Iran Puts Uranium Gas In Centrifuges

[Pabster]

Story here.

Not much of an article, admittedly, but it is an official AP piece.

The question now, in light of this, and the fact that Israel has said they believe Iran will have nukes within 3 years, is the clock ticking on a certain fate? Or are we witnessing merely the sabre rattling of an extremist Islam regime? And who is rolling the dice?

 

[Nebor]

I got a PNAC action alert for this. This, in combination with the establishment of an Iranian oil exchange, means we need to act now to secure the future of a free Iran.

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: Nebor
I got a PNAC action alert for this. This, in combination with the establishment of an Iranian oil exchange, means we need to act now to secure the future of a free Iran.

:laugh:

 

[Robor]

The cutting of their internet service in 3... 2... 1...

 

[ElFenix]

the NIE said that because they're now doing all the enriching out in the open that they aren't making a clandestine nuclear weapon.

 

[blackangst1]

I dont think at this point it matters. I think in regards to nukes, Iran is like Kim Jong il in that it wants nukes to makes it people think they are godly and untouchable, thus keeping a loyal following. Iran certainly isnt foolish enough to think they can threaten anyone with nukes and not get bitch slapped. I can think of three countries offhand with nukes that would annhialate Iran with conventional weapons if it came to that.

IMHO its like NK. Sabre rattling.

 

[Lemon law]

A few points to make.

1. Israel always underestimates the time it will take. It gets weapons and money flowing their
way.

2. The fact that Iran is starting Uranium enrichment is no secret. They can and its their right to do so if the uses are for the generation of electricity. Until it can be demonstrated its for weapons production, its going to be hard to get anyone in the international community to support the Iran bashing.

3. Given the fact that Iranian nuclear energy is potentially dual use, maybe we should try some friendlier relations with Iran so they don't go the nuclear weapons route. Something GWB already did in 2002 when he rejected Iranian moderates. And if he had not rejected those moderates then, we would not have this thread today because we would have friendlier Iranian relations and far better supervision of nuclear energy with control over the fuel rods. Another thanks George you idiot, thank God you will be soon be gone, and more rational people can hopefully fix your screw ups.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I dont think at this point it matters. I think in regards to nukes, Iran is like Kim Jong il in that it wants nukes to makes it people think they are godly and untouchable, thus keeping a loyal following. Iran certainly isnt foolish enough to think they can threaten anyone with nukes and not get bitch slapped. I can think of three countries offhand with nukes that would annhialate Iran with conventional weapons if it came to that.

IMHO its like NK. Sabre rattling.

And yet when Iran gets them, as logically it should and will, things will quiet down.

What happened to Bush's Axis of evil? I haven't heard much talk about North Korea lately? Oh, right, that's because they have nukes now. When Iran gets them, the only other on the axis will already have been made a mess.

Iran will get nukes. We have no power to stop it and should not worry about it anyway.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I dont think at this point it matters. I think in regards to nukes, Iran is like Kim Jong il in that it wants nukes to makes it people think they are godly and untouchable, thus keeping a loyal following. Iran certainly isnt foolish enough to think they can threaten anyone with nukes and not get bitch slapped. I can think of three countries offhand with nukes that would annhialate Iran with conventional weapons if it came to that.

IMHO its like NK. Sabre rattling.

And yet when Iran gets them, as logically it should and will, things will quiet down.

What happened to Bush's Axis of evil? I haven't heard much talk about North Korea lately? Oh, right, that's because they have nukes now. When Iran gets them, the only other on the axis will already have been made a mess.

Iran will get nukes. We have no power to stop it and should not worry about it anyway.

I agree.

 

[sandorski]

The difference between enriched uranium for Fuel and enriched uranium for Weapons is huge. From memory, Fuel requires approx 5% enrichment and Weapons require 80%+. The Watchdogs will know if Iran is going for Weapons a long time before the uranium can be produced.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I dont think at this point it matters. I think in regards to nukes, Iran is like Kim Jong il in that it wants nukes to makes it people think they are godly and untouchable, thus keeping a loyal following. Iran certainly isnt foolish enough to think they can threaten anyone with nukes and not get bitch slapped. I can think of three countries offhand with nukes that would annhialate Iran with conventional weapons if it came to that.

IMHO its like NK. Sabre rattling.

And yet when Iran gets them, as logically it should and will, things will quiet down.

What happened to Bush's Axis of evil? I haven't heard much talk about North Korea lately? Oh, right, that's because they have nukes now. When Iran gets them, the only other on the axis will already have been made a mess.

Iran will get nukes. We have no power to stop it and should not worry about it anyway.

But what about admeanjadod saying death to israel and the U.S.?? OMG! Did you forgetz? Thye is gonna nuke little satan and big satan , minnie me and biggie me. We must crUsh themz islamocashist foolz before they gets to sellinz their o1l to otherz!

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I dont think at this point it matters. I think in regards to nukes, Iran is like Kim Jong il in that it wants nukes to makes it people think they are godly and untouchable, thus keeping a loyal following. Iran certainly isnt foolish enough to think they can threaten anyone with nukes and not get bitch slapped. I can think of three countries offhand with nukes that would annhialate Iran with conventional weapons if it came to that.

IMHO its like NK. Sabre rattling.

