iPhone tracking your movements and keeping a secret file

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Now that the file is known, expect it to be exploited by anyone and everyone. Especially anyone involving ads.

 

[MotionMan]

Why not just have a government video camera placed on you at all times? I mean, you arent doing anything illegal, right? Your life is boring, who would actually watch it?

What if it proves you didnt commit a crime someday?

Because that is the government having the information.

The information in question is on MY phone and MY computer. Someone is going to have to reach into MY property to get it.

I know you can see the difference.

MotionMan

 

[MotionMan]

Now that the file is known, expect it to be exploited by anyone and everyone. Especially anyone involving ads.

I do not expect that at all.

Anyone who tries to use it without permission is going to get hurt.

Now, there may be companies that may develop apps to use it with the users knowledge (like location services are suppose to work). That is different.

MotionMan

 

[OCGuy]

Because that is the government having the information.

The information in question is on MY phone and MY computer. Someone is going to have to reach into MY property to get it.

I know you can see the difference.

MotionMan

I already told you how easy it is for the government to obtain that information, just look at Michigan. Hell, I dont even want private companies having that information without my knowledge.

Judging by your name, you know just how easy it is for a government entity to obtain any document/file/etc they want.


http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2159558

"The Michigan State Police have started using handheld machines called "extraction devices" to download personal information from motorists they pull over, even if they're not suspected of any crime. Naturally, the ACLU has a problem with this.

The devices, sold by a company called Cellebrite, can download text messages, photos, video, and even GPS data from most brands of cell phones. The handheld machines have various interfaces to work with different models and can even bypass security passwords and access some information"

 

[MotionMan]

I already told you how easy it is for the government to obtain that information, just look at Michigan. Hell, I dont even want private companies having that information without my knowledge.

Judging by your name, you know just how easy it is for a government entity to obtain any document/file/etc they want.

No can legally get the information from your phone or computer without giving notice.

You seem overly worried about someone obtaining this information illegally.

MotionMan

 

[cheezy321]

Why not just have a government video camera placed on you at all times? I mean, you arent doing anything illegal, right? Your life is boring, who would actually watch it?

What if it proves you didnt commit a crime someday?

That is quite the extreme leap of logic you are taking there.

 

[OCGuy]

That is quite the extreme leap of logic you are taking there.

Yes because being able to track actions is such a leap from being able to track locations.

Years ago when GPS was first declassified for private use, I bet somebody would have argued that a company being able to track your every move without your knowledge was ludicrous as well.

 

[MotionMan]

I already told you how easy it is for the government to obtain that information, just look at Michigan. Hell, I dont even want private companies having that information without my knowledge.

Judging by your name, you know just how easy it is for a government entity to obtain any document/file/etc they want.


http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2159558

"The Michigan State Police have started using handheld machines called "extraction devices" to download personal information from motorists they pull over, even if they're not suspected of any crime. Naturally, the ACLU has a problem with this.

The devices, sold by a company called Cellebrite, can download text messages, photos, video, and even GPS data from most brands of cell phones. The handheld machines have various interfaces to work with different models and can even bypass security passwords and access some information"

Yes. We get it.

However, do you get that it is ILLEGAL!?!

MotionMan

 

[OCGuy]

Yes. We get it.

However, do you get that it is ILLEGAL!?!

MotionMan

Who cares if it is "illegal"? They are still harvseting the data. And this one could take years to go to the SCOTUS. If no judge puts an injunction against the practice, it could go on forever.

The laws are not keeping up with technology.

 

[MotionMan]

Yes because being able to track actions is such a leap from being able to track locations.

Years ago when GPS was first declassified for private use, I bet somebody would have argued that a company being able to track your every move without your knowledge was ludicrous as well.

Nope. I does, and did, make perfect sense. However, that is not what is happening here.

The information is contained on OUR phone and on OUR computer, like all our OTHER CONFIDENTIAL DIGITAL INFORMATION!!!

If you are THAT concerned with the government stealing your information, turn in your phone, computer, PVR, car and other electronics.

You are being paranoid.

MotionMan

 

[rudeguy]

Sorry, all Droids are tracking you as well.

can you prove this Dave?

Cause in the hundred or so times I've gone through Android setup...it always asks if I want to enable that.

 

[MotionMan]

Who cares if it is "illegal"? They are still harvseting the data. And this one could take years to go to the SCOTUS. If no judge puts an injunction against the practice, it could go on forever.

The laws are not keeping up with technology.

It is not "illegal", it is illegal.

Who is harvesting the data?

MotionMan

 

[OCGuy]

It is not "illegal", it is illegal.

Who is harvesting the data?

MotionMan

Michigan police.

I think you are missing the point entirely. It isn't about them needing to get a warrant to get at a file on my computer. The point is, I dont want the damn file on my computer in the first place.

 

[cheezy321]

Yes because being able to track actions is such a leap from being able to track locations.

Years ago when GPS was first declassified for private use, I bet somebody would have argued that a company being able to track your every move without your knowledge was ludicrous as well.

Information being stored on your phone and not being sent to someone else is the same as the government collecting the information and spying on you? Color me surprised.

EDIT: I think this is pretty terrible too, but you all are fearmongering like crazy.

 

[rudeguy]

Michigan police.

I think you are missing the point entirely. It isn't about them needing to get a warrant to get at a file on my computer. The point is, I dont want the damn file on my computer in the first place.

Please provide proof that Michigan police are harvesting data.

 

[MotionMan]

Michigan police.

I think you are missing the point entirely. It isn't about them needing to get a warrant to get at a file on my computer. The point is, I dont want the damn file on my computer in the first place.

So turn in all your electronics and be done with it.

MotionMan

 

[OCGuy]

Please provide proof that Michigan police are harvesting data.

It cant be more than a few posts up from yours...

 

[rudeguy]

It cant be more than a few posts up from yours...

Great.

So please provide proof

 

[OCGuy]

Great.

So please provide proof

You cant possibly be this obtuse. The ACLU is just going to waste resources on a made up issue?

Michigan isnt even denying it:



"To that end, it's petitioning the MSP to turn over information about its use of the devices under the Freedom of Information Act. The MSP said it's happy to comply, that is, if the ACLU provides them with a processing fee in excess of $500,000. That's more than $100,000 for each of the five devices the MSP says it has in use

Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20055431-1.html#ixzz1KCOllpjv

 

[MotionMan]

Are the Michigan cops keeping any of the data from the phones?

MotionMan

 

[Starcrosser]

I caught my neighbor's iPhone staring in my bedroom window, last night. Seriously though, a particular amount of privacy is a right, particularly with a product that you purchase. Maybe you all trust the police, but I sure as hell don't; from experience.

 

[MotionMan]

The ACLU is just going to waste resources on a made up issue?

I am not sure that is your best argument.



MotionMan

 

[OCGuy]

Please tell me you are just trying to play devil's advocate here and are not actually OK with any of that..

 

[MotionMan]

Please tell me you are just trying to play devil's advocate here and are not actually OK with any of that..

Please tell me you are just trying to play devil's advocate here and are not actually afraid of anyone caring about where your phone has been.

MotionMan

 

[OCGuy]

Please tell me you are just trying to play devil's advocate here and are not actually afraid of anyone caring about where your phone has been.

MotionMan

Then we agree, there is no need for the data to exist, because nobody cares about it.