Iranian President's speech in a few minutes

[everman]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Wiping Israel off the map doesn't mean killing Jews.

It also does not mean killing civilians inside Israel.

In that same speech, he was talking about zionist and how the people of Israel need to rise up against it. He said Muslims Jews and Christians need to come together to fight Zionism.

He is basically against any kind of Jewish state in the M.E. Because Israel is just that, a religious state.

Israel has stated the regime of Iran as barbaric and better off not existing, Iran's President said the same thing in his own wording. Yet, the media makes it appear as if he is anti-Jew.

If he was anti-Jew, the Jews in Iran would be squashed

I didn't want to get involved in this, but this intrigued me. How do you "wipe Israel off the map" without a single person in Israel being killed? They have guns, lots of them, nukes too, and tanks, and war planes, and don't seem too interested in leaving either. I don't think they'd agree to handing over control of the government to Palestinians and changing the name to Palestine either.

If you can really do this, you should be the new Secretary General of the U.N., you'd bring peace to the middle east, win the Nobel Peace prize, and be set for life.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: Aimster

Wiping Israel off the map doesn't mean killing Jews.

It also does not mean killing civilians inside Israel.

In that same speech, he was talking about zionist and how the people of Israel need to rise up against it. He said Muslims Jews and Christians need to come together to fight Zionism.

He is basically against any kind of Jewish state in the M.E. Because Israel is just that, a religious state.

Israel has stated the regime of Iran as barbaric and better off not existing, Iran's President said the same thing in his own wording. Yet, the media makes it appear as if he is anti-Jew.

If he was anti-Jew, the Jews in Iran would be squashed

I didn't want to get involved in this, but this intrigued me. How do you "wipe Israel off the map" without a single person in Israel being killed? They have guns, lots of them, nukes too, and tanks, and war planes, and don't seem too interested in leaving either. I don't think they'd agree to handing over control of the government to Palestinians and changing the name to Palestine either.

If you can really do this, you should be the new Secretary General of the U.N., you'd bring peace to the middle east, win the Nobel Peace prize, and be set for life.

Again, it's not a feasible idea because the Israelis would never have it. But dissolving borders doesn't require people dying in theory, although with the situation in the Middle East, reality would be the exact opposite.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: SecretShadow

Originally posted by: sandorski
None of those excerpts are maniacal.

"We don't agree with killing people" yet they campaign for the absolute destruction and wiping Israel and its people off the map. What about that isn't in the realm of a genocidal, maniac, lunatic, choose whatever word you want? Fine, I'll pick another one....evil.

Israel can be "wiped off the map" without chipping anyone's nail, nevermind killing anyone. It's the territory of Israel, not the people inside that territory he wants gone.

Bingo...we have someone who actually paid attention.

Ahmadinejad has stated he wants "Israel wiped off the history books". Furthermore, in the UN speech, he stated that the creation of Israel was an unlawful act.

He said nothing about killing Jews.

Unlawful or not, the damned country is there now, and it's not just a row in some database that we can delete. The Israelis are serious about being there to stay. Even if the combined military might of the ENTIRE United Nations showed up in Israel tommorrow morning to repossess that chunk of dirt, you can bet DAMN WELL that the IDF, and Israelis in general would fight to the last man, no matter how unwinnable their situation.

Right, but I'm not discussing whether his ideas are feasible; just that he's not talking about gassing Jews.

I never said he was - but it's not certain that it's not what he means, either. Only time can let us know that for sure. The question is if we want to give him that time, or act on conjecture.

Acting on conjecture would be the biggest mistake this country could make...twice.

Not acting on conjecture means waiting until after the fact to do anything. Lets assume for a moment that Norway were massing weapons near their border with Sweden. This went on for years and years and years and nobody every questioned that Norway was just building tanks for the fun of it, because that's what Norway said they were doing.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: Aimster

Wiping Israel off the map doesn't mean killing Jews.

It also does not mean killing civilians inside Israel.

In that same speech, he was talking about zionist and how the people of Israel need to rise up against it. He said Muslims Jews and Christians need to come together to fight Zionism.

He is basically against any kind of Jewish state in the M.E. Because Israel is just that, a religious state.

Israel has stated the regime of Iran as barbaric and better off not existing, Iran's President said the same thing in his own wording. Yet, the media makes it appear as if he is anti-Jew.

If he was anti-Jew, the Jews in Iran would be squashed

I didn't want to get involved in this, but this intrigued me. How do you "wipe Israel off the map" without a single person in Israel being killed? They have guns, lots of them, nukes too, and tanks, and war planes, and don't seem too interested in leaving either. I don't think they'd agree to handing over control of the government to Palestinians and changing the name to Palestine either.

If you can really do this, you should be the new Secretary General of the U.N., you'd bring peace to the middle east, win the Nobel Peace prize, and be set for life.

