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I was under the impression that it didn't sell well.

From the Wikipedia article:

Within the first week of presales in January 2007, Apple TV was the top selling item at the Apple Store. [109] Orders exceeded 100,000 units by the end of January and Apple began ramping-up to sell over a million units before the 2007 holiday season.[110] Analysts began calling it a "DVD killer"[111] that could enable multiple services. Analysts also predicted that Apple could sell up to 1.5 million units in the first year.[112] Besides the Apple Store, Best Buy was one of the first retailers to carry the device;[113] Target and Costco[114] followed shortly thereafter.

Two months into sales, Forrester Research predicted that Apple would only sell a million Apple TV units, because consumers prefer advertisement-supported content over paid content. Forrester predicted that cable companies would be the clear winners over content providers such as the iTunes Store.[115] Shortly after, Apple released YouTube functionality and Jobs stated that Apple TV was a "DVD player for the Internet". Market analysts immediately saw that YouTube on Apple TV "provides a glimpse of this product's potential and its future evolution",[116] but overall, analysts had mixed reactions regarding the future of Apple TV. Some negative reactions followed after Jobs referred to the device as a "hobby", implying it was less significant than the Macintosh, iPod, and iPhone.[117]
In the fourth quarter of 2008, sales were triple that of the fourth quarter of 2007.[118]

In Apple's first-quarter 2009 financial results conference call, acting chief executive Tim Cook stated that Apple TV sales increased three times over the same quarter a year ago. Cook mentioned that the movie rental business was working well for Apple, Apple would continue investment in movie rentals and Apple TV, but Apple TV is still considered a hobby for the company.[118] Due to the growth of digital TV and consumers turning to Internet media services, an analyst predicted sales of 6.6 million Apple TVs by the end of 2009.[119]
 

MrX8503

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Apple tv sold better than I thought but it still pales in comparison to the ipads sales of 1M/month.

Android apps dont suck on their own but compared to an iOS variant, they're not very good.
 

zerocool84

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Apple tv sold better than I thought but it still pales in comparison to the ipads sales of 1M/month.

Android apps dont suck on their own but compared to an iOS variant, they're not very good.

I know quite a few people who have Apple TV. It's not a bad device at all and cheap and EXTREMELY tiny but it lacks some features compared to other devices. I seriously can't believe how small Apple TV is in real life. It looks like a big cockroach.
 

TheStu

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I know quite a few people who have Apple TV. It's not a bad device at all and cheap and EXTREMELY tiny but it lacks some features compared to other devices. I seriously can't believe how small Apple TV is in real life. It looks like a big cockroach.

I assume you mean the new one. The old one was reasonably small, but the new one is obscene.
 

pm

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I'm not sure how we started talking about the Apple TV, but for what it's worth, I'm not impressed with much more than the size and the power consumption and the video quality - all of which are good - but I think it's far to tied to the Apple universe and iTunes (no surprise) and lacks content. I still think Apple 24 hour rentals are expensive and too short - my wife and I often watch 1 hour of a show and then watch the remaining half the next night... if they would just make it a 28 hour rental instead that would be MUCH better for us. Still, I'll stick with my Windows 7 Media Center and Redbox and Netflix.
 

Pliablemoose

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Still, I'll stick with my Windows 7 Media Center and Redbox and Netflix.

I think Apple TV's real niche is as a Netflix streamer...

$100 isn't too bad.

I use Netflix streaming, and OTA with Windows Media Center (using WMC as a DVR) & a dual tuner card. I spent nearly a grand on my HTPC, were I to do it again, I'd likely just go with Apple TV & Netflix streaming, and I'd likely never buy anything from the iTunes store.

What's really holding back the industry is the damn cable encryption and cable cards IMHO...
 

pm

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I agree Pliable, although I'm not as impressed with the Apple TV. I spent about $500 on my HTPC and I love it. And, amazingly, my wife loves it too - she says it's the best thing her geek-of-a-husband has ever made. :) I wouldn't be happy with an Apple TV - when I looked at it, it looked like it did about 35&#37; of what I want.

I think the world will bypass the encryption and will just go internet TV, if the content providers can survive the change. I still use our ATSC tuner to record OTA HD (and SD). It works well enough, but I liked the choices of our cable better before they went encrypted (after which I promptly dropped them). If the universe heads to Internet TV, then Apple TV might work better, but for right now it looks limited and not really compatible with the way that I have our media library formated
 
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tatteredpotato

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I agree Pliable, although I'm not as impressed with the Apple TV. I spent about $500 on my HTPC and I love it. And, amazingly, my wife loves it too - she says it's the best thing her geek-of-a-husband has ever made. :) I wouldn't be happy with an Apple TV - when I looked at it, it looked like it did about 35% of what I want.

The Apple TV isn't on par with a HTPC or Xbox type device IMO, however I'm thinking about getting my parents one for Netflix. I got them the Roku box last year but they're having WiFi issues. The Roku with wireless n is the same price as the Apple TV, so I figure might as well give it a go.
 

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I think Apple TV's real niche is as a Netflix streamer...

$100 isn't too bad.

I use Netflix streaming, and OTA with Windows Media Center (using WMC as a DVR) & a dual tuner card. I spent nearly a grand on my HTPC, were I to do it again, I'd likely just go with Apple TV & Netflix streaming, and I'd likely never buy anything from the iTunes store.

What's really holding back the industry is the damn cable encryption and cable cards IMHO...

Well, almost all electronic devices have netflix on them now so it isn't so compelling for those that are going to get a new tv or blu-ray drive anyway...
 