And yet when Iran gets them, as logically it should and will, things will quiet down.

What happened to Bush's Axis of evil? I haven't heard much talk about North Korea lately? Oh, right, that's because they have nukes now. When Iran gets them, the only other on the axis will already have been made a mess.

Iran will get nukes. We have no power to stop it and should not worry about it anyway.

But what about admeanjadod saying death to israel and the U.S.?? OMG! Did you forgetz? Thye is gonna nuke little satan and big satan , minnie me and biggie me. We must crUsh themz islamocashist foolz before they gets to sellinz their o1l to otherz!

OT, and not a slam (seriously), but its funny amongst the P&N threads the fact that this is a techy board pokes through sometimes hehehehe I do it too

Funny stuff.

 

[Jaskalas]

I trust Iran as much as I trust a random guy in a Muslim market screaming about the 12th Imam, the end of days, and my imminent demise. Which is what they have been doing among ballistic missile and nuclear developments.

I think the question, with a dedicated enemy like this, shall we have nuclear weapons in every crackpot?s hands? Apparently so.

 

[techs]

Just putting it in a centrifuge is not a big thing.
Uranium Hexaflouride gas is one of the most corrosive substances known. It took hundreds of centrifuges, constantly being rebuilt, for the US to make our first nuke.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

How many miles to a gallon would I get?

 

[Jhhnn]

Sandorski has it right- The IAEA is right there, so the chances of Iran creating weapons grade materials w/o their detecting it are nil. So far as anybody can say with any certainty, the Iranians are doing precisely what they said they were doing- enriching uranium to reactor fuel grade. Wake me when the IAEA says different, OK?

Nice fearmongering, though, guys...

 

[fskimospy]

As mentioned above, the difference between reactor grade uranium and weapons grade uranium is simply massive. (it's actually usually over 90% enriched)

The uranium/crap mixture is pretty much comparable to the flakes of gold you see floating in goldschlager and a gold bar in a bank.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: sandorski
The difference between enriched uranium for Fuel and enriched uranium for Weapons is huge. From memory, Fuel requires approx 5% enrichment and Weapons require 80%+. The Watchdogs will know if Iran is going for Weapons a long time before the uranium can be produced.

Not really, bombs can be made with less and engergy can be produced with more.

Originally posted by: eskimospy
As mentioned above, the difference between reactor grade uranium and weapons grade uranium is simply massive. (it's actually usually over 90% enriched).

We use such highly enriched uranium to power many of our naval vessels. And regardless of how much warmongers would like to claim otherwise, Iran is within their rights to do the same.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: sandorski
The difference between enriched uranium for Fuel and enriched uranium for Weapons is huge. From memory, Fuel requires approx 5% enrichment and Weapons require 80%+. The Watchdogs will know if Iran is going for Weapons a long time before the uranium can be produced.

Not really, bombs can be made with less and engergy can be produced with more.

Originally posted by: eskimospy
As mentioned above, the difference between reactor grade uranium and weapons grade uranium is simply massive. (it's actually usually over 90% enriched).

We use such highly enriched uranium to power many of our naval vessels. And regardless of how much warmongers would like to claim otherwise, Iran is within their rights to do the same.

But they aren't? My whole point was that just because someone is enriching uranium doesn't mean that they are enriching it to the extent that it's going to make a very good nuclear weapon. While you can make a bomb with lesser uranium I find it very unlikely that they are going to go that route.

I'm not talking about what's in Iran's rights at all, just saying that there's a world of difference between fuel grade and weapons grade, and so the mere act of enrichment is not a particularly scary thing.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
My whole point was that just because someone is enriching uranium doesn't mean that they are enriching it to the extent that it's going to make a very good nuclear weapon.

Fair enough, but it seems many don't understand that when "the watchdogs" claim that in a few years Iran will be able to enrich uranium to the point they could use to build a bomb, they are taking about a dirty bomb using uranium enriched to around 20%. It will take much longer for Iran to break the 80% mark needed to make the big warheads like we have, and even such highly enriched uranium also has non-weapon uses.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Sandorski has it right- The IAEA is right there, so the chances of Iran creating weapons grade materials w/o their detecting it are nil.

Assuming the IAEA is being told everything.

Recall back to the discovery of Iran's secret nuclear program. Now you're telling us nothing can be hidden now, even though they did a damn fine job of it before. All it would take is 1 installation the IAEA does not know about for their opinion to become irrelevant.

 

[LtPage1]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I dont think at this point it matters. I think in regards to nukes, Iran is like Kim Jong il in that it wants nukes to makes it people think they are godly and untouchable, thus keeping a loyal following. Iran certainly isnt foolish enough to think they can threaten anyone with nukes and not get bitch slapped. I can think of three countries offhand with nukes that would annhialate Iran with conventional weapons if it came to that.

IMHO its like NK. Sabre rattling.

And yet when Iran gets them, as logically it should and will, things will quiet down.

What happened to Bush's Axis of evil? I haven't heard much talk about North Korea lately? Oh, right, that's because they have nukes now. When Iran gets them, the only other on the axis will already have been made a mess.

Iran will get nukes. We have no power to stop it and should not worry about it anyway.

I think we have to worry about Israel preemptively bombing the facilities, provoking a counterattack and leading to an all-out war in the Middle East that could, for the first time, go nuclear.