Originally posted by: ElDonAntonio
Originally posted by: chucky2
Originally posted by: Colt45
I only seem to recall one country that has ever used a nuclear weapon in war.
I echo
spacejamz's reply and add that Japan directly attacekd us
first, and started a war to take over the Pacific (and China). In effect, they reaped what they tried to sow.
Chuck
That's an interesting argument Chuck. Following the same logic, I'd like your opinion on two things:
1) what should Israel reap? Didn't the israelis attack the palestinians first to chase them off their land and steal everything they owned? and then proceeded to destroy everything Palestinian while keeping them in an open-air prison with ridiculous water and food resources? That's a lot of sowing.
2) Hiroshima and Nagasaki killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. That's mass murdering and extreme terrorism if you ask me. I don't care if the bomb is attached on a dude's belt or not. So if you're in support of these events, then you support "terrorism" and 9/11? do you also support the suicide attacks in Israel or in the illegally occupied territories or does that call for another set of morals?
1.) While I don't really agree with the context you've put this in, I get where you're going. I'm sure you'll be surprised to hear that I think Israel is a total cluster, and that
I actually largely agree with what the Iranian president was getting at in one of his rants, in that after WWII, we should not have advocated the Jews just roll on over to Palestine and move right on in. No other religion in the world must have their own country to exist, and the Jews don't need one either. Jews in the US, Europe, Australia, etc. are existing just fine right now w/o Israel.
So in direct answer to your question, I believe Israeli's are reaping what the beginnings of the UN sowed (that includes the US) back right after WWII, and everything they've done themselves since then. Had we not devised the "Jew" situation we did way back when, the ME would be a much more calm place. That notwithstanding, Israel is here, and it is here to stay. Blowing up civilians in Israel, and other countries that have friendly ties with it (think us and Iranian embassy, USS Cole, 9/11, etc.), is also wrong. I really do believe that normal Israeli's would be willing to co-exist with Palestinians (which is the best anyone can hope for now), but their not going to do it while the suicide bombers and the terrorist groups - some financed by Iran - are helping Israel "reap". Israel is taking the first steps by taking out their settlers...and in turn for that, they got rocketed.
2.) I'm sure if Truman could do things over again, a much better solution could be found. Possibly arrange to have Japanese units a safe distance away from the blast and have them observe it. Then give them time to make their report, and then let the Emporer know that unless they unconditional surrender, their going to be getting one of those every few days.
To be fair though, we slugged it out with the Japanese for 4 long years, lost a ton of our own, for a shooting war they started. The Japanese should count themselves very lucky we didn't conduct ourselves as they did to us, populcations on the islands they held before we liberated them, and especially the Chinese (Google Rape of Nanking). So us not wasting more of our lives for a war we didn't start doesn't exactly leave me up at night.
I understand what you're saying though: That we nuked two cities killing lots of people in a nation that started a war with us, and who we both knew we were at active war with, and one that we asked surrender to before the first bomb, and then again afterwards, then the nation didn't surrender, so we nuked them again...and that somehow compares to 19 crazies hijacking 4 civilian aircraft out of the blue because they want to strike a great blow to The Great Satan (that's what they think of us), then flying 3 of them into multinational buildings of civilians.
Yeah, I can really see how that's the same. :roll:
Chuck
EDITS: Fixed typos.