollah or Shia militias like the ones it funded and ordered to attack US troops. Iranian ammunition, weapons were literally traced to them; same as in Yemen now, where Iran smuggled money and weapons to the Houthis (albeit not to the degree the Saudis are claiming). The list goes on and on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terrorism

If the US is like the schoolyard bully who beats you up with his own hands, then Iran is like the queen bitch who won't publicly dirty her own hands, but instead gets intermediaries to do her dirty work. That doesn't make Iran more noble at all.

Iran has also done its share of bombings, assassinations, etc. including the current Supreme Leader who personally ordered the assassination of Kurdish rivals. (Many people don't realize that the Iranian revolution was not an Islamic revolution, but a revolution driven by many factions. The Islamists murdered their rivals and consolidated power after the Shah was overthrown.) And to this day, the Iranian theocracy still ruthlessly suppresses minorities and supports the worst "religion" to ever grace the planet, a death cult of personality which cannot evolve thanks to the central tenets like infallible Mohammed, infallible Quran. Other religions can have Reformations; Islam cannot, because it is so literal and so chained to the ancient past (1400 years ago) via a book that you can't question, unlike the Bible which most scholars agree has been written and rewritten by mortals. It is possible for some religions to evolve. Islam is not one of them; it is an evolutionary dead-end.

Of course the US has blood on its hands too. I don't think people are ignoring US interference per se, just that it happened so long ago, and Iran has done a lot of harm since then, making it hard to sympathize with them.

If Iran won't stop chasing a nuke, the end result will be Saudi Arabia also arming itself with nukes. If suicidal religious Saudi nutcases successfully revolt and gain access to a nuclear arsenal, I hope their first target is Iran for not stopping its nuclear program in the early 21st century.
 
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Genx87

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Destroy their military
Decapitate their government
Cripple their infrastructure (transportation, power, water, etc.)
Destroy their entire nuclear program through whatever means necessary
Leave them a seething mob of Islamist hatred, fighting each other for control

That'd buy us at least 25 years and could be accomplished in a couple weeks.

Oh you mean like Iraq? That bought us 10 years at the cost of trillions of dollars and 6k dead before something more menacing rose from the ashes.
 
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Jhhnn

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They're chanting "death to America" in the streets and developing nuclear bombs while threatening to wipe Israel off the map and close the strait of Hormuz. There are plenty of reasons. Shit, go back to the embassy hostages during the revolution, they were never made to atone for that sin and there's been plenty since then.

The youth of Iran had their chance at revolution in the last decade. I understand that they're not all bad people, and that many of them even love America. But their nation is off the rails, and something has to be done.

Heh. Standard Hasbara demonization. That's not moral justification at all, just a rationale for aggression.

They said bad things! They looked at us funny! They want the Bomb!
 

cabri

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Standard Hasbara bullshit. Every new Israeli settlement is an act of war against the Palestinians, accomplished at gunpoint. What piece will they take next?

If Israel wants peace, the first thing they need to do is quit taking.

Maybe the Palestinians also need to stop attacking.

Both sides need to stand done.

The Palestinians rulers/sponsors will not accept it; they need the conflict to justify their existence.
 

cabri

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Nobody knew how big the Iraqi military was, but we knew it was poorly equipped.
Three weeks later, American forces were starting to move into Bagdad

Prior to GW-I, they were the best equipped at the time from the Soviet supply chain. Many considered them better than NK and skill level better than China.

However, their doctrine was Soviet.

GW-II showed that lessons learned by Iraq were incomplete
 

Jhhnn

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Maybe the Palestinians also need to stop attacking.

Both sides need to stand done.

The Palestinians rulers/sponsors will not accept it; they need the conflict to justify their existence.

Please. Taking more Palestinian territory in ongoing fashion cannot be justified as any sort of peace making gesture. It's entirely within the power of the Israeli govt to stop. It's a necessary first step towards peace & the Israelis simply refuse to do so.

Palestinian actions in no way alter that reality no matter how badly you want to believe otherwise.
 

Orignal Earl

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Prior to GW-I, they were the best equipped at the time from the Soviet supply chain. Many considered them better than NK and skill level better than China.

However, their doctrine was Soviet.

GW-II showed that lessons learned by Iraq were incomplete

That's fine, but it's not what Nebor posted
 

cabri

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Please. Taking more Palestinian territory in ongoing fashion cannot be justified as any sort of peace making gesture. It's entirely within the power of the Israeli govt to stop. It's a necessary first step towards peace & the Israelis simply refuse to do so.

Palestinian actions in no way alter that reality no matter how badly you want to believe otherwise.

This has become a tangent; derailing the original thread;

I should not have responded to the original derailment attempt.


Iran wants what they can get and people are willing to give it to them in return for empty promises.

The purchase of aircraft this past week demonstrates such.
 

Jhhnn

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This has become a tangent; derailing the original thread;

I should not have responded to the original derailment attempt.


Iran wants what they can get and people are willing to give it to them in return for empty promises.

The purchase of aircraft this past week demonstrates such.

Israel is central to American actions in the ME. Their treatment of the Palestinians is central to the issues they have w/ Iran, given that no territorial dispute is possible. That makes it all central to our own issues w/ Iran.

Accusing Iran of empty promises? That coming from a practitioner of Hasbara on behalf of a "peace seeking" Israel?

The only thing going for you there is raw & well conditioned emotional response.

Oh God! They bought airplanes! That proves they're being dishonest!

You're just flinging any turd you can find at this point.
 

cabri

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Obama and Kerry as wells as the others "negotiators" have thrown Israel under the bus w/ respect to Iran.

Which is what Iran needs - no ties/conditions to Iran's actions outside the nuclear concern.
Terror support and export are being ignored by all.

The West went after Russian on Ukraine harder than they have w/ respect to Iran funding and supplying Hamas/Hezbollah and radical Shites against the Sunni Arab states.