Iran's role in the Iraqi Insurgency

[eilute]

Gates: U.S. can prove Iran's Iraq role

SEVILLE, Spain - Serial numbers and markings on explosives used in
Iraq provide "pretty good" evidence that Iranians are providing either weapons or technology for militants there, Defense Secretary Robert Gates asserted Friday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070209/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/gates

Yeah. It's good evidence. Unfortunately, Iraqi insurgents have also been found to be using American made weapons and uniforms. By this logic, the United States would also be implicated in aiding the insurgency. Furthermore, so 50,000 refuges have fled to Iran, 500,000 to Syria, and 500,000 to Jordan. It would not be far fetched to conclude that some of those have returned to what they consider their home, and brought supplies with them.

The article continues:

Gates said Friday, "I don't think there was surprise that the Iranians were actually involved, I think there was surprise we actually picked up some."

A brilliant conclusion from Bush's new mouth piece. This guy is a puppet. I just love the way this administration tells us that there are no plans to attack Iran, and then turns around and tells us that Iran is killing Americans.

This whole war policy in Iraq was and continues to be a disaster. In my opinion, blaming this on another country is dishonest.

 

[Red Dawn]

I don't doubt that Iran has something to do with it. They see how our policy has failed big time and have siezed on an opportunity. I doubt they are the reason it has failed so miserably, that fails directly on the shoulders of Bush and his Neo Con Handlers.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: eilute

Gates: U.S. can prove Iran's Iraq role

SEVILLE, Spain - Serial numbers and markings on explosives used in
Iraq provide "pretty good" evidence that Iranians are providing either weapons or technology for militants there, Defense Secretary Robert Gates asserted Friday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070209/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/gates

Yeah. It's good evidence. Unfortunately, Iraqi insurgents have also been found to be using American made weapons and uniforms. By this logic, the United States would also be implicated in aiding the insurgency. Furthermore, so 50,000 refuges have fled to Iran, 500,000 to Syria, and 500,000 to Jordan. It would not be far fetched to conclude that some of those have returned to what they consider their home, and brought supplies with them.

The article continues:

Gates said Friday, "I don't think there was surprise that the Iranians were actually involved, I think there was surprise we actually picked up some."

A brilliant conclusion from Bush's new mouth piece. This guy is a puppet. I just love the way this administration tells us that there are no plans to attack Iran, and then turns around and tells us that Iran is killing Americans.

This whole war policy in Iraq was and continues to be a disaster. In my opinion, blaming this on another country is dishonest.

What? Pointing out the fact that Iran is operating in Iraq is dishonest? How? Sure Iraq is a mess but I don't see Congress doing anything about it either. They won't pull out anymore than Bush will. Its far easier for both sides to not make a decision than to make one.

I was hoping with Democrats in power they would have the balls to set a drop dead date. Apparently it was the same old crap both sides do in elections, promise something to get in and then claim "there are some difficulties"



As to the puppet comment, apparently anyone who works for Bush and agrees with him is a puppet. Is that the right assumption to make? I do know that if a minority works for him he is a puppet and race traitor. I am just trying to clear any misconceptions I have. 🙂

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Shivetya
I do know that if a minority works for him he is a puppet and race traitor.

Why would you call them that?

 

[Aimster]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16960641/site/newsweek/

That basically proves the U.S has no evidence that can be directly linked to the Iran govt.

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I don't doubt that Iran has something to do with it. They see how our policy has failed big time and have siezed on an opportunity. I doubt they are the reason it has failed so miserably, that fails directly on the shoulders of Bush and his Neo Con Handlers.

This was one of the primary reasons the planners wanted to avoid trying march into Baghdad. Too bad junior didn't listen to his dad. They foresaw this situation and now it's come to pass and these idiots act like they're surprised. Only the uninformed and/or dishonest are surprised.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Shivetya
I do know that if a minority works for him he is a puppet and race traitor.

Why would you call them that?

Not me, thats the rule applied to minorities that work for Bush, doubly so if they agree with him.

I was just pointing out the idiocy of his point, anyone who works for Bush who agrees for his boss is merely a puppet.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Shivetya
I was just pointing out the idiocy of his point.

How does posting like an idiot point out the idiocy of another?

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Shivetya
I do know that if a minority works for him he is a puppet and race traitor.

Why would you call them that?

Not me, thats the rule applied to minorities that work for Bush, doubly so if they agree with him.

I was just pointing out the idiocy of his point, anyone who works for Bush who agrees for his boss is merely a puppet.

You really need to ask yourself: Who's using who?

