Iran Ships to Patrol Atlantic

[Oric]

Iran itself isn't that old. It's an area with an ancient history but not as Iran so "pride" due to some sort of longstanding State identity really doesn't explain things.

More likely it's another display of Iran's usual inferiority complex and their desperate desire to be a superpower, a title they are nowhere near attaining. Iran is like a stupid chihuahua; a little dog that imagines itself to be a big dog.

What kind of a complex explains keeping warships in the Persian Gulf ? Iran has a stance of being treated on equal terms. May be you have forgotten that a few years ago they have captured 6 British Soldiers who have violated their border and demanded an official apology. Britain refused to give an apology (what kind of a complex is that) and immediately there was an increased US and UK naval activity in the Gulf. Iran did not give in and got their official apology before releasing the soldiers. Most of the countries in the world would cover up such an incident, Iran does not. They are not aggressive but they stand up for their values against anyone, we have not had a war with Iran since 1542. You say Iran is not old, even our bi-country peace history goes to the days of Colombus, do some reading ... Statehood is never destroyed, state culture passes from one to another unless the civilization is completely destroyed. Iran never had such traumatic invasions in the last Millenia.

 

[Oric]

Yep, I think the U.S. should play with with a poker face and invite them to make a stop in NYC harbour. Take their sailors on a tour, show them how great life is over here, subtly hint that pleas for asylum would be taken well. Really drive the knife home deep.

You probably think Iran is an iron curtain country who does not allow free travel to its citizens. Last year 2.6 Million Irani tourists came to Turkey. Even more go to Europe. They are aware of how "great" the life is outside their country. Life in Iran is not that bad either, everyone finds a way to live the life they desire, Iran is not an exception. I have been there many times, if they did not have economical sanctions life standards would be much better.

 

[NeoV]

they wouldn't have sanctions if they weren't ruled by a bunch of stone-age morons

 

[Craig234]

they wouldn't have sanctions if they weren't ruled by a bunch of stone-age morons

That's a whopper of a lie. Yes, they would. Powerful nations have forced 'sanctions' on nations for not bending over and giving away cheap resources for a very long time.

Let's see, who ruled them before these 'stone-age' leaders? Oh, ya. Good thing they were a sanction-free country left alone by the west earlier! The ignorance is disgusting.

 

[Karl Agathon]

The rest of the world = good

The United States = bad

 

[Craig234]

The rest of the world = good

The United States = bad

You're an idiot.

Why are you an idiot?

 

[Rastus]

They would make ports of call in Cuba and Venezuela. Maybe even base there. Then they can patrol the east coast. I'm sure they would get tired of F-18's buzzing them all the time and being shadowed by larger ships and subs.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

They have not been doing long-distance replenishment. Sorry, not even close.

Only a couple countries have this capability, Iran is not one of them.

Again this is not rocket science, as long as their supply ships can take on fuel and food stores, Iran is very capable of taking care of the easy task of underway replenishment.

 

[D-Man]

Reminds me of Gaddefi's line of death. The Iranian sailors are prolly thinking what the hell is this all about.

 

[Rainsford]

As stated, there will be logistics headaches. They need to practice in the Indian and Med first.

Yeah, I don't really think Iran has a blue water Navy...that seems to be a lot harder than it sounds.

 

[Rainsford]

Again this is not rocket science, as long as their supply ships can take on fuel and food stores, Iran is very capable of taking care of the easy task of underway replenishment.

Except that's not all there is to making the concept of keeping ships far from their home ports anything but a stunt on Iran's part. Yes, I suspect they can move some ships here and keep them supplied for some period of time. But they also talk about actually projecting FORCE off our coast, which is much more complicated than just parking some ships somewhere.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

How many of you that seem to think underway replenishment is so hard and complicated have served in the Navy and been involved in performing this task?

 

[Rainsford]

How many of you that seem to think underway replenishment is so hard and complicated have served in the Navy and been involved in performing this task?

I'm not sure if you're talking about me, but the physical act of underway replenishment isn't really the issue here. You have to get the resources there on a regular basis, and you have to be able to do something once you're there besides getting blown out of the water any time the locals feel like it. Both of those problems are either much harder or much more expensive to solve than actually performing the task of underway replenishment.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I would bet they can get the supplies they need from Cuba or Venezuela once they've arrived. What do they have to do once they get in the Atlantic other than run around in circles to show the world they are capable and can do so?

I don't know how many days and weeks I was on a US Naval ship that was doing nothing more than running around in circles to show the world the US had a presence in a given region.

 

[EagleKeeper]

A destroyer/frigate is not much of a show of force off of the US coast.

Maybe in the islands, it might be impressive.

