Iran to offer unfettered inspection if sanctions are lifted.

[soccerballtux]

Why stop at Thorium, give them the ok to use He3 for Fusion. Hell, we can let them build a Dysan Sphere so they can go Solar!

It's all the same, just an onerous requirement they couldn't possibly attain any time soon.

Huh? Thorium is EASILY possible right now, fusion is impossibly far away.

 

[soccerballtux]

so the united states continues to lie, invade sovereign nations in the middle east / steal all oil, and iran is the one that can't be trusted good stuff! see sig.

What oil has been stolen?

• Iraq has controlled their output; They decided who they would sell it to and also if any oil would flow through the pipelines.
• Saudi - I do not think that we invaded them.
• Libya - same comment.
• Kuwait - I do not think that anyone else controls their output.
• Who did we invade in the Gulf of Oman?

Or is that your personal agenda?:\

Who was it that forced their hand into making Iraq's constitution say that the oil of Iraq belonged to the people of Iraq?







oh right, it was the United States. Never mind.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Who was it that forced their hand into making Iraq's constitution say that the oil of Iraq belonged to the people of Iraq?







oh right, it was the United States. Never mind.

...How is that stealing their oil?

 

[piasabird]

Dont lift sanctions on Iran. They did not let all the hikers go. Tell them to destroy all their nuclear facilities and then we will verify it. Also tell the rest of the middle east if one nuclear device goes off anywhere we will just nuke every country.

 

[Rebel44]

Let's also throw Czechoslovakia in the deal to show Iran our dedication to peace

Czechoslovakia doesnt exist anymore..... for something like 18 years....

 

[Rebel44]

....Also tell the rest of the middle east if one nuclear device goes off anywhere we will just nuke every country.

You might want to make exception for Israel - they can return such favor, because their ICBM (Jericho 3) has sufficient range to reach even USA.

 

[Karl Agathon]

You might want to make exception for Israel - they can return such favor, because their ICBM (Jericho 3) has sufficient range to reach even USA.

Wow, thats some range. Thats good, This way, if Iran is dumb enough to launch something at Israel, the Israelis can return in kind.

 

[SammyJr]

You might want to make exception for Israel - they can return such favor, because their ICBM (Jericho 3) has sufficient range to reach even USA.

I'm very very glad my tax dollars went to fund this worthy endeavor.

 

[Lemon law]

What an idea, retaliate against Iran for the use of a nuke anywhere on the planet, especially when Iran is six years away from having its first nuke and its not even certain that Iran even wants nukes.

Iran at least is working within IAEA guidelines, so we should reward Israel for having nuclear weapons acquired on the sneak.

 

[soccerballtux]

Who was it that forced their hand into making Iraq's constitution say that the oil of Iraq belonged to the people of Iraq?







oh right, it was the United States. Never mind.

...How is that stealing their oil?

exactly, it's not, that's my point

 

[piasabird]

I was going under the assumption that if someone actually used a nuke, that it would be targeting Israel. However, mutual destruction can be a good threat. Maybe it can keep people sane. We should find a way to back off of nuclear proliferation. We also need to find a way to not solve problems by force. However, if attacked we should return fire and slaughter our enemies. No more of these gentler, kindler conflicts. I think the muslims have it right. We should put them all to the sword if they dare to attack us.

 

[EagleKeeper]

What an idea, retaliate against Iran for the use of a nuke anywhere on the planet, especially when Iran is six years away from having its first nuke and its not even certain that Iran even wants nukes.

Iran at least is working within IAEA guidelines, so we should reward Israel for having nuclear weapons acquired on the sneak.

How can they be working within the guidelines if they are now offering unfettered inspections.

They had to have been blocking inspections previously - WHY? Especially if they were working within the IAEA guidelines.

 

[glenn1]

After what happened with libyia, Iran would be stupid to get rid of their WMDs.

Why do you say that? Having WMDs is no guarantee of not being attacked; just ask Iraq since they had WMDs before the Gulf War and we know that because Saddam gassed the Kurds. While it's true that the U.S. has never attacked a nuclear state, that's either because they're allied (UK, France, somewhat more tentatively India and Israel, and nominally Pakistan), a competitor where we use proxies to fight instead (Russia, China), or or due to unacceptable risks of conventional warfare (North Korea, where we're afraid they'll barrage Seoul with artillery if we attack regardless of whether they had or would use nukes). If Libya had one or two nukes but no long-range delivery system that could threaten Europe or other key targets, I don't see why that would completely deter the U.S. from attacking them given sufficient cause.

 

[Lemon law]

How can they be working within the guidelines if they are now offering unfettered inspections.

They had to have been blocking inspections previously - WHY? Especially if they were working within the IAEA guidelines.

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In terms of why Iran would want to restrict inspection is that it gives Israeli military intel the exact schematics of the Iranian nuclear site as Israel may later bomb it.

Otherwise, there is really nothing that Itan has with held from IAEA inspectors. And there is alos a question, does Iran conform to older regulations or newer regulations passed ex posto facto?

But as long as the USA demands more strident inspection, the IAEA has to make it look good. Even if they find nothing.

