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dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
2-9-05BellSouth Network Upgrades 4-6Mbps of that will be for DSL (ADSL2+ specifically)

The technology, ADSL2+, will enable download speeds between 4 megabits per second and 6 mbps, and upload speeds from 512 kbps to 768 kbps, BellSouth said.

BellSouth said it may be able to reach 80 percent of the households in its territory with the ADSL2+ technology at a cost of roughly $300 per household.
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It is a simple upgrade for the DSLAM and to make sure the backhaul to the DSLAM can carry higher bandwidth to and from the DSLAM.

Then the customer upgrades to a ADSL2+ Modem.

I hope to get an Engineering unit to test shortly.

There were some P&N experts saying this would not happen. :roll:

Actually dave I believe the only saying there would not be increased bandwidth for customers in the future, was yourself.

Keep the two issues separate.

The first issue is deployment of Technology.

Second is who gets the Technology.

The only correlation between the two is Political and Greed, not Technological.

More on BellSouth Vs the Citizens of America:

2-10-2005 BellSouth Vs Citizens and Lafayette Louisiana

City asks company to drop lawsuit

"If we had been allowed to proceed with this project from Day 1 without interference from BellSouth and Cox, we project that we would have been serving our first customers with much lower cost services by July of this year," says the director of a community fiber project in Lafayette, who has asked the companies to drop their lawsuit and move aside. "The people of Lafayette are the losers and the corporate executives of these big Atlanta-based companies are the winners as they continue to battle the citizens of Lafayette in blocking this project," he suggests.

Just one day after promising cooperation and a possible partnership, BellSouth sued to stop the city from pursuing $125 million in revenue bonds to fund a triple-play fiber network (the focus of a recent USAToday article).


 

charrison

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
2-9-05BellSouth Network Upgrades 4-6Mbps of that will be for DSL (ADSL2+ specifically)

The technology, ADSL2+, will enable download speeds between 4 megabits per second and 6 mbps, and upload speeds from 512 kbps to 768 kbps, BellSouth said.

BellSouth said it may be able to reach 80 percent of the households in its territory with the ADSL2+ technology at a cost of roughly $300 per household.
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It is a simple upgrade for the DSLAM and to make sure the backhaul to the DSLAM can carry higher bandwidth to and from the DSLAM.

Then the customer upgrades to a ADSL2+ Modem.

I hope to get an Engineering unit to test shortly.

There were some P&N experts saying this would not happen. :roll:

Actually dave I believe the only saying there would not be increased bandwidth for customers in the future, was yourself.

Keep the two issues separate.

The first issue is deployment of Technology.

Second is who gets the Technology.

The only correlation between the two is Political and Greed, not Technological.



well according to yourself they could have done 4mbit with plain old adsl without any other technology needed. But I guess they have decided to forgo your technological expertise and deploy more expensive equipment to do it. All about greed i tell ya.:cookie:


 

piasabird

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Maybe what you need is some creative financing. I have noticed when someone wants a stadium built they have to get money from private funds quite often. The Island could approach the the phone company or invest in a community owned Cable TV network to set up a cable internet service. If it is not economically pheasable, you could either accept that as a fact or move.

There is no constitutional right to broadband or even a telephone for that matter. You are probably lucky you can get telephone access from the monopolistic phone company.
 

MetalMat

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I live in Lafayette, LA and I dont like the fact that the city said pretty much "....people dont need to worry about voting for this........" in the paper a couple weeks ago :| People should have a say so in this!
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: MetalMat
I live in Lafayette, LA and I dont like the fact that the city said pretty much "....people dont need to worry about voting for this........" in the paper a couple weeks ago :| People should have a say so in this!

You like only having Dial Up service??? :confused:

 

MetalMat

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: MetalMat
I live in Lafayette, LA and I dont like the fact that the city said pretty much "....people dont need to worry about voting for this........" in the paper a couple weeks ago :| People should have a say so in this!

You like only having Dial Up service??? :confused:

We get cable.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: MetalMat
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: MetalMat
I live in Lafayette, LA and I dont like the fact that the city said pretty much "....people dont need to worry about voting for this........" in the paper a couple weeks ago :| People should have a say so in this!

