Iran Weighs Plan to Cause Oil Spill:

[EagleKeeper]

Iran's latest idea: cause an oil spill in the Persian Gulf that would punish the West and force its leaders to play nice with Tehran, the Jerusalem Post reports. Such a spill would also drive up oil prices, induce Western countries help clean it up, and perhaps lead them to reduce sanctions on Iran. Called "Murky Waters," the scheme was dreamed up by a commander in Iran's Revolutionary Guard. It is currently under consideration on Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's desk, according to an article in today's Der Spiegel.

A more potent threat than a blockade of the straits.

Would such actions make Iran a pariah anyhow or would Iranian supporters blame the west for forcing Iran into such an action?

Link

/edit - forgot link - Thanks SE for reminding vs everyone popping up google.

 

[Juror No. 8]

Compared to the U.S. government's Operation Northwoods, a plan by the Iranians to create an oil spill in the Persian Gulf to bolster their own defense against international aggression is pretty small potatoes.

Maybe the United States can focus on solving domestic problems instead of bombing, invading, and occupying so many countries around the world. Maybe we can stop killing brown people as a matter of national policy?

 

[theevilsharpie]

 

[Rainsford]

It doesn't seem very clear to me how a deliberate oil spill would do all that. Trying to attack western economies with oil prices seems like a ridiculous idea coming from an Iran which not only has a much weaker economy but relies HEAVILY on oil sales to sustain it. I suppose coming up with that sort of "plan" is inevitable though since Iran has basically no other way to fight back.

 

[Darwin333]

A more potent threat than a blockade of the straits.

Would such actions make Iran a pariah anyhow or would Iranian supporters blame the west for forcing Iran into such an action?

Not a very good plan if its posted on ATOT before it happens, just saying....

 

[Darwin333]

Compared to the U.S. government's Operation Northwoods, a plan by the Iranians to create an oil spill in the Persian Gulf to bolster their own defense against international aggression is pretty small potatoes.

Maybe the United States can focus on solving domestic problems instead of bombing, invading, and occupying so many countries around the world. Maybe we can stop killing brown people as a matter of national policy?

It is a matter of our energy policy which has forced us into our current involvement in the ME. Until that changes, and we aren't talking about something that can be done in a year, our military is stuck in the middle east.

 

[Darwin333]

It doesn't seem very clear to me how a deliberate oil spill would do all that. Trying to attack western economies with oil prices seems like a ridiculous idea coming from an Iran which not only has a much weaker economy but relies HEAVILY on oil sales to sustain it. I suppose coming up with that sort of "plan" is inevitable though since Iran has basically no other way to fight back.

I don't believe they are selling (or perhaps its profiting) much oil these days due to the sanctions. At any rate, I can't see how higher oil prices alone would hurt them in any way. Hell, I can't see how it would do anything but help them but then again I don't know the specifics of the sanctions.

 

[Juror No. 8]

It is a matter of our energy policy which has forced us into our current involvement in the ME. Until that changes, and we aren't talking about something that can be done in a year, our military is stuck in the middle east.

Or how about this instead:

Our energy policy, along with the phony "War on Terror", is being used as a convenient excuse for our involvement in the Middle East. And our energy policy is not going to change because we need a good cover story for what we are really doing over there.

 

[blackangst1]

Or how about this instead:

Our energy policy, along with the phony "War on Terror", is being used as a convenient excuse for our involvement in the Middle East. And our energy policy is not going to change because we need a good cover story for what we are really doing over there.

And that would be what exactly?

 

[zanejohnson]

And that would be what exactly?

ummm divide and conquer??? hello???

 

[SandEagle]

did you pull this out of thin air? care to provide a link?

 

[Doppel]

They won't do it. I'm sure there are lots of plans, and US has lots of stupid ones under consideration, too.

It would damn Iran.

 

[Juror No. 8]

And that would be what exactly?

And that's the million-dollar question.

Possible answers:

- Global(ist) empire building
- Protecting America's petrodollar scam/Ponzi scheme
- Removing any last resistance to our hegemony in the region
- Putting the strategic squeeze on Russia and China
- Basic resource exploitation
- Paving the way for Israeli/Zionist domination in the region
- A combination of all the above

 

[Juror No. 8]

did you pull this out of thin air? care to provide a link?

http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.aspx?id=287790

Iran is considering the possibility of spilling oil in the Persian Gulf in order to contaminate the waters of the strategically important Strait of Hormuz, German weekly Der Spiegel reported on Sunday. The spill would be a way of "punishing" the West and forcing it to decrease the economic sanctions imposed against Tehran.

Citing Western intelligence sources, Der Spiegel reported that the plan, codenamed "Murky Waters," is meant to block shipping routes in the Gulf to international oil tankers.

LOL.


Translation: "This was probably made up out of thin air, but we wouldn't dare admit that, so we'll just say it came from intelligence sources".

 

[sandorski]

Wouldn't surprise me if this has been considered. Any nation in Iran's position would consider the same.

 

[Darwin333]

Or how about this instead:

Our energy policy, along with the phony "War on Terror", is being used as a convenient excuse for our involvement in the Middle East. And our energy policy is not going to change because we need a good cover story for what we are really doing over there.

lmfao! What are we "really" doing over there? You mean to tell me that we have some other interest in the shitty pile of sand that is the middle east other than the oil beneath it which is driven by our energy policy? Africa has a shitton of natural resources but ask yourself this, why aren't we assdeep in their politics with a few carrier battle groups off their shores at all times? Why haven't we invaded a few of their countries and used them to setup shop as we have in the middle east?

