Iran War Thread:2-13 U.S. readies for suicide boats in gulf

[Darwin333]

So you advocate we be unprepared. Not a compelling argument. The World As It Is- There are people who have used such means before. It is possible given the circumstances that this may be one such time and place. To prepare for such a thing is like having a fire extinguisher in the kitchen. You might say thats unneeded however I have one. You are free not to do so but that does not absolve you of the consequences if one was needed.

That is why we should be aggressively pursuing more domestic oil and increasing imports from friendly nations/areas. If we didn't absolutely need the oil that comes through the strait we wouldn't have the CBGs there in the first place and Iran probably wouldn't be posturing nearly as much.

 

[Texashiker]

That is why we should be aggressively pursuing more domestic oil and increasing imports from friendly nations/areas.

Why cant we just develop an alternative to oil?

It appears to me that this who situation with Iran and even Iraq is about oil. When Saddam invaded Kuwait back in 1990, the US responded because we needed oil from Kuwait.

Here we are almost 22 years later, and nothing has changed.

 

[jstern01]

The small boats with bombs cannot get close enough to do anything, provided we have our troops on alert and they are allowed to life fire. I do not want a repeat of Beirut.

You mean the USS Cole incident.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

This isnt about some "Iran nut job". This is about people in this country being so stupid and braindead that they do not see or understand the most basic of truisms, such as "when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail". No common sense. No ability to reason. Just a bunch of lazy slobby brainwashed consumers who do exactly what their controllers say. If we need another war to boost the debt and profits, then that is what we get. Dont make the mistake of thinking this has anything to do with any person in particular. China and Russia are no better anyway. They will go along with it as long as it is in their interest too. The only ones who will lose is the general public, the same ones who cant use their melons to add two plus two and see imperialism for what it is.

From what I understand, we have two carrier groups stationed right off Iran. And, unless I'm mistaken, by themselves, they constitute the 4th most powerful "country" in the world. Iran isn't going to start anything - it's all just posturing.

A prominent Iranian recently called for proxies for the purposes of attack. There won't be a big flag on attacking vessels. Could it be posturing? Yep. If you had thousands depending on your judgment, how many of their lives would you be willing to gamble on you being right? This isn't Call of Duty where people respawn. They become very dead.

 

[airdata]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident#First_attack

These guys are so unoriginal.

 

[ElFenix]

iran can shut the straits effectively without firing a single shot just by scuttling some of their own freighters in there. but then they couldn't ship their own oil through so it's not real likely.

 

[Modelworks]

not in the Straight of Horitz. Superior navy of the US gets nullified as the space is limited and its close to the land which means its in missile range. US ran a simulation and found that they would loose over a 1000 men in under a hour if they would try to unblock it from Iran.

You will not see it on official air force pages, but people that spend their time trying to take photos of new experimental planes in test flights have pictures of at least 6 different FB-22 planes. Supposedly they started construction in 2006, but according to the air force were never finished. Considering the photos were from 2011, I think someone isn't being truthful here. They would be perfect for this situation and Iran wouldn't know what hit them.

 

[spittledip]

If it comes to this and Iran has the support of China and Russia, I wonder if we should expect attacks on the home front?

 

[irishScott]

If it comes to this and Iran has the support of China and Russia, I wonder if we should expect attacks on the home front?

What, is this World in Conflict? A Chinese war with us would devastate their economy a lot more than a US war with Iran. Russia and the US still have the old MAD thing going on with our respective stocks of nukes. They'll make noise, probably even surreptitiously support the Iranian regime, but they're not going to go to war with us directly.

It's kinda been a rule of war since WWII. You want your ass ravaged by a star-spangled cock? Mount a serious attack on any of the 50 states.

 

[Karl Agathon]

From what I understand, we have two carrier groups stationed right off Iran. And, unless I'm mistaken, by themselves, they constitute the 4th most powerful "country" in the world. Iran isn't going to start anything - it's all just posturing.

Agreed! They love to beat their chests and do a lot of talking, but they wont do shit! Just like they threatened something might be done if a carrier group returned. The Stennis returned and there wasnt a peep out of them. They will defend themselves if attacked obviously.

 

[RavenSEAL]

I'd give it three days before we knock out their entire regime and name them the 51st state.

 

[Karl Agathon]

If it comes to this and Iran has the support of China and Russia, I wonder if we should expect attacks on the home front?

Ok, ill bite. What exactly will China dn Russia do? LOL nuke the United states and get nuked right back? Over Iran?? Directly attack the U.S. 5th fleet? Over Iran? There might be some lip service, but they will never confront the fleet directly!