BoberFett

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I've personally never seen the need for iPad, but I just found my killer app yesterday that might make me jump on it. MusicNotes.com has an iPad app which will display your sheet music that you purchase from them, and you flip pages with a finger swipe. No more futzing with trying to grab a page corner while playing. It sounds like it can transpose on the fly, and you can mark up the music. I may have just been sold on the iPad.

http://www.musicnotes.com/ipad/
 

DivideBYZero

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http://www.cnbc.com/id/39501308



I remember quite a few threads where the iPad was predicted to be a massive failure :)

<---hmmm, eyes the search function of the forums...


the iPad is getting so much bad press, it's going to take a while to overcome all the hate... And I have to admit, a lowly netbook kicks the shit out of an iPad as far as functionality, till Apple gets it's shit together and puts in cameras, etc, it's not going to sell that well.

http://www.tfnn.net/forum/index.php?topic=68475.msg1072822#msg1072822

:whiste:
 

aphex

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I didn't know i had much of a use for an iPad until I got one as a present. 80&#37; of the time you'll now find me using the iPad rather than my computer for web browsing, listening to music and watching tv shows, what I do mostly on the computer outside work. Its just easy and convenient, which goes a long way in my book.
 

MrX8503

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I didn't know i had much of a use for an iPad until I got one as a present. 80% of the time you'll now find me using the iPad rather than my computer for web browsing, listening to music and watching tv shows, what I do mostly on the computer outside work. Its just easy and convenient, which goes a long way in my book.

I think thats what most people are using their iPad's for. Honestly if I ever got a tablet, it would be my goto device for couch surfing.

I don't have a tablet yet because I'd like a tablet that does full desktop internet browsing. I'm not sure if and when we'll get that.
 

Pliablemoose

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http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20019286-17.html

Wow, Wally World will have them for Christmas...

I think thats what most people are using their iPad's for. Honestly if I ever got a tablet, it would be my goto device for couch surfing.

I don't have a tablet yet because I'd like a tablet that does full desktop internet browsing. I'm not sure if and when we'll get that.

I really don't miss desktop browsing, the iPad is pretty good.
 
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zerocool84

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I don't have a tablet yet because I'd like a tablet that does full desktop internet browsing. I'm not sure if and when we'll get that.

That's the biggest thing I didn't like about it. It's missing a lot of other stuff but this was the biggest fault I felt it had. You really can't surf the whole internet but we just need to give all tablets time. I figure in two years tablets will get good enough to give a near desktop experience since the iPad gave us the tablet explosion so it'll grow fast.
 

TheStu

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That's the biggest thing I didn't like about it. It's missing a lot of other stuff but this was the biggest fault I felt it had. You really can't surf the whole internet but we just need to give all tablets time. I figure in two years tablets will get good enough to give a near desktop experience since the iPad gave us the tablet explosion so it'll grow fast.

What I wonder is if the other side will concede as well, in the same way that tablets will become more capable and closer to 'desktop' browsing, will the web start becoming more tablet/phone friendly?

I can't really find figures on this, but I would be interested in seeing some sort of quantitative analysis on Flash prevalence on the web post-iPhone. I know for sure that mobile sites have flourished and actually become a thing, so I would be interested to see what effect the iPhone and its ilk have had on websites dropping Flash and what not. I know that there are tons of sties with Flash and that it isn't going anywhere any time soon, but I remember at one point that someone referenced Red Robin as a restaurant website that used Flash, well it doesn't anymore.
 

zerocool84

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What I wonder is if the other side will concede as well, in the same way that tablets will become more capable and closer to 'desktop' browsing, will the web start becoming more tablet/phone friendly?

I can't really find figures on this, but I would be interested in seeing some sort of quantitative analysis on Flash prevalence on the web post-iPhone. I know for sure that mobile sites have flourished and actually become a thing, so I would be interested to see what effect the iPhone and its ilk have had on websites dropping Flash and what not. I know that there are tons of sties with Flash and that it isn't going anywhere any time soon, but I remember at one point that someone referenced Red Robin as a restaurant website that used Flash, well it doesn't anymore.

I really hope we move away from Flash asap and I'm glad we're getting the push to get away from it.
 

PhoKingGuy

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When the iPad came out I thought it was the biggest POS ever thought of.


I use mine at least 2-3 hours a day.....I haven't touched my T43 in 2 weeks. Whoops....
 

zerocool84

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The original Lunar series, Vay, ok, any Working Designs games, Sonic CD, etc. made it worth it. Still have mine :)

ahahaha me too

Those were the best games no one played. Literally no one played them. I didn't like the remakes on Playstation.
 

akugami

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What I wonder is if the other side will concede as well, in the same way that tablets will become more capable and closer to 'desktop' browsing, will the web start becoming more tablet/phone friendly?

I can't really find figures on this, but I would be interested in seeing some sort of quantitative analysis on Flash prevalence on the web post-iPhone. I know for sure that mobile sites have flourished and actually become a thing, so I would be interested to see what effect the iPhone and its ilk have had on websites dropping Flash and what not. I know that there are tons of sties with Flash and that it isn't going anywhere any time soon, but I remember at one point that someone referenced Red Robin as a restaurant website that used Flash, well it doesn't anymore.

Flash is too prevalent to die any time soon but HTML5 is not up to par yet and even then, some of the security risks associated with Flash seems to be popping up on HTML5 with things like persistent tracking cookies.

And on the subject of Flash, I don't think it's needed on a mobile phone but tablet devices like the iPad definitely need it. Just give me the ability to turn it off similar to the Flashblock plugin on Firefox.

And while I'm not a fan of Flash, football season has started and sometimes when I'm at work and want to keep up with the game the "Gamechannel" in the Yahoo Sports page is one use of Flash that I definitely love.