Iran shells Iraq

[Specop 007]

Insane. Its one thing to get on TV and rattle your saber, but honestly I think Iran is just *begging* for something more. Its almost like they want a war.
It makes me wonder exactly what kind of talks have went on between China Russia and Iran.
Iran has never been in a position to take on America head to head, and Isreal would love to jump in and kick some turban too. I'm wondering if Iran doesnt have a bit more help in the backseat then has been made public.

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Iraq says Iran forces shelled Kurds in Iraq

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraq's Defence Ministry said on Sunday that Iranian forces had shelled Kurdish rebel positions this month and crossed 5 km into Iraqi territory.

Iraqi Kurdish officials had said Iranian forces shelled Iranian Kurdish rebel positions inside northern Iraq on April 21 to repel an attack, wounding at least four civilians.

"Iranian forces bombed border areas in the Haj Umran area, the Iranian forces crossed 5 km over the border and bombed Lolan with more than 180 heavy artillery shells targeting the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK)," a ministry statement said.

The statement was the first official Iraqi confirmation of the incident.

The breach by Iranian forces could fuel accusations of Iranian interference in Iraq by Sunni Arab politicians.

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Iraq accuses Iranian forces of pounding northern Iraqi territories
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Iraq accused on Sunday the Iranian forces of invading Iraqi territories and pounding positions of the rebel Kurdistan Worker's Party (PKK) in northern Arbil province.

"The Iranian forces attacked a border area named Haj Umran, crossing 5 km over the border and pounded Lolan area with more than 180 heavy artillery shells targeting the PKK," an Iraqi Defense Ministry statement said.

Iraqi Kurdish sources said that the Iranian forces also attacked the Iranian Kurdish rebel positions inside the Iraqi territories on April 21.

Iran and Turkey have been bounded by a treaty, in which Iran pledged to fight the outlawed PKK members, who has waged a 15-year insurgency against the Turkish government, and the Turks to fight the Iranian armed opposition group, the Iraq-based Mujahedi Khalk (People's Mujahedeen).

The PKK was born out of the leftist student organizations in Turkey in the 1960s. It's main goal is to set up an independent Kurdish state in southeastern Turkey.

It's founding and ideological base was primarily the work of Abdullah Ocalan, who established the group and laid down its goals, strategy, and structure.

Although the PKK was born in Turkey, it carried out its major activities from the Kurdish regions of northern Iraq, which came about in the wake of the 1991 Persian Gulf War, when Iraqi Kurds established a de facto state in northern Iraq.

Source: Xinhua

 

[EatSpam]

Time to bust out the nukes! YEEEEEEEEEEEE-HAW!

 

[sandorski]

Wanna invade Turkey too?

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Wanna invade Turkey too?

While Turkey has no love for the Kurds (Which is no secret) they have generally been at least neutral when it comes to dealings with America.

You can say what you want about of leadership or economy. But the simple matter is pound for pound we have the most devastating military ever to take the field of battle. Thats not something you just ignore because you want to make some kind of political statement.

Its one thing to set your balls on the table and rattle your sabre now and again. Its a WHOLE different ballgame to start shootin into American controlled territories.

 

[magomago]

How is Iraq American controlled territory? I would think that politically we "gave it back" and realistically we never had control over the country with what goes on.

As for the topic at hand...The Iranains should not be entering Iraq. As a matter of fact, Irani Kurds shouldn't be entering Iraq period. Iraq has enough problems as it is that it needs foreign intervention. The iffy part is that if the PKK was using parts of Iraqi territory as a base to subert Irani authorities...would that be justified then? Its not like any central authority in Baghdad really has control.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Its one thing to set your balls on the table and rattle your sabre now and again. Its a WHOLE different ballgame to start shootin into American controlled territories.

I thought Iraq was a solvergn nation?

American controlled?

Occupied, but controlled?

Puppet government?

Let the new Iraq Army handle it.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Its one thing to set your balls on the table and rattle your sabre now and again. Its a WHOLE different ballgame to start shootin into American controlled territories.

I thought Iraq was a solvergn nation?

American controlled?

Occupied, but controlled?

Puppet government?

Let the new Iraq Army handle it.

