Iranian Video: Israel Must Be Destroyed For Mahdi

[kylebisme]

In '08 he wanted the exact wording of the so called peace/truce treaty between Israel and Hamas.

Because it was never offically published; he would not accept the published intent/description that was in the media; nor the statements from Hamas spokemen.

No, the issue was that you were claiming Hamas agreed to act as Kapos against other Palestinians who chose to fire rockets at Israel, so I asked you to produce a source to support your delusion, and of course you couldn't do anything of the sort.

 

[Matt1970]

On what grounds do you contend Reagan's "ash heap of history" is different than the "vanish from the pages of time" which Ahmadinejad quoted from Khomeini?

Well, they basicly are ash heaps right now. Nice stretch though. Reagan wanted to end Marxism and Leninism, not wipe their people off the face of the planet. Oh, and BTW, if you are seriously trying to defend Iran's actions, fuck off.

 

[Abwx]

Even back through history, there is very little that Religion teaches, it only attacks peoples weaknesses, or perfumes their excesses.

-John

You speak very well but you don t have an historical view.
Progress didn t came overnight, it was a painfull, bloody path
that is still in its infancy since we have a world that is
scattered by conflicts.

You seems to be an anarchist, but true anarchy mandate
a very high intellectual and also spiritual level that is still
out of reach for most of us..

 

[Abwx]

Well, they basicly are ash heaps right now. Nice stretch though. Reagan wanted to end Marxism and Leninism, not wipe their people off the face of the planet. Oh, and BTW, if you are seriously trying to defend Iran's actions, fuck off.

Did the iranian president say that he wanted to wipe
out the jews from the face of the planet...?..
He said "regime" , not "jews"..

Indeed, there are 30 000 jews living in Iran..

Yeah, stretching..you know a lot about it apparently.

 

[Zorkorist]

You speak very well but you don t have an historical view.
Progress didn t came overnight, it was a painfull, bloody path
that is still in its infancy since we have a world that is
scattered by conflicts.

You seems to be an anarchist, but true anarchy mandate
a very high intellectual and also spiritual level that is still
out of reach for most of us..

I think that in today's world, we can discount Religion.

Government is where it is at, as at least Government allows for discourse, while Religion does not.

-John

 

[kylebisme]

Oh, and BTW, if you are seriously trying to defend Iran's actions, fuck off.

As I said previously in this thread, I'm no fan of the Iranian regime. However, I am a fan of reality, and I contend you have no reason to be so hostile towards it. I'm curious, were you one of the many who slandered those of us who debunked the propaganda which was used to dupe us into Iraq by branding us as Saddam lovers too? Either way, did you not learn anything from that?

 

[Abwx]

I think that in today's world, we can discount Religion.

Government is where it is at, as at least Government allows for discourse, while Religion does not.

-John

But your "democratic" governement killed 650 000 civilians in Iraq in 2003
under false pretenses in a totally illegal war...

And the same gov. , a few years earlier said explicitly that 500 000
iraqi childs dead because of tight sanctions during the 90s
was a worthy thing...

Is that what you call progress and enlightment ?..

Because your governement kills innocents only on foreign soil,
you find yourself supporting this exportation of fascism..

 

[kylebisme]

Because your governement kills innocents only on foreign soil...

Not just on foreign soil, this being one notable example.

 

[Zorkorist]

Our Government went into Iraq after 9/1/01.

Religious people, namely the Taliban attacked us.

There is no winning with you, a person, demolished by Religion, or Country.

The simple fact is that you attacked us first.

-John

 

[Matt1970]

But your "democratic" governement killed 650 000 civilians in Iraq in 2003
under false pretenses in a totally illegal war...

And the same gov. , a few years earlier said explicitly that 500 000
iraqi childs dead because of tight sanctions during the 90s
was a worthy thing...

Is that what you call progress and enlightment ?..

Because your governement kills innocents only on foreign soil,
you find yourself supporting this exportation of fascism..

Those numbers are so false and only supported by Al Jazeera.

 

[Matt1970]

As I said previously in this thread, I'm no fan of the Iranian regime. However, I am a fan of reality, and I contend you have no reason to be so hostile towards it. I'm curious, were you one of the many who slandered those of us who debunked the propaganda which was used to dupe us into Iraq by branding us as Saddam lovers too? Either way, did you not learn anything from that?

