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Iran + Republican Guard + USA Flag/Swastika + Sword = War Movement?

They can't very well back down now. The leaders in Iran have tried to keep the people in their sway by arguing that the "Great Satan" that is the United States is responsible for all their problems. The US enacts harsh sanctions, so the leadership in Iran uses that as an example of American imperialism keeping Iran's populace poor. It's a method to distract people from the real problems facing their country from poor leadership. The US is guilty of the exact same thing, though our threat is the faceless evil of "terror." Whatever you can do to keep the people enthralled with the idea that someone, anyone, is responsible for their suffering, to shift the blame away from the leadership that it should rightfully fall upon.
 
Going to war over political provocation is possibly one of the dumbest things we could do right now. Unless there is a clear and imminent threat against the world, we need to go through the proper channels to get this resolved.

Iran can burn as many Israeli flags as they want and deny the Holocaust as much as they want. If that's what they need to do to feel important, then by all means, go ahead.
 
Originally posted by: Haui
Originally posted by: Stoneburner
What the hell is that title?
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Just something different....

What of it?
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math makes my head hurt!

To address what I think your thread is about, yes there is a war movement that's not in doubt. The question is whether the movement will be successful. These assholes in the administration, or mayberry Machiavellis as they have been described, are nuttier than squirrel shit. For a while I thought they wouldn't attack iran because there is nothing to attack with. Now i'm starting to realize, they don't care, they will attack with spitballs as zoell miller so eloquently stated in 2004.
 
Just as the USA has people who want a war with Iran, Iran has hardliners and those desiring more friendly relations. Sadly GWB&co. had some golden opportunities to work with moderates inside of the Iranian government right after 911 and GWB&co. spurned their efforts.

In my humble opinion, any US bombing of Iran is too likely to be almost fatal for both the US and Iran. Not to mention setting up a much wider war and resulting world wide economic depression. And even divorcing ethics and international law from the question, the timing for US saber rattling could not be worse with the US military already at the breaking point over occupations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

If we can wait just 14 more months, we can hopefully get someone rational in the white house willing to improve US Iranian relations. Meanwhile, GWB has the naval assets in place to start an Iranian bombing campaign at any time. Hardly a comforting thought given GWB's past wild over optimism. We may be only dependent on a few voices of reason within the US government being able to deter stupidity. And God help us all if Russia gives such an attack its secret blessing.
 
I saw some stock footage of supposed QUD's guys running around in the desert training.

They were all using M-16's, which I thought was odd. Leftover Iran-Contra guns?
 
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
They can't very well back down now. The leaders in Iran have tried to keep the people in their sway by arguing that the "Great Satan" that is the United States is responsible for all their problems. The US enacts harsh sanctions, so the leadership in Iran uses that as an example of American imperialism keeping Iran's populace poor. It's a method to distract people from the real problems facing their country from poor leadership. The US is guilty of the exact same thing, though our threat is the faceless evil of "terror." Whatever you can do to keep the people enthralled with the idea that someone, anyone, is responsible for their suffering, to shift the blame away from the leadership that it should rightfully fall upon.
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U.S put sanctions on Iran because their puppet regime fell.

Of course Iran's govt. is going to be like wtf. It is our fault. We ignored Iran for 20+ years and decided to have full sanctions on them.

If Iran didn't have U.S sanctions, Iran's economy would be 10th in the world. It was on track to be number 13 during the regime of Shah and that was almost 30 years ago.
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
They're asking for it. And I hope they get it, in short order.
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Life isn't a war movie, chief. War is not something we should ever hope for, certainly not over something as silly as childishly offensive inspection exercises. What the hell is wrong with you?
 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Pabster
They're asking for it. And I hope they get it, in short order.
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Life isn't a war movie, chief. War is not something we should ever hope for, certainly not over something as silly as childishly offensive inspection exercises. What the hell is wrong with you?
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This attitude has always puzzled me. It's one thing to derive enjoyment from war/action movies, video games, and other portrayals of war in media. It is quite another to actively wish for war in the real world. I can't fathom the mindset of someone who willingly wants to see thousands, if not tens or hundreds of thousands, of people killed for any reason. That's not to say I'm a pacifist; there are certainly times when war is necessary. But even in those circumstances, it is a necessary evil, and one we should never actively wish for.
 
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Pabster
They're asking for it. And I hope they get it, in short order.
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Life isn't a war movie, chief. War is not something we should ever hope for, certainly not over something as silly as childishly offensive inspection exercises. What the hell is wrong with you?
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This attitude has always puzzled me. It's one thing to derive enjoyment from war/action movies, video games, and other portrayals of war in media. It is quite another to actively wish for war in the real world. I can't fathom the mindset of someone who willingly wants to see thousands, if not tens or hundreds of thousands, of people killed for any reason. That's not to say I'm a pacifist; there are certainly times when war is necessary. But even in those circumstances, it is a necessary evil, and one we should never actively wish for.
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It doesn't surprise me at all, that is why things like American bodies being shown on tv as they are offloaded from the plane are not allowed anymore, or the actual carnage from the war is not politically correct to show on tv because the people may start asking questions they might not want to hear the answers to.

It requires critical thinking to be able to see the difference between war/action movies, video games, and other portrayals of war in media and actual war in the real world and whether it is politics, education or culture, critical thinking is the enemy of those who try to sell us poor quality education, culture (movies, music, etc.), or in this case war.
 
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
This attitude has always puzzled me. It's one thing to derive enjoyment from war/action movies, video games, and other portrayals of war in media. It is quite another to actively wish for war in the real world. I can't fathom the mindset of someone who willingly wants to see thousands, if not tens or hundreds of thousands, of people killed for any reason. That's not to say I'm a pacifist; there are certainly times when war is necessary. But even in those circumstances, it is a necessary evil, and one we should never actively wish for.
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The crystal ball that some have on this board needs to be calibrated.

I've never once said I "wished" for war. Ever. I do not.
 
Iran's economy is struggling, with dramatic price rises this year. The cost of housing and basic foodstuffs like vegetables have doubled or even quadrupled. The government also has imposed unpopular fuel rationing in an attempt to reduce expensive subsidies for imported gasoline.


That is encouraging, the more civil unrest the more likely there is to be a revolt. I have also seen video of riots over gas stations in Iran running out of gas.
 
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