 

[Lemon law]

Now Gates is reverting back to what he was somewhat questioned about---namely being an shill for distorted intelligence. But the Country was so glad to be rid of Rummy, that anyone would look good in comparison.

Anyone who thinks about the consequences of Iran aiding the Iraq insurgency in any SIGNIFICANT way, has to realize that the resulting US death tolls would skyrocket---since that is not happening---there goes that assumption. Although tangential small leaks of Iranian arms are almost inevitable given a thriving black market in arms.

My fears are that jerks like Gates will be used by GWB&co. to stampede this country into widening this Iraqi blunder into an disaster of a far greater magnitude. So I warn all it may be coming to a television screen near you---an all out sales campaign
to sell you an Iranian war----even as I speak---US naval assets are very close to being in place for an all out potential bombing of Iran.

SO FOR GOD SAKES THINK---WOULD YOU BUY ANOTHER WAR FROM GWB&CO.???-------NOW AND WITHOUT QUESTION---THE BEST COLLECTIVE LIARS OF THE 21'TH CENTURY.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I don't doubt that Iran has something to do with it. They see how our policy has failed big time and have siezed on an opportunity. I doubt they are the reason it has failed so miserably, that fails directly on the shoulders of Bush and his Neo Con Handlers.

This was one of the primary reasons the planners wanted to avoid trying march into Baghdad. Too bad junior didn't listen to his dad. They foresaw this situation and now it's come to pass and these idiots act like they're surprised. Only the uninformed and/or dishonest are surprised.

Your simplistic view is cute.
I think Bush was equally worried the Arab coalition he put together would fail when we invaded and conquered Iraq.

 

[piasabird]

If Iran can get away with interfering in Lebanon, it is only logical that they are interfering in Iraq. We have caught some Iranian officials in Iraq, that claimed to have diplomatic immunity, and we let them go. So there is not question that they are interfering in Iraq, that explosive devices from Iran are being used in IED's has also been proven. Iran is interfering in every country in the Middle East.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: piasabird
If Iran can get away with interfering in Lebanon, it is only logical that they are interfering in Iraq. We have caught some Iranian officials in Iraq, that claimed to have diplomatic immunity, and we let them go. So there is not question that they are interfering in Iraq, that explosive devices from Iran are being used in IED's has also been proven. Iran is interfering in every country in the Middle East.

I guess we should tell them to stop interfering with our interfering though I doubt they'll listen.It seems we find ouselves in a quandry of not really being able to do much about it. I wonder what steps we should have taken at the begining of our invasion to prevent them from getting involved.

 

[eilute]

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: eilute

Gates: U.S. can prove Iran's Iraq role

SEVILLE, Spain - Serial numbers and markings on explosives used in
Iraq provide "pretty good" evidence that Iranians are providing either weapons or technology for militants there, Defense Secretary Robert Gates asserted Friday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070209/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/gates

Yeah. It's good evidence. Unfortunately, Iraqi insurgents have also been found to be using American made weapons and uniforms. By this logic, the United States would also be implicated in aiding the insurgency. Furthermore, so 50,000 refuges have fled to Iran, 500,000 to Syria, and 500,000 to Jordan. It would not be far fetched to conclude that some of those have returned to what they consider their home, and brought supplies with them.

The article continues:

Gates said Friday, "I don't think there was surprise that the Iranians were actually involved, I think there was surprise we actually picked up some."

A brilliant conclusion from Bush's new mouth piece. This guy is a puppet. I just love the way this administration tells us that there are no plans to attack Iran, and then turns around and tells us that Iran is killing Americans.

This whole war policy in Iraq was and continues to be a disaster. In my opinion, blaming this on another country is dishonest.

What? Pointing out the fact that Iran is operating in Iraq is dishonest? How? Sure Iraq is a mess but I don't see Congress doing anything about it either. They won't pull out anymore than Bush will. Its far easier for both sides to not make a decision than to make one.

I was hoping with Democrats in power they would have the balls to set a drop dead date. Apparently it was the same old crap both sides do in elections, promise something to get in and then claim "there are some difficulties"

There is not conclusive evidence to show that Iran is operating in Iraq. They say they have found IEDs with parts that were manufactured in Iran. As I pointed out in the original post, the insurgents are also using weapons, firearms, that were manufactured in the U.S. and imported after 2003 by the United States military. Is the U.S. military also supporting the insurgency? What I think is dishonest, is that Gates has reached the extraordinary conclusion that Iran is involved, without having sufficient evidence to do so.

I am calling Gates a puppet because his current policy for Iraq is contrary to the policy proposed in the Iraq Study Group's report. This was a report that he took a part in making.

