Originally posted by: aphex
Originally posted by: CZroe
Originally posted by: aphex
Im confused. Are you streaming music from OCREMIX.org? or downloading it, throwing it into iTunes, and playing in the iPod.app on the iPhone?
The second thing... not that it matters. ANY track with a long artist, album, or song name will be truncated and will not scroll to show what has been truncated. WTF?! Am I the only person to have a problem with this? Am I the only person to *expect* to be able to read the information that I KNOW is there? If so, why has every other MP3 player since the first one with ID3 support always made sure to have scrolling options? People just don't notice when something like that inexplicably goes away on such a supposedly "advanced" music playback device?
Well it does matter, the reason I ask is that if you were streaming the music, you wouldn't be using the iPod app, you would be using the quicktime video player.
THAT'S not what I was saying doesn't matter... I'm saying that MP3s with average-length track information, regardless of where they were obtained, will be truncated... as long as they aren't from a "Gravity Kills" album (only one album had songs with more than one-word titles).
IOW, OCREMIX was irrelevant except as an example of particularly long track titles. I know that the playback app matters, but it's clear which ones I'm talking about from the pic in the OP: mini and full playback interfaces for iTunes-loaded tracks. The main app's track info, despite having ALL of the screen real-estate, is truncated so much that even the mini-player displays more info!
Originally posted by: aphexFrom my own perspective, in over a year with the iPhone i've never run into an issue where the lack of a scrolling title/artist caused me any annoyance whatsoever, in fact, I didn't even know it didn't scroll until this thread. All my song titles and artists fit on there just fine, so for me, its not an issue.
While i'm sure your not the first to complain about it, splitting my time between here and MacRumors forums, I don't think i've ever even seen the topic brought up before. In fact, even google doesn't seem to have much information about the topic either. Your certainly not alone, but I think for the majority of us its a non-issue.
Which is precisely why I am frustrated with the lack of discussion. It's the typical Apple "reality distortion field" that has all users pretending that their products are perfect and never complaining. I still remember seeing an idiot who said that the reason A2DP wasn't in the iPhone was because it wasn't good enough for Steve Jobs (HE WAS TOTALLY SERIOUS). Sure, the iPhone has received its criticisms, and a list of drawbacks will always mention the lack of A2DP and video recording, but that only makes it that much more disturbing that reviewers and users are willing to turn a blind eye to problems as basic as this.
Originally posted by: aphexI agree that the iPhone should have this seemingly basic feature, but what I fail to comprehend is why it bothers you so much. You appear to be completely freaking out over the fact that the info won't scroll. Here's a solution: If the phone doesn't live up to your expectations, return it. Simple as that. Or, in the alternative, just retag the files after you throw them in iTunes. It would take all of 5 seconds per song.
I dunno, I just think your getting a bit dramatic about something kinda trivial.
I'm not "freaking out." I'm angry that 1) No amount of research and Googling could turn up confirmation of this without having THIS conversation where I open myself up for criticism for even caring and 2) No store displays are configured properly for me to find out myself. What is the point of creating a store display to demo a product if it DOES NOT DEMO THE FREAKIN' PRODUCT?! Heads should roll. Think about how much money is wasted on functional demo products at Best Buy, Circuit City, etc.
Originally posted by: ChAoTiCpInOy
Really though, shouldn't you know what songs are playing when you play them? You did buy them so you know what they're called. Like aphex said before, I think you are being a little too dramatic about it. Do you really stare at your screen the whole time while a song is playing?
This is hilarious. Am I the only person who listens to music he's never heard before on his digital audio player? How am I supposed to EVER know the details if I can't get them from my primary listening device?
Also, are we so accustomed to the commercial music industry that we assume that all music is commercial music? To use the example we've already discussed, tell me where I can pay for the OCREMIX content.
If I download a torrent of OCREMIX submissions, I'm not going to sit there and listen to every one before loading it on my primary listening device (what a waste of time). While listening to a random sampling, if a particular track catches my attention, I'd like to be able to see who the artist is and what they call their creation or what game/source track it is from. It's one reason why they submitted it in the first place or else they'd all be anonymous. Heck, more often than not, it's someone I am sharing it with that wants to know. Even if I had heard it before, it's not like I recognize what particular artist made one mix out of a hundred mixes of the same source track, much less memorized all of them (hundreds and hundreds of artists, most using handles instead of real names). If the information is on there, why can't I get at it?
Originally posted by: Aimster
I have owned top of the line Nokia phones and top of the line Motorola phones (not really saying much).
Iphone sound quality is the best out of any phone ever.