But please do tell me, what are we really doing over there and if not for the energy, which we must have why in the fuck would we even give a shit about them in the first place?

 

[Darwin333]

And that's the million-dollar question.

Possible answers:

- Global(ist) empire building
- Protecting America's petrodollar scam/Ponzi scheme
- Removing any last resistance to our hegemony in the region
- Putting the strategic squeeze on Russia and China
- Basic resource exploitation
- Paving the way for Israeli/Zionist domination in the region
- A combination of all the above

Lets see, it could be one, or a combination of the above, or it could be that the United States would immediately go into a depression if we were to lose our ME oil supply for even a month or two. Shrug, we all have our opinions but I am going with reason that actually makes sense and isn't crazy.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Or how about this instead:

we need a good cover story for what we are really doing over there.

ohh......ahh.....do I smell a conspiracy theory...please enlighten us....

 

[JEDIYoda]

And that's the million-dollar question.

Possible answers:

- Global(ist) empire building
- Protecting America's petrodollar scam/Ponzi scheme
- Removing any last resistance to our hegemony in the region
- Putting the strategic squeeze on Russia and China
- Basic resource exploitation
- Paving the way for Israeli/Zionist domination in the region
- A combination of all the above

You sure your not related to Anarchist420???

 

[Juror No. 8]

lmfao! What are we "really" doing over there? You mean to tell me that we have some other interest in the shitty pile of sand that is the middle east other than the oil beneath it which is driven by our energy policy?

Why, is such a thought impossible? Is it impossible for our government and the wealthy interests behind it to have an ulterior motive in the Middle East?

Africa has a shitton of natural resources but ask yourself this, why aren't we assdeep in their politics with a few carrier battle groups off their shores at all times? Why haven't we invaded a few of their countries and used them to setup shop as we have in the middle east?

Why didn't the Nazis invade all of Europe and the Soviet Union at the same time? Why did they focus on just one country/region at a time?

Uh, because it would have been logistically impossible and wouldn't have made any sense. There's no point in spreading yourself too thin. Beyond that, invading every country in Africa and the Middle East would be too obviously corrupt for our government to explain.

But please do tell me, what are we really doing over there and if not for the energy, which we must have why in the fuck would we even give a shit about them in the first place?

Dude, this may come as a shock to you, but don't need to invade or occupy countries to procure energy from foreign sources. We could simply buy and/or trade for it without ever having to leave home.

You're speculating just like I am.

 

[Juror No. 8]

Lets see, it could be one, or a combination of the above, or it could be that the United States would immediately go into a depression if we were to lose our ME oil supply for even a month or two. Shrug, we all have our opinions but I am going with reason that actually makes sense and isn't crazy.

LOL.

Tell me, how are we just going to "lose" our Middle East oil supply? You figure OPEC will decide that they no longer want our money and will instead sell it to someone else?

Get real.

 

[Juror No. 8]

ohh......ahh.....do I smell a conspiracy theory...please enlighten us....

There's no such things as conspiracies.

The government always tells us the truth. Always.

Now drink your fluoride and stop trying to think.

 

[Sulaco]

There's no such things as conspiracies.

The government always tells us the truth. Always.

Now drink your fluoride and stop trying to think.

 

[zanejohnson]

you see, we HAVE made progress...

4 years ago people really DID believe that the government doesn't tell us any lies...

then 911

then Iraq

then Afghanistan



are you guys seriously saying, after all of this, you can't see the american propoganda machine in action.. it's basically USSR all over again

here is the plan...

if we COULD somehow manage to really clean up our conquer game in Iran, and actually have it working, with OUR fake money, then the american people WOULD be way better off, all of us.. probably to the point we wouldn't care anymore about all the brown people we kill everyday to maintain it.. (look at fucking history people, it's right there, the game plan is rIGHT THERE)

and i got news, it's a socialist game plan... the american people only need to be distracted for A LITTLE WHILE LONGER so that we can finish in the M.E. and be allied with Israel, and then the whole fake money system that china actually found a way to fuck us over with our own medicine..wont matter..


right now the leaders in place in Israel and USA both know they could NOT persuade the people to back this action because people are poor, and when you are poor, you grow a heart, you don't have greed, and you think it's gross..

now.. give the americans a little more false (it needs to be a little more real this time, we're catching on) security.. like say.. Israel and USA.. energy independent and allied...

then people would just say fuck it.. we like this way of life..

like they used to.

 

[Lemon law]

EK is indeed correct, as Jpost indeed published that story.

After that, the credibility of the story gets real hokie and dubious. As, "Iran is considering the possibility of spilling oil in the Persian Gulf in order to contaminate the waters of the strategically important Strait of Hormuz, German weekly Der Spiegel reported on Sunday. The spill would be a way of "punishing" the West and forcing it to decrease the economic sanctions imposed against Tehran.

Citing Western intelligence sources, Der Spiegel reported that the plan, codenamed "Murky Waters," is meant to block shipping routes in the Gulf to international oil tankers."

As citing Western intelligence sources is the only basis for the Der Speigal story, as Der Spiegal is almost as credible as Fox news and the national inquirer.

Dr Gobbels would be proud to see the great lie still works so well. Is there any imaginary perfidy Iran is not capable of? Keep tuned into to Western intelligence who were so proved correct about Saddam's WMD?

Why waste our time, when chicken Little panic that the sky is falling should be our mantra. Have we not read the past predictions, that Iran would acquire nuclear weapons and have in fact bombed Israel back to the stone age 10 years ago. As the only way to cure that present reality and redeem the Israeli total past destruction is to panic panic and panic some more. And if we don't, the next thing we will know is there will be an Iranian under every US bed, eating our children while we sleep.