Iran to offer unfettered inspection if sanctions are lifted.

[Ausm]

We know that Saddam sent his air force over to Iran for storage.
The enemy of my enemy is an ally.
There were also suspicions that Syria became home to some weaponry.
Saddam and Assad were close.

That's why I posted what I did, just trying to help GWB climb out of the cellar.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Bull Shit!

I believe them about as far as I can drop kick a brick.

Exactly!! Lemon law should have posted a poll....to see who actually believes this....lolol

 

[JEDIYoda]

That's why I posted what I did, just trying to help GWB climb out of the cellar.

You mean out of the bottom of the outhouse.....

 

[a777pilot]

As we should all know, it is the right of any nation on earth to pursue the peacetime use of nuclear energy to generate electricity. But since that same peacetime nuclear program can have military uses as well, inspection is needed. As such countries are supposed to work through the IAEA.

http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.aspx?id=236771

And one of things inspectors look for is any attempts to advance the enrichment of Uranium to anywhere near the 95+ % level of bomb grade Uranium. And as it is, Iran is not advancing such Uranium beyond the about minimum 3% needed for reactor fuel. The second thing inspectors need to look for is the type of reactor designs. Some types of reactors, the like Israeli type, are breeder reactors, that can produce plutonium useful for bombs in its spent fuel rods. Other type of reactors produce only small amount of material in its fuel rods. Since Iran is not building its own reactors yet, that becomes a as of yet a moot question. Then there are questions on who controls the spent fuel rods, if Iran agrees to turn them over to a third party, Iran will never become a nuclear bomb power.

But now that the unfettered inspection question is on the table, IMHO, there is little possible reasons not to lift the sanctions on Iran.

ROFLMAO!

Why not unfettered inspection access for at a minimum of one year then a possible lifting of the sanctions?

This is too, too funny.

 

[senseamp]

Why offer any access at all, it should be pretty obvious to them after Iraq that a nuclear arsenal is the only guarantor against an attack.

 

[Craig234]

"Iran is developing invisible nuclear weapons inspections can't detect. We have to stop them."

 

[PokerGuy]

All this means is that they've completed the move of 'sensitive' stuff to another secret location, and that the sanctions are starting to hurt. Now they're ready to allow inspectors access to that location. I don't trust those bozos as far as I can throw them, they need to allow full unlimited and unrestricted access to every location, or the rest of the world need to keep applying pressure or pursue military solutions.

 

[blankslate]

there is a big *if* here.

But free reign for inspectors is preferable to an Israeli strike.

It's a starting point that should be pursued.

Sure Iran may not be making a genuinely serious offer but they may and we should find out before using air strikes. Especially if inspectors can go anywhere they please.

As far as trust goes with Iranians we already have demonstrated that they can't trust us in the early 50's

 

[soundforbjt]

When was the last time Iran has started a war & invaded another country?

 

[momeNt]

When was the last time Iran has started a war & invaded another country?

Their mere existence is an affront to the American Empire. You ask for cause? Iran itself is the cause.

To war!

 

[EagleKeeper]

there is a big *if* here.

But free reign for inspectors is preferable to an Israeli strike.

It's a starting point that should be pursued.

Sure Iran may not be making a genuinely serious offer but they may and we should find out before using air strikes. Especially if inspectors can go anywhere they please.

As far as trust goes with Iranians we already have demonstrated that they can't trust us in the early 50's

And 20 years later, they showed that they can not be trusted to honor international agreements

 

[Darwin333]

We've been here before...

Because thorium reactors are a theoretical concept, not yet in existence, maybe never will be?

Why don't we, either? Why don't the Israelis, for that matter?

There was one in existence, hell still might be for all I know.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Don't lift anything. Instead, explicitly state what is expected from Iran and agree to suspend sanctions as long as they comply. That way both sides get what they want without falling into the obvious trap of removing sanctions then having to fight all over again to get them put back. Iran and the West know that's exactly what would happen.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Right now, it is the fact that no additional sanctions will be added if access is granted.

 

[pcgeek11]

I only hope nobody is stupid enough to believe this. Or anything that come out of Iran.

 

[Doppel]

So what happened, did Iran end up honoring this? Did IAEAtake them up on it?

 

[EagleKeeper]

So what happened, did Iran end up honoring this? Did IAEAtake them up on it?

From link (updated)

Updated 20h 36m ago

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) – The European Union said Tuesday that world powers have agreed to a new round of talks with Iran over its nuclear program, and Iran gave permission for inspectors to visit a site suspected of secret atomic work.

...

 

[blankslate]

And 20 years later, they showed that they can not be trusted to honor international agreements

Regardless of what you believe about Iran one thing is certain. An Israeli strike that doesn't completely destroy the Iranian nuclear program will give them motivation to actually embark on a weapons program.

And if Israel strikes and isn't successful... the U.S. might have to step up and drop munitions from B-52s. I'm sure that will just be the thing that's needed to make every country in the region adversarial to Israel to suddenly change their minds and start loving them...

No wait sorry it would have consequences that we may not see until decades from such an action... like say something that happened in 1953 could be having an impact in the region today...