Don't like it? Too bad. It's the best in terms of sound quality on a phone. It's perfect
No one said anything about the audio playback quality and I am hardly the one to dispute or support it. No earbuds fit in my or my brother's ears (not even for a second) and I prefer an A2DP Bluetooth headset. In fact, my hearing is so bad, I can rarely discern lyrics from any kind of music on any kind of speaker, much less any "audiophile" quality distinctions. Perhaps that's why my tastes are more... instrumental: Well-made video game music (OCREMIX community), lyric-shy electronica (The Crystal Method "Legion of Boom"), movie scores/soundtracks (Hans Zimmer "Wings of a Film"), and musicals/prog-rock (Jeff Wayne's "War of the Worlds").
As it stands, you are more proof of the problem: Users who blindly defend the iPhone while ignoring its flaws. Perfect example, right here folks: He didn't even know what we were complaining about before swooping in to defend it regardless of the actual complaint. Sure, it has strengths, and the audio quality looks like one of them but, must we ignore all else? What if I was complaining about the lack of subscription music? Limited file-format support? Non-user-serviceable battery? Are those complaints any less valid? The only difference is that those are
well-known limitations, while the ridiculously small display area that doesn't scroll seems to have flown under everyone's radar, but this kind of response is always the same.
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: ChAoTiCpInOy
Really though, shouldn't you know what songs are playing when you play them? You did buy them so you know what they're called. Like aphex said before, I think you are being a little too dramatic about it. Do you really stare at your screen the whole time while a song is playing?
That's dumb. Maybe he's making an overly big deal out of it, but it's a pretty simple function to scroll titles that don't fit on the display. I have a $20 clip on player by some no name brand that can do that.
It's much like the iPhone as a whole. It curiously leaves out basic functions that even the cheapest phones from 5 years ago have.
Hear hear! Partly why I appear to be making a big deal out of it is because 1) no one seemed to understand my complaint, despite taking pains to explain it in far too much detail, thus necessitating even more "complaining" and 2) because it's something that is so simple and standard it's almost ridiculous that seemingly no one has complained in the past. If it's just me, I might as well be LOUD!
If the effort to get others to understand it is automatically perceived as "making a big deal out of it," oh well! If I have to go through all that effort to
further explain such a simple lacking feature, I might as well rub it in while I do so.
Originally posted by: onlyCOpunk
Now I see what he is talking about.
But if it really bothers you that much you can reedit the names in iTunes. Honestly I never even gave this a thought because I always know what I'm listening to and just press play and put the thing back in my pocket.
So, it looks like the iPod Touch and iPhone are simply not appropriate listening devices for listening to music you've never heard before. If it is such a mass-market product, it should at least accommodate the various listening scenarios that even the earliest digital audio players have accommodated.
Plenty of people complained that the original 512MB stick-style iPod Shuffle was a step backwards before Steve Jobs' Reality Distortion Field hit and turned it into a "new aural audio experience" of not knowing what to expect (as if all DAPs didn't have a "shuffle" feature!). Unlike the screen-less Shuffle, the iPod Touch and iPhone have no excuse with their large, gorgeous, screens. Even if I cared to do it, editing the info to be shorter means throwing supporting details away (eg: some tracks have long lists of collaborators), which is exactly what the player truncating them does. Back to squa- er, problem number one!
Originally posted by: onlyCOpunkIf the lack of this feature really bugs you enough to not buy an iPhone or a Touch, then don't, no need to gripe about something that isn't really an issue to you.
Perhaps you missed the whole point: I already own a 16GB iPhone 3G and found that, unlike A2DP, this has seeming never been brought up ANYWHERE. I wonder how I was supposed to discover it before BUYING it and finding it lacking? At least I knew what to expect with A2DP and I purchased an adapter.
There *IS* a "need to gripe" and it is precisely contradictory to your solution of "not buying it." So, which will it be? Not ask questions to confirm publicly and make others aware ("griping") or not buying it despite never knowing that it could not do something so basic? Still having trouble spotting the contradiction? Let me lay it out: In order to know and "not buy it" someone has to "gripe" about it first. Show me someone else who has griped about it or STOP trying to shut up the only one you've ever encountered.
One of the criticisms in this thread is that I seem to be the only one griping about it; and that is AFTER I bought it. Chicken & Egg Scenario man. Without someone getting it and "griping," how will others follow your advice to me? Don't be dismissive of the complaint just because it's a complaint. It is the ONLY way to avoid other spurned buyers. Also, let's not pretend that there are plenty of equivalent alternatives to the iPhone. It's not exactly the same as buying a different DAP because the Touch didn't suit your needs.
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