He told Israel to go pack up and move to Alaska if they want a home for the Jews. He asked the UN to move Israel. He said it was stupid for the UN to allow a Jewish state next to Muslims. He asked the people of Israel to stand up against their zionist government and end the Jewish rule.

Of course he knows Israel will never listen. He is just trying to gain support from the Arab world.

The problem with Israel is Jerusalem. That is a holy city to Jews, Christians and Muslims. Everyone wants it. Of course Muslims want it for themselves.

In other words, Iran's President is a comedian for fanatical muslims.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Aimster
Wiping Israel off the map doesn't mean killing Jews.

It also does not mean killing civilians inside Israel.

Talk about buried in the fvcking sand!

Tell me wise one, who inhabits Israel?

Why would he call for Jews to stand up against the Zionist regime if he wanted them dead?

The common thread in his speeches are a calling out of the Zionist regime in Israel and the Bush administration in the US. He's talking out against the people in power, not talking about mass genocide.

It's basic high school level reading comprehension Pabby.

its called being disengenuous. hateful people like him will try to sound reasonable in public at times to further their cause from the gulliable or niave.

never mind he denies the holocaust...

and yes he supports ethnic clensing, he's suggested moving the jews to europe or canada. he's not for living in peace, his real agenda is getting rid of the jews.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Aimster
Wiping Israel off the map doesn't mean killing Jews.

It also does not mean killing civilians inside Israel.

Talk about buried in the fvcking sand!

Tell me wise one, who inhabits Israel?

Why would he call for Jews to stand up against the Zionist regime if he wanted them dead?

The common thread in his speeches are a calling out of the Zionist regime in Israel and the Bush administration in the US. He's talking out against the people in power, not talking about mass genocide.

It's basic high school level reading comprehension Pabby.

its called being disengenuous. hateful people like him will try to sound reasonable in public at times to further their cause from the gulliable or niave.

never mind he denies the holocaust...

and yes he supports ethnic clensing, he's suggested moving the jews to europe or canada. he's not for living in peace, his real agenda is getting rid of the jews.

Well there are a lot of people who are disengenuous around the world. Actions speak louder than words. So far, we have a pile of evidence they are building nuclear power facilities and zero evidence they are building a nuclear weapon. He hasn't wiped out Jews in Israel.

So things are looking okay so far.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: SecretShadow

Originally posted by: sandorski
None of those excerpts are maniacal.

"We don't agree with killing people" yet they campaign for the absolute destruction and wiping Israel and its people off the map. What about that isn't in the realm of a genocidal, maniac, lunatic, choose whatever word you want? Fine, I'll pick another one....evil.

Israel can be "wiped off the map" without chipping anyone's nail, nevermind killing anyone. It's the territory of Israel, not the people inside that territory he wants gone.

Bingo...we have someone who actually paid attention.

Ahmadinejad has stated he wants "Israel wiped off the history books". Furthermore, in the UN speech, he stated that the creation of Israel was an unlawful act.

He said nothing about killing Jews.

Unlawful or not, the damned country is there now, and it's not just a row in some database that we can delete. The Israelis are serious about being there to stay. Even if the combined military might of the ENTIRE United Nations showed up in Israel tommorrow morning to repossess that chunk of dirt, you can bet DAMN WELL that the IDF, and Israelis in general would fight to the last man, no matter how unwinnable their situation.

Right, but I'm not discussing whether his ideas are feasible; just that he's not talking about gassing Jews.

I never said he was - but it's not certain that it's not what he means, either. Only time can let us know that for sure. The question is if we want to give him that time, or act on conjecture.

Acting on conjecture would be the biggest mistake this country could make...twice.

Not acting on conjecture means waiting until after the fact to do anything. Lets assume for a moment that Norway were massing weapons near their border with Sweden. This went on for years and years and years and nobody every questioned that Norway was just building tanks for the fun of it, because that's what Norway said they were doing.

Yes, you're exactly right. We're 0/1 as far as pre-emptive strikes go. Acting on conjecture leads to situations we don't want to be in. The risk of making another big mistake acting on conjecture in the Middle East would be a costly one for generations to come, especially when we're talking about Iran.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Aimster
Wiping Israel off the map doesn't mean killing Jews.

It also does not mean killing civilians inside Israel.

Talk about buried in the fvcking sand!

Tell me wise one, who inhabits Israel?

Why would he call for Jews to stand up against the Zionist regime if he wanted them dead?

The common thread in his speeches are a calling out of the Zionist regime in Israel and the Bush administration in the US. He's talking out against the people in power, not talking about mass genocide.

It's basic high school level reading comprehension Pabby.

its called being disengenuous. hateful people like him will try to sound reasonable in public at times to further their cause from the gulliable or niave.

never mind he denies the holocaust...

and yes he supports ethnic clensing, he's suggested moving the jews to europe or canada. he's not for living in peace, his real agenda is getting rid of the jews.