"They have invented a myth that Jews were massacred and place this above God, religions and the prophets."
"Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury"
"no doubt the new wave [of attacks] in Palestine will soon wipe off this disgraceful blot from the face of the Islamic world"

I am sure he means well.

 

[kylebisme]

Our Government went into Iraq after 9/1/01.

Religious people, namely the Taliban attacked us.

The taliban is in Afganistan, not Iraq, and do you have any evidence to support your claim that they attacked us? Furthermore they suggested they would hand over bin Laden if presented with proof that he was behind the attacks, and repated that offer many times, as a Google search easily demonstrates.

There is no winning with you, a person, demolished by Religion, or Country.

The simple fact is that you attacked us first.

Who exactly is this "you" that you are ranting at here?

Those numbers are so false and only supported by Al Jazeera.

Actually, the numbers he is citing are from peer-reviewed studies published in The Lancet, one of the most established medical journals around.

I am sure he means well.

How could one rightly be sure of anything when just parroting off translations of dubious origin? Also, I'm still curious, were you one of the many who slandered people as Saddam lovers for debunking the propaganda which was used to dupe us into into Iraq?

 

[Matt1970]

Actually, the numbers he is citing are from peer-reviewed studies published in The Lancet, one of the most established medical journals around.

How could one rightly be sure of anything when just parroting off translations of dubious origin? Also, I'm still curious, were you one of the many who slandered people as Saddam lovers for debunking the propaganda which was used to dupe us into into Iraq?

Even by those numbers which are widely disputed even by the Iraq Ministry of Health:

The second survey[2][3][4] published on 11 October 2006, estimated 654,965 excess deaths related to the war, or 2.5% of the population, through the end of June 2006. The new study applied similar methods and involved surveys between May 20 and July 10, 2006.[4] More households were surveyed, allowing for a 95% confidence interval of 392,979 to 942,636 excess Iraqi deaths. 601,027 deaths (range of 426,369 to 793,663 using a 95% confidence interval) were due to violence. 31% (186,318) of those were attributed to the Coalition, 24% (144,246) to others, and 46% (276,472) unknown. The causes of violent deaths were gunshot (56% or 336,575), car bomb (13% or 78,133), other explosion/ordnance (14%), air strike (13% or 78,133), accident (2% or 12,020), and unknown (2%).

He said specificly we killed 650 000 civilians in Iraq.

 

[Zebo]

1 is too many for a war of folly. Amazing we spend 2-3 trillion there, on people who just as well slice our throats as look at us while we crumble and teachers worried about next paycheck.

 

[Abwx]

Our Government went into Iraq after 9/1/01.

Religious people, namely the Taliban attacked us.

There is no winning with you, a person, demolished by Religion, or Country.

The simple fact is that you attacked us first.

-John

That is complete non sense...
What iraq has to do with 911 ????

But thank you, you just confirm what we all know,
this war was possible only because of the racism of a
large part of US citizenry...

 

[Abwx]

Those numbers are so false and only supported by Al Jazeera.

So what are the numbers ?...
In fact this doesn t matter for people like you since
what motivate you is racism....

The arabs have replaced the black us people as people
to be considered as sub human..
KKK ideology is alive and well...

 

[Matt1970]

So what are the numbers ?...
In fact this doesn t matter for people like you since
what motivate you is racism....

The arabs have replaced the black us people as people
to be considered as sub human..
KKK ideology is alive and well...

How the fuck am I racist your 3rd grade idiot?

What you claim: But your "democratic" governement killed 650 000 civilians in Iraq in 2003

Even the most exaggerated numbers: 186,318 were attributed to the Coalition

An even smaller number would be civilians vs Sadam army and Insurgents.

Ya know, I am trying to see things from your point of view but I just can’t seem to jam my head up my own ass.

 

[Abwx]

How the fuck am I racist your 3rd grade idiot?

What you claim: But your "democratic" governement killed 650 000 civilians in Iraq in 2003

Even the most exaggerated numbers: 186,318 were attributed to the Coalition

An even smaller number would be civilians vs Sadam army and Insurgents.

Ya know, I am trying to see things from your point of view but I just can’t seem to jam my head up my own ass.

Check the numbers given by NGOs...

Do you really think that the coalition numbers are exagerated ????

Their interest is rather to downplay as much as possible, so
dont tell me that you are that gullible, unless you did get
your numbers by Faux News well known accuracy ???...

About 4500 killed and 38 000 wounded in the ranks of the US army.

In "modern" conflicts the death rate of civilians is about
1 military for 100 civilians, and surely more in this case.