We had somewhat the same thing with WMD searches of Iraq. In the Iraqi case, Saddam could not allow the truth to come out, because if everyone knew that he did not have WMD, then Iraq would appear totally weak, and a tempting target for any Arab Coutry with a functioning army to attack and over run him and Iraq.

 

[EagleKeeper]

So you are expecting that the IAEA inspectors will be drawing schematics of the sites to be passed around.

 

[Lemon law]

So you are expecting that the IAEA inspectors will be drawing schematics of the sites to be passed around.

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Not all of them, but still Israel will get the information.

The other comment to make, is that no Iranian violations have been found of IAEA regulations and one can't base sanctions on suspicions.

 

[Jhhnn]

How can they be working within the guidelines if they are now offering unfettered inspections.

They had to have been blocking inspections previously - WHY? Especially if they were working within the IAEA guidelines.

Because there are rules about when inspection becomes appropriate. IIRC, no NPT signatory nation need reveal the construction of any nuclear facility until six months prior to the introduction of nuclear materials, and need not allow inspection until such materials are introduced. The IAEA wants to inspect outside of those rules, and also wants to inspect sites that Iran claims are non-nuclear.

I have little doubt that Iran's overture will be rejected, because nuclear development is just an excuse for sanctions, the real purpose of which is to attempt to force regime change in Iran. Which obviously hasn't worked in the 30+ years since the Iranian revolution, nor is it likely to work any time rsn. The stronger the bluster from the US, the stronger the mullahs' grip on Iranian politics gets, because they have an outside threat to rally the population against. It's the same in the US, classic Leo Strauss, the godfather of the Neocons.

 

[Jaskalas]

I say if unfettered inspections reveal nothing then sanctions are lifted.

Chicken VS Egg, I don't think they're offering it in that order.

 

[Jhhnn]

Chicken VS Egg, I don't think they're offering it in that order.

So make a counter offer- unfettered inspection for 6 months or a year, followed by abandonment of sanctions entirely, and the ability to keep up inspections for 20 years, rather than 5.

Find a way to make a reasonable deal. Stop with the bluster & raving. The Iranian people will probably limit the power of the Mullahs in the absence of perceived outside threats. They become figureheads, rather than holding any real power.

Maybe it'll inspire our Israeli friends to make a deal of their own.

 

[Hacp]

Why do you say that? Having WMDs is no guarantee of not being attacked; just ask Iraq since they had WMDs before the Gulf War and we know that because Saddam gassed the Kurds. While it's true that the U.S. has never attacked a nuclear state, that's either because they're allied (UK, France, somewhat more tentatively India and Israel, and nominally Pakistan), a competitor where we use proxies to fight instead (Russia, China), or or due to unacceptable risks of conventional warfare (North Korea, where we're afraid they'll barrage Seoul with artillery if we attack regardless of whether they had or would use nukes). If Libya had one or two nukes but no long-range delivery system that could threaten Europe or other key targets, I don't see why that would completely deter the U.S. from attacking them given sufficient cause.

Iran has the capabilities to destroy israel.

 

[Lemon law]

Iran has the capabilities to destroy israel.

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Many nations have the power to destroy Israel or Iran. Missing in actions is any reason to.

In future, Iran may becomes the lesser of many Israeli threats from its more immediate neighbors.

Most nations avoid problems from its immediate neigbors with the golden rule, treat your neighbors as you would treat yourself, but not Israel. As Israel somehow thinks they can perpetually get away with treating its neighbors like dirt and alienating everyone.

 

[Karl Agathon]

Iran has the capabilities to destroy israel.

Israel has the capability to destroy Iran.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Bring up an old thread due to the topic

Link

good news

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) – Iran will grant U.N. inspectors access to a military complex where the U.N. nuclear agency suspects secret atomic work has been carried out, the semiofficial ISNA news agency reported Tuesday.

Tehran had previously banned U.N. inspectors from visiting the Parchin installation, southeast of Tehran, but a statement by Iran's permanent envoy to the International Atomic Energy Agency said the visit will now be allowed in a gesture of good will.
However, it would require an agreement between the two sides on a guidelines for the inspection, ISNA reported.
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As long as the guidelines do not restrict areas; this may allow for a reduction in tensions.

As long as areas are being treated as off-limits, it indicates an attempt to hide something that they do not want the IAEA to see.

Saddam pulled a similar shell game and it gto him nowhere.

Open access, ratcheting down the rhetoric and easing of sanctions would benefit everyone.

 

[Ausm]

I think Iraq was storing their WMD's in Iran the whole time and if we nuke them.Then we find the evidence this which would vindicate GWB's decision to spend a trillion Taxpayer dollars at the cost over 4,000 American casualties.

 

[EagleKeeper]

I think Iraq was storing their WMD's in Iran the whole time and if we nuke them.Then we find the evidence this which would vindicate GWB's decision to spend a trillion Taxpayer dollars at the cost over 4,000 American casualties.

We know that Saddam sent his air force over to Iran for storage.
The enemy of my enemy is an ally.
There were also suspicions that Syria became home to some weaponry.
Saddam and Assad were close.