The middle east has been a tangled mess of problems since oil has been found there.

From F.D.R.'s secret meeting with the King of Saudi Arabia just after WWII on wards it's been something that could blow up and drive any President to drink.

While Iran isn't the paragon of trust and openness we haven't really given them reason to trust us either...

I have four words you should think about: Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh.

If some country sent in agents to mess with U.S. government in a similar fashion how do you think we would view them?
Do you think the U.S. government would view anything they say in the future years without thinking about that event?

People have long memories when they are "slighted" in such a fucked up way.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Blankslate, there is somewhat of an analogy between this situation and the US/USSR cold war. Neither side trusted the other and as we know all involved engaged in proxy wars and other actions to undermine the other. It wasn't a good time. Ron Reagan coined a phrase, "trust but verify", a concept which might work here. If both sides agree to a clearly written set of expectations with consequences then one of two things result. Either trust increases as things proceed or we learn that trust isn't warranted. A schedule of suspended sanctions contingent on cooperation would be responsible, assuming that this is not a play for time.

 

[PokerGuy]

You can't trust nutcases, and clearly Imadinnerjacket and the mullahs or whatever the crazies are called can't be trusted. Verify first, gain unfettered access to EVERY site at ANY time without ANY lead time. Inspect everything. Then you can lift sanctions, or use the information gained from the inspections to destroy the program.

 

[PokerGuy]

All this means is that they've completed the move of 'sensitive' stuff to another secret location, and that the sanctions are starting to hurt.

Update today: looks like my suspicion was correct.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2012-03-07/iran-nuclear-spy-clean-up/53400694/1

Basically, images show the iranian crazies hard at work cleaning up certain specific sites before allowing any inspections. There's a pattern of coverup/cleanup, I don't see how any reasonable person doubts that the crazies are up to no good.

Instead of trying to destroy the sites directly (many of which are underground), maybe israel could focus on destroying all major power producing facilities in the area so no power is available to run those sites.

 

[Lemon law]

Update today: looks like my suspicion was correct.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2012-03-07/iran-nuclear-spy-clean-up/53400694/1

Basically, images show the iranian crazies hard at work cleaning up certain specific sites before allowing any inspections. There's a pattern of coverup/cleanup, I don't see how any reasonable person doubts that the crazies are up to no good.

Instead of trying to destroy the sites directly (many of which are underground), maybe israel could focus on destroying all major power producing facilities in the area so no power is available to run those sites.

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Exactly more garbage that proves nothing, wow oh wow trucks seen moving around at an Iranian militry base.

Are the trucks actually removing evidence or just doing what trucks normally do? Rememeber when Kindaslezzy Rice said those alumium tubes could only be used for nuclear weapons? Turrned out they were used for barrage rocket casings.

Only two things will prevent Iran from ever becomeing a nuclear weapons power. (1) Keep their uranium enrichmnt at or below 20%. (2) And the key factor, prevent Iran from building breeder typer reactors.

The worse thing possible would be to force Iran out of the IAEA.

 

[momeNt]

Update today: looks like my suspicion was correct.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2012-03-07/iran-nuclear-spy-clean-up/53400694/1

Basically, images show the iranian crazies hard at work cleaning up certain specific sites before allowing any inspections. There's a pattern of coverup/cleanup, I don't see how any reasonable person doubts that the crazies are up to no good.

Instead of trying to destroy the sites directly (many of which are underground), maybe israel could focus on destroying all major power producing facilities in the area so no power is available to run those sites.

I can see it already. Obama up there on a podium with a picture of him looking under his desk, he tells the crowd; "This is me looking for Iranian nuclear weapons". Hahaha very funny Mr. President.

It worked out pretty well for Bush.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Regardless of what you believe about Iran one thing is certain. An Israeli strike that doesn't completely destroy the Iranian nuclear program will give them motivation to actually embark on a weapons program.

And if Israel strikes and isn't successful... the U.S. might have to step up and drop munitions from B-52s. I'm sure that will just be the thing that's needed to make every country in the region adversarial to Israel to suddenly change their minds and start loving them...

No wait sorry it would have consequences that we may not see until decades from such an action... like say something that happened in 1953 could be having an impact in the region today...

The middle east has been a tangled mess of problems since oil has been found there.

From F.D.R.'s secret meeting with the King of Saudi Arabia just after WWII on wards it's been something that could blow up and drive any President to drink.

While Iran isn't the paragon of trust and openness we haven't really given them reason to trust us either...

I have four words you should think about: Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh.

If some country sent in agents to mess with U.S. government in a similar fashion how do you think we would view them?
Do you think the U.S. government would view anything they say in the future years without thinking about that event?

People have long memories when they are "slighted" in such a fucked up way.

You actually believe that Iran in there own twisted way does not believe that they need to develope nuclear weapons.....to use against those who refuse to convert to islam....

 

[cybrsage]

When was the last time Iran has started a war & invaded another country?

Are you referring to when they sent in undercover troops and arms to aid in an attempted rebellion by Shia Muslims in Iraq, causing the assassination of many Iraqi government officials? That would be 1980 or so.

These actions caused Iraq to invade Iran in an attempt to stop them.