Well there are a lot of people who are disengenuous around the world. Actions speak louder than words. So far, we have a pile of evidence they are building nuclear power facilities and zero evidence they are building a nuclear weapon. He hasn't wiped out Jews in Israel.

So things are looking okay so far.

right and before hitler invaded poland everything was ok so far never mind the warnings. their behavior is consistent with having something to hide. just don't be niave.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Aimster
Wiping Israel off the map doesn't mean killing Jews.

It also does not mean killing civilians inside Israel.

Talk about buried in the fvcking sand!

Tell me wise one, who inhabits Israel?

Why would he call for Jews to stand up against the Zionist regime if he wanted them dead?

The common thread in his speeches are a calling out of the Zionist regime in Israel and the Bush administration in the US. He's talking out against the people in power, not talking about mass genocide.

It's basic high school level reading comprehension Pabby.

its called being disengenuous. hateful people like him will try to sound reasonable in public at times to further their cause from the gulliable or niave.

never mind he denies the holocaust...

and yes he supports ethnic clensing, he's suggested moving the jews to europe or canada. he's not for living in peace, his real agenda is getting rid of the jews.

Well there are a lot of people who are disengenuous around the world. Actions speak louder than words. So far, we have a pile of evidence they are building nuclear power facilities and zero evidence they are building a nuclear weapon. He hasn't wiped out Jews in Israel.

So things are looking okay so far.

right and before hitler invaded poland everything was ok so far never mind the warnings. their behavior is consistent with having something to hide. just don't be niave.

Germany was also a superpower with the capability of launching a credible offense against other world superpowers. Iran isn't.

Keep playing the Hitler/Nazi card all you want; it's usually a sign that someone relies less on proof and more on fearmongering.

 

[0roo0roo]

no, he doesn't have to attack other superpowers to do his dirty work. he simply has to create chaos and destroy a country of a meer 6 million. the nazi card fits perfectly well. neville chamberlain asked hitler if he was going to continue aggressions and well, hitler outright lied to him to buy himself time to get his military ready. and the niave chamberland believed and appeased him. whoops. and just so you know, this appeasement in the name of peace was very popular with the people/pope/queen etc. now imagine if hitler was not preparing his military but instead was finishing a nuclear weapon.

 

[DurocShark]

Wow. So much naivety in this thread.

How about I give a speech:

"I want all wealthy people to stand with me and empty their bank accounts into my pockets."

I'm not saying I want to kill wealthy people. I just want them to give me all their money. Of course, who's gonna do that without violence?

That's exactly what the President of Iran is saying.

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Unlawful or not, the damned country is there now, and it's not just a row in some database that we can delete. The Israelis are serious about being there to stay. Even if the combined military might of the ENTIRE United Nations showed up in Israel tommorrow morning to repossess that chunk of dirt, you can bet DAMN WELL that the IDF, and Israelis in general would fight to the last man, no matter how unwinnable their situation.

"Combined military might of the ENTIRE United Nations" = United States military

So somehow I don't think the United States would get involved against Israel.

 

[spaceman]

why cant the world be like epcot center

 

[Queasy]

Typical of leaders like the Iranian President...they say one thing when they are away from their country and something completely different at home.

Death to Israel

More Death to Israel

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Queasy
Typical of leaders like the Iranian President...they say one thing when they are away from their country and something completely different at home.

Death to Israel

More Death to Israel

Also typical is they want to blame all of their country's problems on America. Typical demogouge.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
So far, we have a pile of evidence they are building nuclear power facilities and zero evidence they are building a nuclear weapon. He hasn't wiped out Jews in Israel.

So things are looking okay so far.

I think that the problem with the building of nuclear power facilities is that Iran sits on huge oil and natural gas reserves. It would be much cheaper and easier for them to just use that than to start a nuclear energy program from scratch.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: jpeyton
So far, we have a pile of evidence they are building nuclear power facilities and zero evidence they are building a nuclear weapon. He hasn't wiped out Jews in Israel.

So things are looking okay so far.

I think that the problem with the building of nuclear power facilities is that Iran sits on huge oil and natural gas reserves. It would be much cheaper and easier for them to just use that than to start a nuclear energy program from scratch.

As the price of oil and gas gradually increases, they could sell most of that oil and natural gas to other nations to build national wealth, and use nuclear power to provide a clean and long-lasting source of energy for decades to come.

Eventually, either now or 50 years in the future, all nations will have to come to terms with some type of clean energy source. Many European nations already adopted nuclear power years ago. Iran has every right to do the same.

 

[ockky]

i saw his interview with 60minutes' Mike Wallace probably a month ago, he was pretty impressive to me

 

[hysperion]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Queasy
Typical of leaders like the Iranian President...they say one thing when they are away from their country and something completely different at home.

Death to Israel

More Death to Israel

Also typical is they want to blame all of their country's problems on America. Typical demogouge.

Also typical is how ATOT finds a way to agree with him and blame Bush......