Invasion repelled.

[ivwshane]

Given the amount of time they spent constructing it, not abandoning the idea, I'd say they saw plenty of value in it.

Like being conquered for a 100 years by some of the very people they were trying to keep out?

Like having hundreds of thousands of people die while building it?

By giving their people something to do for 2500 years.

That kind of value?

 

[SlowSpyder]

Like being conquered for a 100 by some of the very people they were trying to keep out?

Like having hundreds of thousands of people die while building it?

By giving their people something to do for 2500 years.

That kind of value?

No, defensive value you dolt.

 

[Viper1j]

That's not how it works. The government takes your land and pays you pennies on the dollar. You have no say, well you could spend your next ten years income on lawyers and lose, so pick one.

Nope, I researched that little fact when I was having a discussion with someone else. While there are "eminent domain" laws at the municipal, county and state levels, there is no federal eminent domain law.

The feds might try a "quid pro quo" thing where they get a city to seize the land under eminent domain in return for some type of kickback in the future, but it would be pretty easy to spot that kind of thing, and you might most likely prevail in court.

I'm curious as to how deep your knowledge of history is; how well did that wall work out?

Almost as well as that wall in Berlin.

 

[Jaskalas]

Better idea.. give all 200 million Mexican's green cards with a treaty that Americans can live in Mexico and enjoy the cheap subsidized by government healthcare. Win Win!

Why the hell would anyone want to live with all that violence, death, and destruction?
Mexico is better classified as a war zone than a country.

'It's a Crisis of Civilization in Mexico.' 250,000 Dead. 37,400 Missing.

Some 37,000 people in Mexico are categorized as “missing” by the government. The vast majority are believed to be dead, victims of the country’s spiraling violence that has claimed more than 250,000 lives since 2006. The country’s murder rate has more than doubled to 26 per 100,000 residents, five times the U.S. figure. ​

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Nope, I researched that little fact when I was having a discussion with someone else. While there are "eminent domain" laws at the municipal, county and state levels, there is no federal eminent domain law.

The feds might try a "quid pro quo" thing where they get a city to seize the land under eminent domain in return for some type of kickback in the future, but it would be pretty easy to spot that kind of thing, and you might most likely prevail in court.



Almost as well as that wall in Berlin.

Interesting and good to know. I have an extended family member who had forest land which was worth tens of millions and was paid about a thousandth of its value.

 

[Viper1j]

Interesting and good to know. I have an extended family member who had forest land which was worth tens of millions and was paid about a thousandth of its value.

I'm going to insist that Donny buy my land out of his own pocket.

Plus a weekend with Malaria. ;p

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I'm going to insist that Donny buy my land out of his own pocket.

Plus a weekend with Malaria. ;p

Do it! BTW, I should have said that it was a state that took this mans land.

 

[Jhhnn]

The wall will help more. Education is available, scholarships are everywhere, financing is available... simply put, anyone that wants an education has plenty of inroads to that. In today's world the left has created a narrative that if you have to work for something then it needs to be made easier, which is their retarded way of looking at it, but let's not pretend anyone that wants to put in just an ounce of effort cannot get educated if that is what they want. Healthcare is a little more complicated, while an emergency room won't turn anyone away, some treatments and options aren't available if one doesn't have the means or the right insurance. In stead of the government socializing care, I think getting our costs back down to a realistic realm would be a much better fix. Getting rid of ambulance chasers and some level of regulation can help there. The wall will help all Americans, create jobs and preserve many other jobs for citizens, will make it harder for people to come unvetted into our country. The wall will likely pay for itself many times over.

That's the old infinite jobs higher up the foodchain routine. It also assumes that half the population doesn't have below average intelligence, as well.

The whole Wall argument hinges on the false notion that the number of unauthorized immigrants in this country is growing when it is, in fact, shrinking-

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2018/11/...grant-total-dips-to-lowest-level-in-a-decade/

 

[SlowSpyder]

Why the hell would anyone want to live with all that violence, death, and destruction?
Mexico is better classified as a war zone than a country.