Yes, Iraq is its own nation which is still essentially under American control.
Do we have troops on the ground? Yes. Why? We're involved in nation building. Its in America's interest to stabilize the region as quickly and effectively as possible.
Irans interference isnt helping that. Therefore, Iran is taking direct steps to interfere with American interests.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Insane. Its one thing to get on TV and rattle your saber, but honestly I think Iran is just *begging* for something more. Its almost like they want a war.
It makes me wonder exactly what kind of talks have went on between China Russia and Iran.
Iran has never been in a position to take on America head to head, and Isreal would love to jump in and kick some turban too. I'm wondering if Iran doesnt have a bit more help in the backseat then has been made public.

http://in.today.reuters.com/News/newsAr..._01_NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_India-247119-1.xml]Click[/url]

Iraq says Iran forces shelled Kurds in Iraq

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraq's Defence Ministry said on Sunday that Iranian forces had shelled Kurdish rebel positions this month and crossed 5 km into Iraqi territory.

Iraqi Kurdish officials had said Iranian forces shelled Iranian Kurdish rebel positions inside northern Iraq on April 21 to repel an attack, wounding at least four civilians.

"Iranian forces bombed border areas in the Haj Umran area, the Iranian forces crossed 5 km over the border and bombed Lolan with more than 180 heavy artillery shells targeting the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK)," a ministry statement said.

The statement was the first official Iraqi confirmation of the incident.

The breach by Iranian forces could fuel accusations of Iranian interference in Iraq by Sunni Arab politicians.

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Iraq accuses Iranian forces of pounding northern Iraqi territories
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Iraq accused on Sunday the Iranian forces of invading Iraqi territories and pounding positions of the rebel Kurdistan Worker's Party (PKK) in northern Arbil province.

"The Iranian forces attacked a border area named Haj Umran, crossing 5 km over the border and pounded Lolan area with more than 180 heavy artillery shells targeting the PKK," an Iraqi Defense Ministry statement said.

Iraqi Kurdish sources said that the Iranian forces also attacked the Iranian Kurdish rebel positions inside the Iraqi territories on April 21.

Iran and Turkey have been bounded by a treaty, in which Iran pledged to fight the outlawed PKK members, who has waged a 15-year insurgency against the Turkish government, and the Turks to fight the Iranian armed opposition group, the Iraq-based Mujahedi Khalk (People's Mujahedeen).

The PKK was born out of the leftist student organizations in Turkey in the 1960s. It's main goal is to set up an independent Kurdish state in southeastern Turkey.

It's founding and ideological base was primarily the work of Abdullah Ocalan, who established the group and laid down its goals, strategy, and structure.

Although the PKK was born in Turkey, it carried out its major activities from the Kurdish regions of northern Iraq, which came about in the wake of the 1991 Persian Gulf War, when Iraqi Kurds established a de facto state in northern Iraq.

Source: Xinhua

I think Iran is just *begging* for something more. Its almost like they want a war.
Or rather they don't fear war. With what is happening in Iraq there is no fear amongst the Iranians that the US would invade. An air strike would cement the mullahs authority in Iran so they don't fear that. The Iranians know that any attack on Iran would send oil over 100 a barrel, possibly 150 overnight. And the Iranians believe that in the long run that will severely harm the US economy and motivate the public in America to get out of the Mid East/Muslim countries.
Oh, and did I mention the Iranians hate us with good cause. We gave them the Shah and his torture chambers.
Yes sir, its win-win for the Iranians.
I guess it helps if you believe dying is not bad at all and therefore don't care if your countryment are killed.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Insane. Its one thing to get on TV and rattle your saber, but honestly I think Iran is just *begging* for something more. Its almost like they want a war.
It makes me wonder exactly what kind of talks have went on between China Russia and Iran.
Iran has never been in a position to take on America head to head, and Isreal would love to jump in and kick some turban too. I'm wondering if Iran doesnt have a bit more help in the backseat then has been made public.

http://in.today.reuters.com/News/newsAr..._01_NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_India-247119-1.xml]Click[/url]

Iraq says Iran forces shelled Kurds in Iraq

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraq's Defence Ministry said on Sunday that Iranian forces had shelled Kurdish rebel positions this month and crossed 5 km into Iraqi territory.

Iraqi Kurdish officials had said Iranian forces shelled Iranian Kurdish rebel positions inside northern Iraq on April 21 to repel an attack, wounding at least four civilians.

