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cybrsage

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Kindaslezzy Rice

She was never sleazy, though I understand that you must denigrate everything related to President Bush in order to make yourself feel superior.

She was listed as a highly fashionable government official by GQ...but I suppose you know more about fashion than GQ knows.
 

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Exactly more garbage that proves nothing, wow oh wow trucks seen moving around at an Iranian militry base.

Are the trucks actually removing evidence or just doing what trucks normally do? Rememeber when Kindaslezzy Rice said those alumium tubes could only be used for nuclear weapons? Turrned out they were used for barrage rocket casings.

Only two things will prevent Iran from ever becomeing a nuclear weapons power. (1) Keep their uranium enrichmnt at or below 20%. (2) And the key factor, prevent Iran from building breeder typer reactors.

The worse thing possible would be to force Iran out of the IAEA.
FYI- That facility would have been under considerable scrutiny for some time. It would not be trucks per se that would be an issue but a change of pattern and their activities which would raise a red flag.
 

Lemon law

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FYI- That facility would have been under considerable scrutiny for some time. It would not be trucks per se that would be an issue but a change of pattern and their activities which would raise a red flag.
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Only in the mind of a Haybasusa Rider would low tech trucks moving around would raise alarm bells. If one wants to believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairly, anything constitutes evidence, but orangutangs are skeptical of changes in changes in their cages and Israel is mighty fond of rum and unreasonable brutality.

Why can't we fairly compare the nuclear program of Israel to Iran and ask why an Israel should get a pass by bypassing the IAEA and the Nuclear proliferation treaty and Iran who works with the IAEA is a villain?

A question that only a totally biased person like Hayabusa would assert.
 

cybrsage

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Because Israel is a stable nation who has no hatred of the West. Has Israel ever called the US "the great satan"?
 

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Only in the mind of a Haybasusa Rider would low tech trucks moving around would raise alarm bells.

Hmm... seems to me the linked articles said many (including the IAEA) believe whatever pattern was observed raised alarm bells. I suspect it's not just a matter of trucks moving stuff around, but if you noticed trucks and cleaning crews and equipment working around the clock every time right before a location is to be inspected, it raises a lot of alarm bells.

Israel is mighty fond of rum and unreasonable brutality.

I don't know how your hatred for Israel is relevant to this discussion.

Why can't we fairly compare the nuclear program of Israel to Iran and ask why an Israel should get a pass by bypassing the IAEA and the Nuclear proliferation treaty and Iran who works with the IAEA is a villain?

That's a perfectly reasonable question to ask: "hey, why does Israel get pass on building nukes and other people don't?". I don't know the answer to that (it probably has to do with the strong Israeli lobby in DC), but it's not relevant to the question of whether Iran is trying to build nukes or not. I think any reasonable person would conclude from the information we've seen that they are, and in fact I think any reasonable person in their position would do the same. The question is, how do you stop them from building the nuke, and there are only limited options available.
 

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Only in the mind of a Haybasusa Rider would low tech trucks moving around would raise alarm bells. If one wants to believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairly, anything constitutes evidence, but orangutangs are skeptical of changes in changes in their cages and Israel is mighty fond of rum and unreasonable brutality.

Why can't we fairly compare the nuclear program of Israel to Iran and ask why an Israel should get a pass by bypassing the IAEA and the Nuclear proliferation treaty and Iran who works with the IAEA is a villain?

A question that only a totally biased person like Hayabusa would assert.
I have found you an explanation however I'm not obliged to find you an understanding. Nothing is more basic than the concept of observation over time and noting patterns and type of activity. Regarding Israel, it is curious that you bring up brutality while Iran keeps it's government in power by running down it's own citizens. Maybe you don't know but NPT membership is voluntary and therefore the IAEA has no authority whatsoever over Israel, however Iran is a signatory and counter to your claims the IAEA itself hasn't been satisfied with the level of cooperation so far. You of course disregard troublesome facts.
Lastly you wonder why Israel should have nukes while Iran cannot. Israel hasn't called for the obliteration of Iran while the reverse is true, but more than that you yourself have given the answer when you called Israel a mouse of a country that wouldn't be able to withstand the hostile elements in the region, yet it survives because to attack means horrific retribution. Israel is a mouse which can roar if attacked and that frustrates Iranian leaders and yourself to no end, and that is why you keep dumping the metaphorical pot roast on your chest, making nonsense on and on. You can't figure out how to kill Israel and that drives you crazy, so you go after their means of survival which they don't even advertise as having much less using to advance their position in the region. You still can't counter my arguments with facts.
 