'It's a Crisis of Civilization in Mexico.' 250,000 Dead. 37,400 Missing.

Some 37,000 people in Mexico are categorized as “missing” by the government. The vast majority are believed to be dead, victims of the country’s spiraling violence that has claimed more than 250,000 lives since 2006. The country’s murder rate has more than doubled to 26 per 100,000 residents, five times the U.S. figure. ​

They need to get some tighter gun laws, that'll fix things.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Trump's Tweetstorm of this morning is a particularly vivid insight into the closed minds of his followers, and how Idiocracy is becoming more like a documentary every day.

Trumpster Fire Tweets the following:

"Illegals can get up to $3,874 a month under Federal Assistance program. Our social security checks are on average $1200 a month.

RT if you agree: If you weren't born in the United States, you should receive $0 assistance."


Well, no they can't. The above is bullshit from beginning to end, (except, roughly, for the social security average) as specifically outlined at the referenced link, which was helpfully attached to the very Twitter feed it refutes.

Despite that, at least half the responses are variations on "Fuck yeah, my poor Grandmother on SS is living on cat food while the illegals drive around in BMWs", showing that people can't even be bothered to educate themselves when the information is handed to them on a platinum platter.

But wait, it gets better. On further research, the "$3874" figure comes from a 2017 Facebook post that actually refers to benefits due a family of refugees, not individual illegal immigrants. Refugees in Canada.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/monthly-refugee-benefits/

Why would he want actual facts? They are irrelevant to his followers. I'm just surprised the figure has any connection to any real number, and wasn't just made up out of thin air.

Clearly with the sinister forces of the Deep State arrayed against him as they are, there's no way he can trust anything some minion from a government department tells him.

 

[Alpha One Seven]

They are working on arresting the gang members that are part of the caravan.

 

[Alpha One Seven]

For those of us who have a brain and know how to use it, if you exercise some thought it's pretty damned easy to get an idea of how bad it is in their country that they would feel the need to flee it. They would rather travel over a thousand miles and deal with all of the shit that is aimed at them by a conservative-controlled American government and its base than stay at home. That's some serious suckage down there, that's for sure. As an aside, I saw that conservative mouthpiece Erick Erickson was calling for helicopter rides in South America if necessary to force some good ol' capitalism on their people. How about we set up an exchange program; for every immigrant that we take in from South America, we ship a conservative nutjob like Erickson down there so they can fulfill their dream of bringing capitalism to the people who live there?

Personally, I think this sounds very reasonable.

Better yet, just have everyone go home and make their homes better by becoming active in their communities instead of fleeing because they let it get out of hand. If all the people that want a better way of life flee the country, what's left to make the country better? Last time I checked, being poor is not something you can get asylum for.

 

[Alpha One Seven]

I love the phrase "free stuff". So people wanting gov;t provided healthcare or education is something "free". But people wanting a gov't provided wall isn't considered something "free"?
Which do you think will "directly benefit American citizens" more? A wall, or healthcare/education? In your answer, please state supporting arguments and reasoning.

A wall is a greater benefit, it will reduce the number of patrol needed to keep the border under control and lower the threat from ilegal activities from the south and help reduce the load on government programs that are being abused currently. It will also lower the glut in hospital ERs and reduce the competition for entry lever positions for legal citizens. Protect the country and it can provide better for itself without the handouts from taxes.

 

[Alpha One Seven]

btw, what's your wall gonna do about this?

Homeland Security: More than 600,000 foreigners overstayed U.S. visas in 2017

It will keep them from getting right back in so easily once they are legally removed.

 

[fskimospy]

A wall is a greater benefit, it will reduce the number of patrol needed to keep the border under control and lower the threat from ilegal activities from the south and help reduce the load on government programs that are being abused currently. It will also lower the glut in hospital ERs and reduce the competition for entry lever positions for legal citizens. Protect the country and it can provide better for itself without the handouts from taxes.

