Iranian Presidential elections on June 12

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Lemon law

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Not much to say, but Iranian Presidential elections are scheduled for June 12, 2009.

The following link is a NYT report of a debate between Achmadeinjad and his strongest opponent Mr. Mousssavi.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06...st/04iran.html?_r=1&hp

If nothing else, the debate was lively, and right from the start, Moussavi was on the attack,
hitting the incumbent on the economy and on his various zaniness.

I for one certainly hope Moussavi wins and the world will no longer have Achmadeinjad to kick around.
 

RyanPaulShaffer

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
Not much to say, but Iranian Presidential elections are scheduled for June 12, 2009.

The following link is a NYT report of a debate between Achmadeinjad and his strongest opponent Mr. Mousssavi.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06...st/04iran.html?_r=1&hp

If nothing else, the debate was lively, and right from the start, Moussavi was on the attack,
hitting the incumbent on the economy and on his various zaniness.

I for one certainly hope Moussavi wins and the world will no longer have Achmadeinjad to kick around.

Yeah, boy howdy, poor Ahmadinjead! He is such a nice guy that he is simply being bullied by the US! I mean, it's not like he has constantly said things like "Death to the Great Satan, America!" or repeatedly made claims that the horrific Holocaust is a myth and a lie.

:roll:
 
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Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Not much to say, but Iranian Presidential elections are scheduled for June 12, 2009.

The following link is a NYT report of a debate between Achmadeinjad and his strongest opponent Mr. Mousssavi.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06...st/04iran.html?_r=1&hp

If nothing else, the debate was lively, and right from the start, Moussavi was on the attack,
hitting the incumbent on the economy and on his various zaniness.

I for one certainly hope Moussavi wins and the world will no longer have Achmadeinjad to kick around.

Yeah, boy howdy, poor Ahmadinjead! He is such a nice guy that he is simply being bullied by the US! I mean, it's not like he has constantly said things like "Death to the Great Satan, America!" or made repeatedly made claims that the horrific Holocaust is a myth and a lie.

:roll:

Nor did he say Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth.

And Obama thinks Iran's nuclear desires are legitimate. HA!
 

Atreus21

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If he's defeated by a guy who isn't insane, I'll feel better about us engaging them.
 

Atreus21

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At one point, Mr. Ahmadinejad pulled out a photo of Mr. Moussavi?s wife, Zahra Rahnavard...

Sharp intake of breath...

...and accused her of having entered a graduate program without taking the highly competitive entrance exam.

Relieved exhale.

Might've been Mahmoud "Yeah-I-totally-boned-my-competitor's-wife" Ahmadinejad.

Man, if that'd happened on television, hell, I think I couldn't help myself but to vote for him.
 

frostedflakes

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Things are definitely looking good for the progressives in Iran. Unfortunately I doubt any progressive will be able to enact significant domestic change in Iran, but at the very least it should allow for a more constructive foreign policy. Ahmadinejad's incendiary personality really went a long way to distance Iran from the rest of the western world.

edit: I also wonder how well the progressives would be doing if we still had a president who vilified Iran at every opportunity. Kind of trivializes Ahmadinejad's anti-western rhetoric when a US president gets on Islamic television and speaks to Muslims directly. I don't think a lot of the people here maybe realized this, but I believe everything Obama has done so far wrt Iran has been with the hope that it encourages more progressive leadership to win during the June 12th election. People were criticizing Obama because they didn't believe talking to Ahmadinejad would help, but the whole idea wasn't to talk to Ahmadinejad -- the idea was to get new, more progressive leadership in there to talk to. I'd imagine if the incumbent wins on the 12th our foreign policy with Iran will necessarily become more strict, but if a progressive wins the presidency then hopefully we will be able to have a more constructive foreign policy based on mutual respect.
 

Lemon law

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Originally posted by: StepUp
What about the Ayetollah?

From what I can understand, the Ayetollah(s) are not happy with Achmadinejad, and if the had major objections with any of the candidates running against Achmadeinejad, they would not even be on the ballot in the first place.

Unlike the US office Presidency, the Iranian President is nowhere near as powerful.
 

Freshgeardude

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if this new guy is any good, which I hope, and wants to legitimately make peace with israel, then I may not mind them getting nuclear capabilities for power.
 

Craig234

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I'm surprised no one has noticed the timing of Obama's readching out to the Muslim world.

The better the people of Iran feel towards the US, the worse Amadhinijad(sp) will do.

It's called 'diplomacy' and was just invented as an alternative to 'kill them all', previously the only option one faction in the US knew of.

Edit to add: many on the right don't seem to understand the basics of things like not overreacting to provocation that serves the provoker's interest.

That's how the Croats drew the west into Bosnia - they shot police and teachers until the government reacted strongly enough for them to say "save us from the bad government!"

Indeed, earlier than that, in our own revolution, Sam Adams - a hothead - was privately thrilled when a handful of British kids, terrified by a harrassing mob, shot into the mob and gave him 'a cause' for the revolution, still known today as the 'Boston Massacre', based on their 'overreaction'.

The right still seems largely not to understand the reason 9/11 was done - it was done to cause an overreaction against the Muslim world, in order to stimulate the Muslim world and make them willing to join the ranks of Al Queda. Ironically, 9/11 served the same purpose for the Neocons, who had literally written in their defining document that their desire for power in the Middle East could be greatly accelerated if the Middle Easterners would just give them a 'new Pearl Harbor' to rally around.

Osama wanted the US to invade a Muslim nation, to create the backlash. Bush played into his hands, invading Iraq - saying later he 'remembered how 9/11 felt every day'.

This is why they say these sides 'feed off each other', just as the people who want violence in the Hatlield and McCoy families fed off each other.

A few extremist Al Queda, a few extremist Neocons, and soon the majority of Muslims and Americans find themselves in wars they didn't want serving others' interests.

This is an area learning history helps - how the peace factions in Japan were gradually defeated over years by the war factions with things like our cutting off their oil used to justify war, why the Nazis were able to really seize power by exploiting the fire in the pariliament building, blaming it (falsely) on the communists, again and again how the few who have their own agenda for power manipulate larger groups with 'overreactions'.

Look how the US secretly baited the Soviets into Afghanistan, knowing it would be a costly quagmire for them - a plan revealed much later by Brzenski.

Obama is being the anti-Bush here - reversing the 'shock and awe' diplomacy that helped put this radical president in power in Iran, with an open hand that may remove him.
 

ElFenix

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read the report of the debate last night on CNN. sounds like imadinnerjacket has basically nothing left, but who knows, maybe running his yap about a giant conspiracy against him works in iran.
 

Hacp

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Doesn't the head honcho, allatolla aklamini(spelling?) have the final say?
 
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