Interview With Noctua's Jakob Dellinger

[4960X]

Have you guys seen this yet? I found this article on overclock.net and there's an interview with the PR of Noctua and he talks about the successor of the NH-D14. It looks like the successor of the NH-D14 will be coming in a few months. OMG I can't wait!!!!

http://www.relaxedtech.com/interview/jakob-dellinger/1

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Have you guys seen this yet? I found this article on overclock.net and there's an interview with the PR of Noctua and he talks about the successor of the NH-D14. It looks like the successor of the NH-D14 will be coming in a few months. OMG I can't wait!!!!

http://www.relaxedtech.com/interview/jakob-dellinger/1

Neither can I, Bro. Neither can I. Sorry about my on-the-fly flip-flops in your "Corsair-going-South" thread. I can't keep UP with this stuff!

UPDATE -- MORE VERBOSE . . . STUFF:

[RelaxedTech]: The NH-D14 is able to compete and beat some of the high end closed-liquid-coolers out there, do you think that air cooling can keep up with closed-liquid-cooling?

[JD]: Yes, I am quite confident that air cooling will remain attractive. Single radiator water coolers are mostly bottlenecked by surface area and there is only so much you can do about this, so I think top end air coolers will remain competitive from a performance point of view. At the same time, air cooling has some key advantages such as much better reliability, no worries about leakage, no pump noise etc.

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Wow! Here's the deal! If you look at the "NH-D14 replacement," it is a double or "twin" NH-U14S. I gotta see this! I gotta see it!

OK! Here's my plan for 2014. I'm gonna build an IB-E, socket-2011 system, skip the water-cooling, and slap one of these bad-boy "NH-D14-Successor" jobs on it! Yeah! Yeah, Baby, Yeah!

 

[4960X]

Neither can I, Bro. Neither can I. Sorry about my on-the-fly flip-flops in your "Corsair-going-South" thread. I can't keep UP with this stuff!

UPDATE -- MORE VERBOSE . . . STUFF:

[RelaxedTech]: The NH-D14 is able to compete and beat some of the high end closed-liquid-coolers out there, do you think that air cooling can keep up with closed-liquid-cooling?

[JD]: Yes, I am quite confident that air cooling will remain attractive. Single radiator water coolers are mostly bottlenecked by surface area and there is only so much you can do about this, so I think top end air coolers will remain competitive from a performance point of view. At the same time, air cooling has some key advantages such as much better reliability, no worries about leakage, no pump noise etc.

=========END EXCERPT =======

Wow! Here's the deal! If you look at the "NH-D14 replacement," it is a double or "twin" NH-U14S. I gotta see this! I gotta see it!

OK! Here's my plan for 2014. I'm gonna build an IB-E, socket-2011 system, skip the water-cooling, and slap one of these bad-boy "NH-D14-Successor" jobs on it! Yeah! Yeah, Baby, Yeah!

Yeah, the successor of the NH-D14 looks like a double NH-U14S and it looks amazing. I seriously cannot wait for this beast to come out. Also, they will be releasing their fans in black!!! I would have never thought that Noctua would ever consider releasing their fans in a different color scheme.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Yeah, the successor of the NH-D14 looks like a double NH-U14S and it looks amazing. I seriously cannot wait for this beast to come out. Also, they will be releasing their fans in black!!! I would have never thought that Noctua would ever consider releasing their fans in a different color scheme.

I have an idea for coolers of this design, yet to try it out. "Bling" enthusiasts will be put off. People who hate the HAF cases . . . will be put off. Water-cooling gurus will have me taken out and shot at noon on Xmas Day . . . .

There are four sides to the square shape of these coolers -- square with the double towers. So the idea: slap a decent 140mm fan either in the center space, or as a "pull" at case exhaust. Build a foam-board duct for the fins facing the case-top, which fit a 200mm, 1,300 RPM (or similar) fan mounted in the case top. This latter fan would have a top-end CFM between 120+ and 160+ CFM. Figure the latter fan would have an amperage draw around 0.70A, or call that a maximum. Both fans would be thermally controlled from the motherboard using only the CPU_FAN PWM plug, and the CHA_FAN1 plug (even if three-pin and not PWM). Then you set the fan profiles to spin up above 50C.

I'd be interested in any expression of misgivings about this. It's . . . .just an idea I've been toying with . . . This is the first time I even put it on "paper," and I haven't drawn any diagrams with circles and arrows on the back of each one . . .

 

[aigomorla]

[RelaxedTech]: The NH-D14 is able to compete and beat some of the high end closed-liquid-coolers out there, do you think that air cooling can keep up with closed-liquid-cooling?

[JD]: Yes, I am quite confident that air cooling will remain attractive. Single radiator water coolers are mostly bottlenecked by surface area and there is only so much you can do about this, so I think top end air coolers will remain competitive from a performance point of view. At the same time, air cooling has some key advantages such as much better reliability, no worries about leakage, no pump noise etc.

impossible..

high end.. closed liquid coolers use a radiator which has a surface area almost 3x the noctuna along with a heat transfer medium (water) which has a holding potential 10x greater then air.