Congress evaluated the effectiveness of previous walls and found they weren't working. Why would you want us to waste even more money on things that don't work?

 

[WelshBloke]

No, defensive value you dolt.

What the fuck are you blathering about now? Defensive value? You're expecting 20000 Mongol warriors on horseback to turn up on your southern border?
Because that's what the Great wall was constructed to slow down. Not a few dozen Mongols with a ladder in the middle of the night.

 

[WelshBloke]

With all this talk about the wall it reminds me of how Trump kept saying Mexico was going to pay for it. He doesn’t say that anymore, does he? Haha.

You idiots who believed his lies should be ashamed of yourself. How could you be duped so easily?

Mexico is going to pay for the wall.
China is going to pay the tariffs.
Europe should pay into NATO instead of building up it's military.

Its like Trump has no idea how shit works!

 

[Stokely]

Congress evaluated the effectiveness of previous walls and found they weren't working. Why would you want us to waste even more money on things that don't work?

The "wall" is complete and has already fulfilled its primary purpose. That purpose was to provide a Talisman for the base (like the One Ring, or the Sword of Shannara etc). Note the complete lack of will by the GOP to get this thing actually built...that isn't them being incompetent, or an accident. Actually, it still has more work to do, and that is to try to make Democrats look bad for opposing it. But the very last thing ANYONE in government on either side wants is for a wall to be built.

 

[Meghan54]

A wall is a greater benefit, it will reduce the number of patrol needed to keep the border under control and lower the threat from ilegal activities from the south and help reduce the load on government programs that are being abused currently. It will also lower the glut in hospital ERs and reduce the competition for entry lever positions for legal citizens. Protect the country and it can provide better for itself without the handouts from taxes.

Just curious....what government programs are being abused by illegal immigrants? And with full employment and employers struggling to find employees, what jobs are illegals stealing and from whom? Either we're at full employment, which I believe below 4% unemployment says is the case, or we're not. And from all the job openings unfilled currently, what jobs are being denied citizens?

Either we're at full employment despite your notion of illegals "stealing jobs" from citizens, or illegals aren't doing a damned thing to prevent full employment, which seems to currently be the case.

 

[DrDoug]

Better yet, just have everyone go home and make their homes better by becoming active in their communities instead of fleeing because they let it get out of hand. If all the people that want a better way of life flee the country, what's left to make the country better? Last time I checked, being poor is not something you can get asylum for.

So you want women and children to stay where they are and somehow make things better in a place that has the brutality of little to no rule of law and the death, poverty and misery that comes along with it? Please tell me how they are going to make that change they need. More guns? Fill in the blanks here because otherwise what you said is fucking stupid.

I'm going to guess that you're one of those "compassionate conservatives".

 

[Jhhnn]

Better yet, just have everyone go home and make their homes better by becoming active in their communities instead of fleeing because they let it get out of hand. If all the people that want a better way of life flee the country, what's left to make the country better? Last time I checked, being poor is not something you can get asylum for.

Can we get a little more victim blaming over here?

 

[Victorian Gray]

It will keep them from getting right back in so easily once they are legally removed.

Have fun with that. BUILD THE WALL.

ROFL

 

[Jaskalas]

btw, what's your wall gonna do about this?

Homeland Security: More than 600,000 foreigners overstayed U.S. visas in 2017

They are documented citizens of another country. Their home country must take them back, or block new visas.
The wall is meant to block the undocumented.

 

[Vic]

It's sad to see how many so-called "conservatives" openly hate the free market and the free trade of goods and labor. Hypocrites who claim to love small government while constantly demanding that the government step in to protect THEIR interests.
And what are those interests exactly? These migrants aren't stealing anyone's jobs, and the "conservatives" complaining the loudest tend to be mostly retirees living on govt pensions. Really makes you wonder about what the real motivations are.

 

[Vic]

They are documented citizens of another country. Their home country must take them back, or block new visas.
The wall is meant to block the undocumented.

Or the wall could be used to keep citizens in, which has been the more common use of such walls in the past century.