Iran doesn't want to get rid of the Jews... right?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/11/world...54e1e0974643d&ei=5094&partner=homepage
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/11/world...54e1e0974643d&ei=5094&partner=homepage
Iran hosts Holocaust denial conference
- Thread starter jrenz
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So? If the laws in Iran permit discussion of such issues, so be it. I have found that questioning history helps in getting a better understanding of it. The ones who call the Holocaust a fact have often presented their views of the issue. It would be interesting to read the view point of the those who call it a myth.
dahunan
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I understand the need for historical discussion.. but what interest could there in hearing such lunacy? People who think it is a myth need to be checked for schizophrenia
Do you truly think the whole German Government would just accept it as reality and deal with their shame if it wasn't true?
Quite possibly.
Nothing wrong with being able to debate about it, what IS wrong is it being illegal to deny it.
The viewpoint from those who call it a myth is basically flaming anti-semitism and hatred.
Do you think there is any academic merit in holding a conference to talk about how slavery in the US was a myth? Or what about that old folk-legend about the genocide in Somolia?
JEDIYoda
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Don`t get me wrong when I say this....
talk is talk and hey we all know how that goes...
Yet to debate such a horrid event in history that actually happenned - is by all explanation
bordering on making a mockery out of those lives that were taken away, snuffed out prematurely. Besides the pain and suffering that took place.
These people are trying to fabricate or invent facts that just do not exist in an attempt to say it never took place or if ot did take place it happennd at such a reduced scale.
Yet there are records that have been kept and are just now being made open to the international community. In fact the room ir shall we say massive storage area if packed from top to bottom with nothing by records and supposedly the ceilings are approx 19 ft high and the storage area is massive.....
Anyways~~!!
Shalom!
So make it illegal that you can't say the sun rotated around the earth while your at it "lolol"
I am not saying it never happened, simply that there shouldn't be laws preventing people from expressing their opinion.
Where does it end... Does it offend you or something, guess what, I'm sure they're a million other things you can say to offend people that are legal.
Once again, where does it end.
100% freedom of speech ftw, even if it means allowing people to deny the holocaust.
Comparing those two quite quite a bit off. Denying a scientific fact is one thing, denying an event which is arguably one of the lowest points in human history, which affected so many people, and which happened so relatively recently is quite another.
Granted, I am all for freedom of speech. But in a place like Germany where such a terrible event is such a major part of their history, and where there is a growing legitimate movement to wipe it out of history, they are looking at it from a different perspective.
QuantumPion
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freedom of speech is all fine and dandy...but having an international conference to debate it? In a country that daily professes their wish to annihilate all Jews? Come on now...
Of course the holocaust happened, and of course those who say otherwise are doing great wrong.
But I find it funny that the same crowd who is so quick to attack the deniers are largely the same ones who refuse any responsiblity for their own nation's wrongs.
Nearly half as many killed in the Holocaust were killed by a war for preserving the colonization of Viet Nam. They had gas chambers, we had B-52's with agent orange.
I wonder if Germany has nimrods who are our counterparts yelling "Blame Germany First!" at those who discuss the holocaust, and ask why they hate Germany so much.
But I find it funny that the same crowd who is so quick to attack the deniers are largely the same ones who refuse any responsiblity for their own nation's wrongs.
Nearly half as many killed in the Holocaust were killed by a war for preserving the colonization of Viet Nam. They had gas chambers, we had B-52's with agent orange.
I wonder if Germany has nimrods who are our counterparts yelling "Blame Germany First!" at those who discuss the holocaust, and ask why they hate Germany so much.
Uh oh... here comes Craig to turn yet another thread into a "It's all America's fault" discussion.
No, jrenz, I use accuracy; some things are, not all by any means. The problem is you and your fellow right-wing cultists who falsely deny the things that are.
Iran has never said Jews were not killed during WW2
The media is twisting things around. Of course Iran's whole point for this is not to go against Jews.
It is yet another hand that Iran exceeds to the Palestinians over their own people who are Persian whereas the Palestinians are Arabs.
The point of this entire thing is to blame Europe for the creation of Israel and to care too much about Palestinians who wanted Iranians dead during the Arab invasion.
Basically it is a cry that goes like this
"why do you always talk about the Jews. 40 million other people were killed. In Europe you are not allowed to bring up the Holocaust in a negative way because Europe made it stick out because they wanted the Jews to go away to Israel"
The media is twisting things around. Of course Iran's whole point for this is not to go against Jews.
It is yet another hand that Iran exceeds to the Palestinians over their own people who are Persian whereas the Palestinians are Arabs.
The point of this entire thing is to blame Europe for the creation of Israel and to care too much about Palestinians who wanted Iranians dead during the Arab invasion.
Basically it is a cry that goes like this
"why do you always talk about the Jews. 40 million other people were killed. In Europe you are not allowed to bring up the Holocaust in a negative way because Europe made it stick out because they wanted the Jews to go away to Israel"
Him and Dave have a lot in common. The only difference is he apparently thinks before he writes, and then believes anybody cares about his extended writing capability.
I personally think the guy is on the payroll of the DNC. He writes up these wonderful threads defending the left or attacking the right. Anytime somebody insults the party he is front center leading the charge.
Accuracy is not your strong point. You take otherwise legitimate claims and completely overstate them in an attempt to make America seem like the greatest evil to ever exist.
yllus
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Um, not really. The media is getting this exactly right. If we're talking about root causes, this is really about giving the Iranian regime another small way to continue their "the world/our country would be in great shape if not for the Jews" scapegoating.
There is the fact that, for instance, far many more Serbians died in prison camps at the hands of the Axis powers than Jews. But I've never quite seen why the Jewish should feel that they should tone down their own sense of history because of the suffering of others.
lol @ Craig234 managing to find a way to mention America and its endless sources of historical guilt in a thread about a Holocaust denial conference. Inventive little boy.
I listen to his speeches and I know exactly what he is saying
You read a headline of his speech on some news article.
He has never said Jews were not killed during WW2.
If anything he is blamming Europe and not the Jews. In fact he has never blammed the Jews.
If you wish to know what his message is I will tell you. It is not about "No Jews were killed during WW2"
Eh they are shooting themselves in the foot - from what I've read the argument follows along the line of "we aren't saying they died, but not as many died as they said".
Either way they know it comes out looking VERY bad, and not even the best PR campaign could salvage this.
In reality this is giving American/Israel an excuse to bomb them so they can say "OMGGZZ TEH HOLOCAUST DENIER!" So those who want to actively bomb Iran are most likely overjoyed because it can add another reason to do so.
Stupid Move President - it looks bad and distances people away from you, and it will be used in the justifacation of the bombing of your country. Perhaps next time think a little bit before you jump to knee jerk reactions
Either way they know it comes out looking VERY bad, and not even the best PR campaign could salvage this.
In reality this is giving American/Israel an excuse to bomb them so they can say "OMGGZZ TEH HOLOCAUST DENIER!" So those who want to actively bomb Iran are most likely overjoyed because it can add another reason to do so.
Stupid Move President - it looks bad and distances people away from you, and it will be used in the justifacation of the bombing of your country. Perhaps next time think a little bit before you jump to knee jerk reactions
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