 

[OutHouse]

Why would they need to make a port call? Ever hear of underway replenishment? All they would need is a supply ship that could pull into port to get fuel oil and food supplies.

the iraninan navy is not that big nor that skilled or have the logistics network to pull it off.

 

[Genx87]

Underway replenishment takes a lot of skill and practice. I doubt the Iranian navy would be capable of doing this activity even if they had the logistic ships capable of doing a underway replenishment. It requires specific setup on each side to do this. The US Navy has been doing underway replenishment for decades and has it down to a fine art. In this case I suspect the naval ships will be stopping to fuel at ports along the way. What will be interesting is what they will be doing once they get across the Atlantic. They might be using Cuba as a forward base to get fuel and suppllies. It is really hard keeping a ship at see for months at a time without making any port calls. Only a handful of Navy's in the world can do this and the Iranian navy isn't one of them.

Here is their skill at mid air refueling

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_Cp2anHN3U&feature=related

Watch in the back ground.

 

[OutHouse]

Again this is not rocket science, as long as their supply ships can take on fuel and food stores, Iran is very capable of taking care of the easy task of underway replenishment.

when you are dealing with your vessels on the other side of the planet, no supply network and navy that has hardly zero experience in open ocean operatoins, it gets petty damn close to rocket science.

Stop comparing the US Navys ability's that we have perfected for over a hundred years to Irans Navy that is about as unskilled and inexperienced as one could get.

 

[Genx87]

No one really wrote about WHY Iran made such a move.

Iran is an old state, they know what the meaning of pride is and when United States takes an armada of ships in the Persian Gulf, they retaliate on their own. Of course there is much much difference in power, technology, size but they show their flag ... how many nations, other than russia and china dare to do that ?

Oil price is nearing a 1 year low. Time for Iran to rattle the worlds fear and drive up the price.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

A destroyer/frigate is not much of a show of force off of the US coast.

Maybe in the islands, it might be impressive.

:thumbsup: Exactly

Cruising up and down the east coast in a frigate as a show of force would be like parading a calvery regiment with a few hundred men with rifles on horseback and a couple of cannons in front of a tank brigade

Not very intimidating to say the least

 

[fskimospy]

How many of you that seem to think underway replenishment is so hard and complicated have served in the Navy and been involved in performing this task?

I have served in the Navy and been involved in performing that task, although only as a linesman not as a helmsman. (when you're the new guy they make you do all the shitty jobs, haha) Still, I knew all the helmsmen on my ship and it is one of the more difficult maneuvering tasks any large ship undertakes. Not only is there a requirement that both ships maintain an identical course and speed regardless of differing currents, wave action, etc, but there is also the Venturi effect to deal with. This effect causes two ships traveling close to one another to encounter a suction effect that will attempt to draw them into a collision with one another. (these collisions have happened many times)

Not only that, but as others have mentioned Iran must maintain a supply network over thousands of miles. So you got some food, great. How about that rare pump that runs the cooling system for your primary radar? Do they have one of those in Cuba? What about those specific bearings for your engine that you can't get off the shelf? Military parts are almost always nonstandard because they operate in unique conditions. Supplying a ship at sea is not so simple as fueling up your uncle's boat.

One of the US's greatest strengths is our worldwide logistical capability. We CAN supply our ships anywhere on earth relatively well, and this is the envy of the world.

 

[a777pilot]

You all do understand that Iran has only three war ships that are reasonably capable of making the trip to our east cost?

Intent and capabilities are not the same here.

Besides, I support the freedom of the seas. If they want to sail here, good for them. If they run into difficulty, we will rescue them. It's what we do for those on the seas.

Maybe they will make a port of call at one of our great ports. I think their sailors would enjoy that experience.

 

[Orignal Earl]

A destroyer/frigate is not much of a show of force off of the US coast.

Maybe in the islands, it might be impressive.

I bet if those two clerics in the pic, paddled up to the shore on a raft, 3/4's of the posters in this thread would die of fright.

 

[OutHouse]

If Iran does do this i do not think they will go to the east coast. I bet they will go to Venezuela and make short patrols in the gulf. If something does happen to one of their ships, the Venezuela Navy would help them out. I think Iran is a lot more friendly with Venezuela than with Cuba so i don't think any Iranian war ships will be welcomed in cuba, just my opinion and am probably wrong.

 

[NeoV]

That's a whopper of a lie. Yes, they would. Powerful nations have forced 'sanctions' on nations for not bending over and giving away cheap resources for a very long time.

Let's see, who ruled them before these 'stone-age' leaders? Oh, ya. Good thing they were a sanction-free country left alone by the west earlier! The ignorance is disgusting.

Where on the list of recent rulers in Iran was there anything other than 'stone-age' thinkers?

It's not like the world sanctions all of the countries in the middle east - are you defending the people that are, or have been, running Iran?