 

[Matt1970]

Check the numbers given by NGOs...

Do you really think that the coalition numbers are exagerated ????

Their interest is rather to downplay as much as possible, so
dont tell me that you are that gullible, unless you did get
your numbers by Faux News well known accuracy ???...

About 4500 killed and 38 000 wounded in the ranks of the US army.

In "modern" conflicts the death rate of civilians is about
1 military for 100 civilians, and surely more in this case.

My numbers came from Lancet Survey just so I would be playing on your level. That survey estimated 654,965 excess deaths related to the war, or 2.5% of the population. Of those numbers 31% (186,318) were attributed to the Coalition.

Some other numbers:

Iraq Family Health Survey 151,000 deaths
Associated Press 110,600 deaths
WikiLeaks. Classified Iraq war logs 104,924 recorded iraqi deaths
Iraq Body Count project 98,170 — 107,152
The Health Ministry of the Iraqi government 87,215

Not one single number came from Fox News.

The Opinion Research Business (ORB) poll polled 2000 families asking if they lost family members. The poll failed to differentiate between households and extended families duplicating many results. The ORB poll has been the most criticized findings to date.

Now, you called me a racist and a KKK member. You don’t know a fucking thing about me. I have made no inference to race, or color in any post I have made. You accusations are childish immature dribbling reeking of immaturity. Your numbers have been debunked, your theory has been debunked, and your intelligence has been debunked. Now, Fuck off.

 

[Abwx]

My numbers came from Lancet Survey just so I would be playing on your level. That survey estimated 654,965 excess deaths related to the war, or 2.5% of the population. Of those numbers 31% (186,318) were attributed to the Coalition.

Some other numbers:

Iraq Family Health Survey 151,000 deaths
Associated Press 110,600 deaths
WikiLeaks. Classified Iraq war logs 104,924 recorded iraqi deaths
Iraq Body Count project 98,170 — 107,152
The Health Ministry of the Iraqi government 87,215

Not one single number came from Fox News.

The Opinion Research Business (ORB) poll polled 2000 families asking if they lost family members. The poll failed to differentiate between households and extended families duplicating many results. The ORB poll has been the most criticized findings to date.

Now, you called me a racist and a KKK member. You don’t know a fucking thing about me. I have made no inference to race, or color in any post I have made. You accusations are childish immature dribbling reeking of immaturity. Your numbers have been debunked, your theory has been debunked, and your intelligence has been debunked. Now, Fuck off.

Your numbers are from wikipedia, so i ll put the list again, but
completely.........


Iraq Family Health Survey151,000 deaths

Lancet survey601,027 violent deaths out of 654,965 excess deaths

Opinion Research Business survey1,033,000 deaths as a result of the conflict

Associated Press110,600 deaths


Iraq Body Count project98,170 — 107,152 civilian deaths as a result of the conflict. 150,726 civilian and combatant deaths[1]

WikiLeaks. Classified Iraq war logs[1][2][3][4]104,924 recorded iraqi deaths, including 92,003[5] (or 66,081[6]) civilian deaths.


the number of deaths the morgue registers never corresponds with numbers from the Ministry of Health or the Ministry of Interior. "They do it on purpose", he says. "I would go home and look at the news. The ministry would say 10 people got killed all over Iraq, while I had received in that day more than 50 dead bodies just in Baghdad. It's always been like that — they would say one thing but the reality was much worse."[135

A January 10, 2008, Washington Post article reported: "Previous research has shown that household surveys typically miss 30 to 50 percent of deaths.

 

[Abwx]

Now, you called me a racist and a KKK member. You don’t know a fucking thing about me. I have made no inference to race, or color in any post I have made. You accusations are childish immature dribbling reeking of immaturity. Your numbers have been debunked, your theory has been debunked, and your intelligence has been debunked. Now, Fuck off.

Right that KKK is somewhat exagerated, hope you didn t
take it too seriously, as it s true that this organisation
has a very negative image and treating a US people
of KKK is surely as insulting as a current german that would
be branded a nazi....

 

[Matt1970]

You don't see a commonality around the 100K mark? You just chose to go with the number that better suited your cause.

 

[Abwx]

You don't see a commonality around the 100K mark? You just chose to go with the number that better suited your cause.

I could say the same for you, it s just that i don t trust
the US gov. and its affiliated body counts organism,
including an embattled US press...
They lied about the so called WMD, why would they be more
credible when reporting the deaths ratios???..