You like only having Dial Up service??? :confused:

We get cable.

Does the Cable High Speed Internet reach all of Lafayette?

 

MetalMat

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: MetalMat
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: MetalMat
I live in Lafayette, LA and I dont like the fact that the city said pretty much "....people dont need to worry about voting for this........" in the paper a couple weeks ago :| People should have a say so in this!

You like only having Dial Up service??? :confused:

We get cable.

Does the Cable High Speed Internet reach all of Lafayette?

I dont know. As far as I know, everyone I know in Lafayette has access, even people in Northside and in sourrounding areas (like Youngsvills).
 

3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: Genx87
I kind of figured that is what he was getting at. But was hoping he would answer the question.
The simple fact is either the govt drops the lines or a private industry company does but gets guranteed rights to use the lines for a set amount of years to recoup the costs of dropping the lines.

Talking with a guy at my local cable company and how much it costs to drop fiber lines in a city enviornment for a private company. I cant even imagine footing the bill with tax payers money.

Qwest spent 25 billion upgrading their infrastructure a few years ago and they arent even close to being done. Dropping lines costs money and apparently he wants the US tax payer to foot the bill so he can have low cost high speed broadband.

No surprise here.
One of the few times a government supported and created monopoly has actually accomplished something was bringing phone service to the rural and remote areas of Canada.

Essentially one company was given a monopoly on phone service, provided that they actually serviced 'everywhere'. Customers were charged a flat rate for local service, regardless of location, and the whole operation was subsidized by making the monopoly (Bell Canada) free to charge monopoly prices for long distance service. It's a near-certainty that this brought remote communities onto the telephone grid decades before a satellite solution would have been able to do so. In the last few years, the monopoly has been largely dismantled, but the network already exists, so the cost of local phone service is still pretty uniform across the country (though considerably higher than it was under monopoly, it is still quite reasonable). Long distance rates are now also decided by a free market, and along with improved low-cost technology, this has driven them down by an order of magnitude or more from the 1980s. Phone service is so crucial to modern life that I think the way this was handled approaches brilliance; it was certainly a worthwhile investment.

I don't know if internet service really needs or would benefit from the same treatment; it seems to me that broadband service is really a luxury good, and I would expect that before it is anything more than this improved technology will negate the need to run wires to these communities. Latency sucks, but I don't see why the government or anyone else should throw money at the problem. I definitely come out on the side of letting the market deal with this problem.

 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: MetalMat
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: MetalMat
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: MetalMat
I live in Lafayette, LA and I dont like the fact that the city said pretty much "....people dont need to worry about voting for this........" in the paper a couple weeks ago :| People should have a say so in this!

You like only having Dial Up service??? :confused:
We get cable.

Does the Cable High Speed Internet reach all of Lafayette?

I dont know. As far as I know, everyone I know in Lafayette has access, even people in Northside and in sourrounding areas (like Youngsvills).

I was under the impression there was no High Speed service for that area.

Then there is no need for the Lafayette Govt to be involved and BellSouth has a legimate gripe. I don't understand why the Cable Compnay is not ganging up on the Lafayette Gov't as well though.

The Cable Co stands to loose it's High Speed Internet revenue.
 

shrumpage

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: shrumpage
You never address the Rural Access Fee challange

It's $1 per per line per month.

I will post copy of bill with that on my website.
But its not rural "INTERNET" access feee is it?
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: shrumpage
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: shrumpage
You never address the Rural Access Fee challange

It's $1 per per line per month.

I will post copy of bill with that on my website.
But its not rural "INTERNET" access feee is it?

They say it is a regulatory Fee that does not go to any regulatory Govt entity.

It's double talk.

 

shrumpage

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: shrumpage
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: shrumpage
You never address the Rural Access Fee challange

It's $1 per per line per month.

I will post copy of bill with that on my website.
But its not rural "INTERNET" access feee is it?

They say it is a regulatory Fee that does not go to any regulatory Govt entity.

It's double talk.

I remeber you posting about a fee - that wasn't an actual government fee, but used to cover government mandates.

But it wasn't the "rural access fee."
 