 

[eilute]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I don't doubt that Iran has something to do with it. They see how our policy has failed big time and have siezed on an opportunity. I doubt they are the reason it has failed so miserably, that fails directly on the shoulders of Bush and his Neo Con Handlers.

An opportunity is not evidence of Iranian involvement.

 

[eilute]

Originally posted by: piasabird
If Iran can get away with interfering in Lebanon, it is only logical that they are interfering in Iraq.

It is not logical. Basically you're saying this:

w implies x
w
therefore z

We have caught some Iranian officials in Iraq, that claimed to have diplomatic immunity, and we let them go.

This is irrelevant.

So there is not question that they are interfering in Iraq, that explosive devices from Iran are being used in IED's has also been proven.

This is possible. The claim, however, has not been held up to any scrutiny.

Iran is interfering in every country in the Middle East.

This is also irrelevant. It is also baseless. We are talking about Iraq.

 

[Antisocial Virge]

If China invaded Mexico I'm pretty sure Mexico would have American guns.
Also, didn't we sell/give weapons to Iraq to be used in the Iraq/Iran war?

 

[Jhhnn]

Lemon Law pretty much hit the nail on thehead-

Anyone who thinks about the consequences of Iran aiding the Iraq insurgency in any SIGNIFICANT way, has to realize that the resulting US death tolls would skyrocket---since that is not happening---there goes that assumption. Although tangential small leaks of Iranian arms are almost inevitable given a thriving black market in arms.

Iranian industry also exports arms, to a variety of nations, just like the US. Once those arms are sold, the seller has no control over them...

The Bush faction is desperately seeking to blame somebody, anybody, other than themselves for their Iraqi fiasco. Blaming the Iranians is convenient, and also serves their ends of creating a wider conflict in the region to attempt regime change in Iran.

It's the same mumbo-jumbo used in the runup to the invasion of Iraq- same whore, different dress.

Gates? Gates has the same level of integrity as virtually all high level Bush appointees- none whatsoever.

 

[eilute]

The story is now on a huge number of major news sources. Here's one posted today on MSNBC

U.S.: Top Iran officials ordering bombs to Iraq
Instructions to send weapons parts came from 'highest levels', officer says

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17097658/

There are a lot of accusations, but little in the way of evidence. It's a big logical jump to say that the Iranian government is involved. For some reason every news source seems to be printing it. Knowing U.S. "intelligence" the Farsi writing on those weapons parts is probably Chinese or Hebrew.

 

[jpeyton]

Uh oh, the road to Operation Iranian Liberation has begun!

Get ready for another war folks.

Maybe Bush can use his wartime powers to delay the next presidential elections until 2012?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Uh oh, the road to Operation Iranian Liberation has begun!

Get ready for another war folks.

Maybe Bush can use his wartime powers to delay the next presidential elections until 2012?

Yeah right, like Bush or any of his handlers have an ounce of credibility after the BS they pulled to get us into Iraq.

 

[eilute]

Well apparently CNN, MSNBC, The Washington Post, Fox News, and the Washington Times feel it's okay to post BS news stories on their web sites.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: eilute
Well apparently CNN, MSNBC, The Washington Post, Fox News, and the Washington Times feel it's okay to post BS news stories on their web sites.

They did so regularly in the run-up to attacking Iraq. Why would they be more responsible this time?


Lot's of accusations, some of them may even be true. I'll start believing them when I see them reported by independent, credible sources. Until then, stories citing "senior defense officials" and "defense analysts" should be taken with a bag of salt, doubly so when the sources are anonymous. For all we know, it may just be Dick Cheney and that sole defense analyst who insisted the aluminum tubes were best suited for uranium enrichment, pulling stuff out of their asses again.

 

[piasabird]

I would not expect and Liberal News source to be Credible or independent.

 

[eilute]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: eilute
Well apparently CNN, MSNBC, The Washington Post, Fox News, and the Washington Times feel it's okay to post BS news stories on their web sites.

They did so regularly in the run-up to attacking Iraq. Why would they be more responsible this time?


Lot's of accusations, some of them may even be true. I'll start believing them when I see them reported by independent, credible sources. Until then, stories citing "senior defense officials" and "defense analysts" should be taken with a bag of salt, doubly so when the sources are anonymous. For all we know, it may just be Dick Cheney and that sole defense analyst who insisted the aluminum tubes were best suited for uranium enrichment, pulling stuff out of their asses again.

Don't get me wrong. I think that they have their facts straight, it's just that they are reporting about hearsay. Anyone can sit in an office in Washington and fabricate completely false accusations. The news services are giving much too much credibility to their sources.