There is no air cooler with the same surface area as per say a 120x3 radiator... do you know why?
There is just no way to mount it to your board... that is why we use water to MOVE the heat to the radiator.

JD doesnt understand physics....
anyone who makes this claim doesnt understand physics.

You cant cheat physics.... its that simple...

 

[BonzaiDuck]

impossible..

high end.. closed liquid coolers use a radiator which has a surface area almost 3x the noctuna along with a heat transfer medium (water) which has a holding potential 10x greater then air.

There is no air cooler with the same surface area as per say a 120x3 radiator... do you know why?
There is just no way to mount it to your board... that is why we use water to MOVE the heat to the radiator.

JD doesnt understand physics....
anyone who makes this claim doesnt understand physics.

You cant cheat physics.... its that simple...

Sure. Nobody disagrees with you , Aigo.

I could install a tank on the shady side of the house buried under two or three feet, fill it with distilled water, seal it, and run it into the house to the waterblock. I don't know what the limit would be in coming close to room ambient, but it would be much better than an "All-in-One" or "closed loop" cooler -- whatever they're called.

We were discussing some comparison reviews for the H100i and the Nepton 280L. The Nepton beat the NH-U14S by maybe 10C degrees, but a double-U14S replacing the NH-D14 will be released in April.

I wondered what had happened to you -- hadn't seen you posting for the while I've been here this year.

 

[4960X]

impossible..

high end.. closed liquid coolers use a radiator which has a surface area almost 3x the noctuna along with a heat transfer medium (water) which has a holding potential 10x greater then air.

There is no air cooler with the same surface area as per say a 120x3 radiator... do you know why?
There is just no way to mount it to your board... that is why we use water to MOVE the heat to the radiator.

JD doesnt understand physics....
anyone who makes this claim doesnt understand physics.

You cant cheat physics.... its that simple...

I completely agree with you but what did you expect from him to say about the company that he works for that specializes only on air cooling? You weren't really expecting him to say that air cooling can't compete with water cooling, were you?

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I completely agree with you but what did you expect from him to say about the company that he works for that specializes only on air cooling? You weren't really expecting him to say that air cooling can't compete with water cooling, were you?

It's really about the definition of issues:

What is the very best cooling short of phase-change or exotic chilling contraptions? Custom water-cooling.

IF you don't want to use custom water-cooling, bongs or phase-change, what are the options? CLC's like H100 or air-cooling with heatpipes. Or maybe some "phase-change" contraption that looks very much like a heatpipe cooler.

At that juncture, what are the pros and cons of these remaining choices?

That's what spawned the threads about this. I still think Aigo deserves a statue, like the one erected for Kevin Costner in "The Postman." 😉

 

[aigomorla]

We were discussing some comparison reviews for the H100i and the Nepton 280L. The Nepton beat the NH-U14S by maybe 10C degrees, but a double-U14S replacing the NH-D14 will be released in April.

I wondered what had happened to you -- hadn't seen you posting for the while I've been here this year.

im will to bet a h100i will still beat it because its a 120x2 raidator.

again... u cant mount something like on your cpu.
the cooling setup itself requires a special case which are labeled "watercooling friendly" to be able to mount a 120x2.

at best air coolers will trump a H60i.
i wont deny that claim, however once u start getting into larger radiators, it like the tortoise vs hare, only the hare stopping means ur pump has broken.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

im will to bet a h100i will still beat it because its a 120x2 raidator.

again... u cant mount something like on your cpu.
the cooling setup itself requires a special case which are labeled "watercooling friendly" to be able to mount a 120x2.

at best air coolers will trump a H60i.
i wont deny that claim, however once u start getting into larger radiators, it like the tortoise vs hare, only the hare stopping means ur pump has broken.

See . . . I think Corsair, CoolerMaster and the others are making these H100-type kits with just the cooling capacity to best the air/heatsink options. I said elsewhere: if you spend $120 on the Nepton 280L, you don't get a $95 water-pump.

But here's the Frosty-Tech rundown with their test-bed, ranking the Nepton against the other options and entries. Generally, I'd take these reviews as reasonably reliable bolstered by cross-reference to similar reviews of other origin which need only include a few of the coolers in other reviews. You know -- "if A > B and B > C then A > C."

But look carefully at this. The Nepton "Low" or "Quiet" ties -- EDIT: Whoops! 3C better -- with Noctua's recent NH-U14S:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835608041

Other reviews featuring the U14S included the ol' D14 in the mix, showing the U14S besting the D14 by 5C. But I replaced my D14 "limpo" fans with a single Akasa and closed that margin exactly -- 5C improvement. Figure that you MIGHT be able to see improvement just chucking the fan bundled with the U14S.

On the "high" fan setting for the Nepton, more than 6C better than the U14S, but we could wish to close that gap all or partly with a fan replacement.

So -- what happens with a "twin-U14S" to be released in April -- a sort of "X14" successor to the D14? We don't know. And I have no doubt that CoolerMaster will go back to the drawing board, get their cost-accountant to join the team, and see how they can improve.

According to "physics," improving should be easy. But the cost-accountant -- the devil is in the details. And no $95 water-pump likely!!