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Only in the mind of a Haybasusa Rider would low tech trucks moving around would raise alarm bells.

What is it like living in this separate world of yours? I'm curious. I mean, something made you believe that Haybasusa Rider is all alone in his opinions. Was it the linked news article distributed out by USA Today written by someone not Haybasusa Rider that convinced you?
 

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Plutonium is the stuff out of which atomic bombs are made. And the amount of plutonium in the world is increasing year by year as nuclear power spreads. Within the next ten years nuclear power plants will be producing around 100 tons of plutonium a year enough for 10,000 atomic bombs, each with the same power as the one that destroyed Nagasaki.

The time required to convert plutonium in spent fuel into a weapon would be one to three months, compared to seven to ten days for metallic plutonium. U-233 is virtually non-existent in nature, but, like plutonium, it can be created in a nuclear reactor. It is the main ingredient to make a nuclear weapon.

Why do Iran want to start now with nuclear power when it has been proven to be cost efficient? Most of the countries even the United States stopped building nuclear power plants. Not one utility or energy-generation company in the United States has been willing to order and construct a new nuclear plant in more than 30 years. Reason that no energy company has constructed one since 1973 is not public opposition, licensing
uncertainties or lack of a repository for spent fuel disposal but rather that new commercial nuclear power plants are uneconomical because of their higher construction costs.

Nuclear costs 7.0 Cents/kW-hr
Coal 4.4 Cents/kW-hr
Gas between 4.1 and 5.3 Cents/kW-hr

It takes about 30 years before the left over waste can be put into the ground. Before that it needs to be cooled and looked after for ages where you spent millions of maintaining it so it wont melt down.

Nuclear power has higher overall lifetime costs compared to natural gas with combined cycle turbine technology (CCGT) and coal. Today, nuclear power is not an economically competitive choice. Unlike other energy technologies, nuclear power requires significant government involvement because of safety, proliferation, and waste concerns.

Gas centrifuge plants for producing low-enriched uranium can fairly easily be turned into plants for producing highly enriched uranium and that is the concern.

Why do a country want to make use of a technology that is not economical nor safe so desperately and then claims it is for cheap power? When you have labs for R&D concerns to enrichment then it can only point to malicious purposes. Making bombs. Why do you want to R & D a technology already invented?

The only thing in the world where they can proof that they are not making nuclear weapons or making weapon grade plutonium are to provide samples from the Uranium Conversion facilities where it has to be cooled for over 10 years. But they refused to give it to the inspectors. So tell me why do they not want to give samples of nuclear junk basically which has no further use other to be cooled and to put into the ground at some stage?

That could have proven beyond doubt they are not doing anything else with it. Iran refusing means they did something they were not suppose to.
 

Lemon law

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Earth to Cave Dweller. after six years of effort, Iran finally refined enough Uranium to power up its first nuclear reactor. And since its not a breeder reactor like the Israeli reactor, it means Iran is at least 2 years away from extracting any plutonium.

So you come up with, "The only thing in the world where they can proof that they are not making nuclear weapons or making weapon grade plutonium are to provide samples from the Uranium Conversion facilities where it has to be cooled for over 10 years. "

Which is a catch 22, first you have to have a working reactor to get to provide a Uranium conversion facility sample.
 

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Why can't we fairly compare the nuclear program of Israel to Iran and ask why an Israel should get a pass by bypassing the IAEA and the Nuclear proliferation treaty and Iran who works with the IAEA is a villain?

How about the fact that Iran agreed to the IAEA and Israel decided to not participate.

Each made the choice for their own reasons.
Apparently, Iran did not read the fine print.
 

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Earth to Cave Dweller. after six years of effort, Iran finally refined enough Uranium to power up its first nuclear reactor. And since its not a breeder reactor like the Israeli reactor, it means Iran is at least 2 years away from extracting any plutonium.

So you come up with, "The only thing in the world where they can proof that they are not making nuclear weapons or making weapon grade plutonium are to provide samples from the Uranium Conversion facilities where it has to be cooled for over 10 years. "

Which is a catch 22, first you have to have a working reactor to get to provide a Uranium conversion facility sample.

There are other developments/projects that are needed to also build a nuclear bomb. Some have no useful outputs for civilian use. Those may also be things that are being looked at.