"Iranian forces bombed border areas in the Haj Umran area, the Iranian forces crossed 5 km over the border and bombed Lolan with more than 180 heavy artillery shells targeting the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK)," a ministry statement said.

The statement was the first official Iraqi confirmation of the incident.

The breach by Iranian forces could fuel accusations of Iranian interference in Iraq by Sunni Arab politicians.

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Iraq accuses Iranian forces of pounding northern Iraqi territories
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Iraq accused on Sunday the Iranian forces of invading Iraqi territories and pounding positions of the rebel Kurdistan Worker's Party (PKK) in northern Arbil province.

"The Iranian forces attacked a border area named Haj Umran, crossing 5 km over the border and pounded Lolan area with more than 180 heavy artillery shells targeting the PKK," an Iraqi Defense Ministry statement said.

Iraqi Kurdish sources said that the Iranian forces also attacked the Iranian Kurdish rebel positions inside the Iraqi territories on April 21.

Iran and Turkey have been bounded by a treaty, in which Iran pledged to fight the outlawed PKK members, who has waged a 15-year insurgency against the Turkish government, and the Turks to fight the Iranian armed opposition group, the Iraq-based Mujahedi Khalk (People's Mujahedeen).

The PKK was born out of the leftist student organizations in Turkey in the 1960s. It's main goal is to set up an independent Kurdish state in southeastern Turkey.

It's founding and ideological base was primarily the work of Abdullah Ocalan, who established the group and laid down its goals, strategy, and structure.

Although the PKK was born in Turkey, it carried out its major activities from the Kurdish regions of northern Iraq, which came about in the wake of the 1991 Persian Gulf War, when Iraqi Kurds established a de facto state in northern Iraq.

Source: Xinhua

PKK is a designated terrorist organization, so I guess Iran is doing everyone a favor.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: sandorski
Wanna invade Turkey too?

While Turkey has no love for the Kurds (Which is no secret) they have generally been at least neutral when it comes to dealings with America.

Turkey has been accused of crossing the border too. There has been a build up of Turkish troops along the border for some time now

NKARA, (Reuters) -- Turkey denied on Wednesday a news report that its troops had crossed into northern Iraq in pursuit of Kurdish militants, but it also said the new government in Baghdad must help crack down on the rebels.

Turkey Denies Troops Entered Iraq

Gul denies Turkish troops in Northern Iraq

Turkish press reports say that Ankara is amassing troops on its border with Iraq in preparation for a possible operation into northern Iraq against Turkish-Kurdish fighters of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK).

Turkey: Ankara Eyes Iraq Incursion Against PKK

 

[Bowfinger]

You know the other possibility is the report is false, either due to a mistake or perhaps even a deliberate attempt to make Iran look like the aggressor. Wonder who might have an ulterior motive for that?

Also note the report says Iran was attacking Iranian Kurdish rebels, NOT Iraqis. That wouldn't excuse a border incursion, but it's a much different picture than claiming "Iran shelled Iraq".

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

It makes sense. Iran doesn't like us and they don't want a functioning democracy right next door as it would likely add fuel to their own democracy movement. They didn't do enough to provoke us to all out war (or even retaliation at this point) but they know that the more they mess with the fragile situation in Iraq, the more likely the current Iraqi government will fail.

So they attack the Kurds. If no organized Iraqi/US response is carried out to end the attacks or protect the Kurds, the Kurds take thier ball and go home. If the Kurds go then there is no reason for any of the other factions to stick together. Badda Bing... Civil war... Oil lands and money are fought over. When the dust settles, theocratic powers arise and we look like a monkey fvcking a football as we feebly attempt to put the toothpaste back in the tube.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
You know the other possibility is the report is false, either due to a mistake or perhaps even a deliberate attempt to make Iran look like the aggressor. Wonder who might have an ulterior motive for that?

Also note the report says Iran was attacking Iranian Kurdish rebels, NOT Iraqis. That wouldn't excuse a border incursion, but it's a much different picture than claiming "Iran shelled Iraq".

The news was originally found on a Chinese publication.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
You know the other possibility is the report is false, either due to a mistake or perhaps even a deliberate attempt to make Iran look like the aggressor. Wonder who might have an ulterior motive for that?

Also note the report says Iran was attacking Iranian Kurdish rebels, NOT Iraqis. That wouldn't excuse a border incursion, but it's a much different picture than claiming "Iran shelled Iraq".