 

[Karl Agathon]

Why cant we just develop an alternative to oil?

It appears to me that this who situation with Iran and even Iraq is about oil. When Saddam invaded Kuwait back in 1990, the US responded because we needed oil from Kuwait.

Here we are almost 22 years later, and nothing has changed.

I so wish we could!!!

 

[Karl Agathon]

This, and even if there were isolated skirmishes, Russia and especially China won't come to Iran's defense.

I seriously LOL whenever I see someone say something "but Russia and China will nuke or attack the U.S. if they attack Iran" Would Russia and China commit national suicide over Iran!?!? I think not!

 

[Lemon law]

While Iran is way behind the USA in technology, Iran is still light years ahead of the technology of Afghanistan. Yet still the Taliban can keep 150 ,000 Nato troops more than occupied and always on the defensive.

Now if only the Taliban stood up and fought Nato in a head to head man to man battle, Nato could finally annihilate the Taliban in just one battle. But that is exactly the point, the Taliban has to compensate for their lack of Technology with out of the box thinking. The average Nato trooper understands technology better, but still is no smarter than a Taliban member.

There may be than lesson to take to the Persian gulf. When the USA and the EU give Iran no option between surrender or starvation, the Iranians people will almost certainly react, the same way the people of the USA and the EU would, they will come out fighting instead. And will also think outside of the box. Why should Iran try to take out US Carriers, when oil tankers and docking facilities are the preferred targets. And Iran has been war gaming their strategy for far longer.

All my life, I have lied to by US Presidents and the Pentagon, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan we supposed to be easy pickings, funny it has not quite worked out that way in the end.

 

[irishScott]

While Iran is way behind the USA in technology, Iran is still light years ahead of the technology of Afghanistan. Yet still the Taliban can keep 150 ,000 Nato troops more than occupied and always on the defensive.

Now if only the Taliban stood up and fought Nato in a head to head man to man battle, Nato could finally annihilate the Taliban in just one battle. But that is exactly the point, the Taliban has to compensate for their lack of Technology with out of the box thinking. The average Nato trooper understands technology better, but still is no smarter than a Taliban member.

There may be than lesson to take to the Persian gulf. When the USA and the EU give Iran no option between surrender or starvation, the Iranians people will almost certainly react, the same way the people of the USA and the EU would, they will come out fighting instead. And will also think outside of the box. Why should Iran try to take out US Carriers, when oil tankers and docking facilities are the preferred targets. And Iran has been war gaming their strategy for far longer.

All my life, I have lied to by US Presidents and the Pentagon, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan we supposed to be easy pickings, funny it has not quite worked out that way in the end.

The key difference being that in Iran, there will be no US boots on the ground, and if you try to argue that Iran will somehow gain air superiority I will laugh loudly right here in the middle of the library.

 

[MotF Bane]

While Iran is way behind the USA in technology, Iran is still light years ahead of the technology of Afghanistan. Yet still the Taliban can keep 150 ,000 Nato troops more than occupied and always on the defensive.

Now if only the Taliban stood up and fought Nato in a head to head man to man battle, Nato could finally annihilate the Taliban in just one battle. But that is exactly the point, the Taliban has to compensate for their lack of Technology with out of the box thinking. The average Nato trooper understands technology better, but still is no smarter than a Taliban member.

There may be than lesson to take to the Persian gulf. When the USA and the EU give Iran no option between surrender or starvation, the Iranians people will almost certainly react, the same way the people of the USA and the EU would, they will come out fighting instead. And will also think outside of the box. Why should Iran try to take out US Carriers, when oil tankers and docking facilities are the preferred targets. And Iran has been war gaming their strategy for far longer.

All my life, I have lied to by US Presidents and the Pentagon, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan we supposed to be easy pickings, funny it has not quite worked out that way in the end.

You continue to demonstrate a lack of understanding of military operations.

Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan... notice what they have in common? None of the three countries were able to project power out of their own territory, and that was an immediate thing. The lone country that tried was Iraq in '91, and they got crushed very quickly. There is a profound difference between ending their offensive abilities, and pacifying an entire country.

 

[MotF Bane]

You want your ass ravaged by a star-spangled cock?

LOL. :awe:

 

[dawheat]

The key difference being that in Iran, there will be no US boots on the ground, and if you try to argue that Iran will somehow gain air superiority I will laugh loudly right here in the middle of the library.

And moreso the Iranian people have something to loose besides their lives. They're a reasonably educated, industrious people. They run the risk of having their homes, their cities, their ports, their entire oil industry annihilated around them.

Frankly with the Taliban, there's only so many mud huts you can pound into the ground.

 

[Jaskalas]

While Iran is way behind the USA in technology, Iran is still light years ahead of the technology of Afghanistan. Yet still the Taliban can keep 150 ,000 Nato troops more than occupied and always on the defensive.

Nation building != War.

In war we wholly defeated Iraq in 2 months and Afghanistan in... one? Not that it was ever a military threat. The costs at the time were slim.

You're right, when it comes to us protecting their civilians FROM THEIR OWN TERRORISTS, we suck and blow at providing police action while camped out in their streets losing soldiers to sniping attacks. Nation building is an utter failure in this regard.

Thankfully a war with a nation is not even remotely similar and if I had it my way we'd simply level Iran and leave them to pick up the pieces. My fellow countrymen are likely too stupid to leave, so yes, we'll spend trillions and suffer a hundred thousand casualties, but it won't be a few months of war that causes that. It'd be sitting around policing their streets for a decade.

 

[Doppel]

Those boats do not have to launch from a port though.

Unless you can show that they were Iranian boats; then attacking a port becomes a initiated act of war.

One can guess that the boats were Iranian, but you need to have documented chain of custody

They started the Iraq war over far more bogus evidence than the incredibly high likelihood, in this scenario, of the boat being officially Iranian.

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There can't be a war with Iran anymore than with Canada, for a war requires two combatants and the Iranian military is no match for any modern military.

I still think Iran will absolutely not start a war. It makes no sense. If a war happens it's because the initiating country's leadership (e.g. US or Israel) wanted a war and makes up a bunch of bullsh*t intelligence to get the rest of us idiots on board with it. Israel is seeing its motorcycle-delivered-magnet-bombs turned on it in today's news and the US recently was drumming up support against Iranian terrorism threats.

not in the Straight of Horitz. Superior navy of the US gets nullified as the space is limited and its close to the land which means its in missile range. US ran a simulation and found that they would loose over a 1000 men in under a hour if they would try to unblock it from Iran.

lol, no.

While Iran is way behind the USA in technology, Iran is still light years ahead of the technology of Afghanistan. Yet still the Taliban can keep 150 ,000 Nato troops more than occupied and always on the defensive.

Now if only the Taliban stood up and fought Nato in a head to head man to man battle, Nato could finally annihilate the Taliban in just one battle. But that is exactly the point, the Taliban has to compensate for their lack of Technology with out of the box thinking. The average Nato trooper understands technology better, but still is no smarter than a Taliban member.

There may be than lesson to take to the Persian gulf. When the USA and the EU give Iran no option between surrender or starvation, the Iranians people will almost certainly react, the same way the people of the USA and the EU would, they will come out fighting instead. And will also think outside of the box. Why should Iran try to take out US Carriers, when oil tankers and docking facilities are the preferred targets. And Iran has been war gaming their strategy for far longer.

All my life, I have lied to by US Presidents and the Pentagon, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan we supposed to be easy pickings, funny it has not quite worked out that way in the end.

sigh. You forgot one, key, hugely fvcking important point: water isn't land. It's one thing using guerilla warfare on land, how are you going to sneak one of your boats across a patrolled water way with radar? You can be spotted miles away and you'll never make it home.

 

[Anarchist420]

China will just cut credit to America and people should know not to buy war bonds by now.

This country is fucked beyond repair and I'm going from ambivalence to being ashamed to consider myself an American (especially after the vast majority cheered when they were told Bin Laden was killed). The U.S. Federal government has been the aggressor in every war it's been in except it's own revolution. It even performed or threatened acts of war against the people of Rhode Island FFS.

 

[Doppel]

China will just cut credit to America and people should know not to buy war bonds by now.

This country is fucked beyond repair and I'm going from ambivalence to being ashamed to consider myself an American (especially after the vast majority cheered when they were told Bin Laden was killed). The U.S. Federal government has been the aggressor in every war it's been in except it's own revolution. It even performed or threatened acts of war against the people of Rhode Island FFS.

What plans are you making to leave?

 

[shiner]

China will just cut credit to America and people should know not to buy war bonds by now.

This country is fucked beyond repair and I'm going from ambivalence to being ashamed to consider myself an American (especially after the vast majority cheered when they were told Bin Laden was killed). The U.S. Federal government has been the aggressor in every war it's been in except it's own revolution. It even performed or threatened acts of war against the people of Rhode Island FFS.

Here, you dropped this....

 

[irishScott]

What plans are you making to leave?

You kidding? At last check our self-sufficient anarchist hasn't even left his parents house yet.