The news was originally found on a Chinese publication.

And? The report came from "Iraq's Defence Ministry", not necessarily the most impartial source of information in this case.

 

[Aimster]

The fighters in the Kurdish controlled part of Iraq are fighting Iranian and Turkish forces.

This has been going on for years now.

The media is only talking about it now because the U.S is inside Iraq now.

Those commenting on this matter should look into the history.

Both Turkey and Iran view those fighters as terrorist since they bring the fight inside Iran and inside Turkey.

 

[5150Joker]

"Kick some turban". Iranians wear turbans? Anyway I think the US needs to carve Iraq into pieces and give the Kurds their own nation.

 

[GoPackGo]

I say any foreign military forces that enter Iraq deserve a welcoming by the US Air Force.

 

[EagleKeeper]

The more the Iran can rachet up tensions, the better for them.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
"Kick some turban". Iranians wear turbans? Anyway I think the US needs to carve Iraq into pieces and give the Kurds their own nation.

I do not believe cutting out Iraq into 3 different countries is going to be the best thing to do.

Turkey will never allow a Kurdish country. If the U.S wants to allow the Kurds to get their own country, they will have to face their NATO ally Turkey. That or they can watch Turkey destroy any Kurdish force in a matter of hours.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
I say any foreign military forces that enter Iraq deserve a welcoming by the US Air Force.

You are suggesting the U.S attack Turkish forces?

That's not going to be pretty.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
I say any foreign military forces that enter Iraq deserve a welcoming by the US Air Force.

You are suggesting the U.S attack Turkish forces?

That's not going to be pretty.

For the Turkish forces, if they enter Iraq...if they HAVE been entering Iraq, well then why hasn't anything been done?

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
"Kick some turban". Iranians wear turbans? Anyway I think the US needs to carve Iraq into pieces and give the Kurds their own nation.

I do not believe cutting out Iraq into 3 different countries is going to be the best thing to do.

Turkey will never allow a Kurdish country. If the U.S wants to allow the Kurds to get their own country, they will have to face their NATO ally Turkey. That or they can watch Turkey destroy any Kurdish force in a matter of hours.

Turkey will do whatever the US tells it to do. It knows it's place.

 

[MadRat]

The hell they do. Turkey has alot of special forces types that come and go throughout the northern provinces of Iraq. Its called intelligence gathering. They're enemies, its happening and will not stop anytime soon.

On a side note, this is incredibly devious for Iran. The Shiite and Sunni factions within Iraq would just as soon shell them, too. I don't look for the collective Iraqi nation to stand up against Iran. Instead I look for them to slow play the Kurds into an internalized submission.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
The more the Iran can rachet up tensions, the better for them.

Really, how so? That certainly didn't work out very well for Saddam Hussein.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Its one thing to set your balls on the table and rattle your sabre now and again. Its a WHOLE different ballgame to start shootin into American controlled territories.

I thought Iraq was a solvergn nation?

American controlled?

Occupied, but controlled?

Puppet government?

Let the new Iraq Army handle it.

Yes, Iraq is its own nation which is still essentially under American control.
Do we have troops on the ground? Yes. Why? We're involved in nation building. Its in America's interest to stabilize the region as quickly and effectively as possible.
Irans interference isnt helping that. Therefore, Iran is taking direct steps to interfere with American interests.

We're involved in nation building???

But, but, but...

BUSH: I agree that our military is the strongest in the world today. That's not the question. The question is will it be strongest in years to come? And the warning signs are real. Everywhere I go around the campaign trail, I see people who -- moms and dads whose son or daughter may wear the uniform, and they tell me about how discouraged their son and daughter may be.

A recent poll was taken amongst 1,000 enlisted personnel, as well as officers, over half of whom are going to leave the service when their time of enlistment is up. The captains are leaving the service.

There is a problem, and it's going to require a new commander in chief to rebuild the military power.

The other day, I was honored to be flanked by Colin Powell and General Norman Schwarzkopf, who stood by my side and agreed with me.

BUSH: They said we could, even though we're the strongest military, that if we don't do something quickly, we don't have a clearer vision of the military, if we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road. And I'm going to prevent that. I'm going to rebuild our military power. It's one of the major priorities of my administration.

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