3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: shrumpage
Originally posted by: dmcowen674

But its not rural "INTERNET" access feee is it?

They say it is a regulatory Fee that does not go to any regulatory Govt entity.

It's double talk.

I remeber you posting about a fee - that wasn't an actual government fee, but used to cover government mandates.

But it wasn't the "rural access fee."[/quote]
Cell phone companies in canada all charge a 'network access fee' that they often claim is a regulatory fee, but actually it's just an extra charge to use their network, which your monthly bill should already cover. Somehow they get away with not including it in the advertised prices though.
 

dmcowen674

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2-25-2005 NYC Low Income Broadband Plan

Housing units get free, or $10/month broadband

The New York City Council has adopted (press release) a new resolution aimed at getting low-cost (or free) broadband service into the city's housing projects. As part of the plan, anyone building public housing for those making less than 80% of the median area income, must provide a broadband connection in the living room of each unit either for free, or at a cost of less than $10 a month.
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Hmmm, maybe it may not be so bad to have $6hr Wally World job since getting Free Broadband.
 

dmcowen674

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2-25-2005 BellSouth Tells Lafayette if they build Fiber Network they will yank jobs out of City

Should Lafayette Utilities System's proposed telecommunications project become a successful reality, BellSouth could pull its Cingular Wireless call center out of Lafayette, a BellSouth official said Thursday.
The call center employs about 1,300 people.

Bill Oliver, president of BellSouth Louisiana, spoke Thursday to The Advocate's editorial board in Baton Rouge.
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Bill Oliver is the same idiot that came out and said that it is Technically Impossible to provide DSL service without having voice service on a line.

That is an out right LIE.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
2-25-2005 NYC Low Income Broadband Plan

Housing units get free, or $10/month broadband

The New York City Council has adopted (press release) a new resolution aimed at getting low-cost (or free) broadband service into the city's housing projects. As part of the plan, anyone building public housing for those making less than 80% of the median area income, must provide a broadband connection in the living room of each unit either for free, or at a cost of less than $10 a month.
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Hmmm, maybe it may not be so bad to have $6hr Wally World job since getting Free Broadband.

Only problem, there are no walmarts in NYC.

 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
2-25-2005 NYC Low Income Broadband Plan

Housing units get free, or $10/month broadband

The New York City Council has adopted (press release) a new resolution aimed at getting low-cost (or free) broadband service into the city's housing projects. As part of the plan, anyone building public housing for those making less than 80% of the median area income, must provide a broadband connection in the living room of each unit either for free, or at a cost of less than $10 a month.
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Hmmm, maybe it may not be so bad to have $6hr Wally World job since getting Free Broadband.

Only problem, there are no walmarts in NYC.

They're trying their damndest to get in there though. Luckily, New Yorkers are fighting. But alas, Wal-Mart will probably win out.
 

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Go outside. Buy a puppy. quoted from devilsadvocate
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most funny thing i have heard all year.
 

dmcowen674

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America - The land of No Competetion and High Prices, by design.

Everybody bending over and enjoying the ride:

3-3-2005 New Homeowners Handcuffed to ISP's

Carriers striking deals with developers

The Arizona Republic reports that in the Phoenix area, both Cox and Qwest are striking deals with homebuilders to make them the "preferred" provider in their developments. The downside of this of course, is new home buyers are paying for the service through homeowners association monthly fees, and can't change providers. If they wanted to, they'd need to sign up for a second connection and pay double.

Cox, Qwest strike deals with home developers

Residents moving into the thousands of new homes built in Maricopa County each year are increasingly being told that they no longer have a choice in telephone, television and high-speed Internet providers.

Developers are cutting deals with specific companies that often result in only one company, generally Qwest or Cox, serving the community as a so-called preferred provider.

In many cases, the preferred provider's television and Internet services are paid for through a homeowners association monthly fees, which essentially force consumers into a deal with one company. If service is available from another provider, such as satellite television, residents would wind up paying twice.

The agreements have drawn the attention of regulators who worry they could result in fewer choices for consumers. They also upset smaller providers that claim they are keeping them from serving certain areas.

The stakes are high. More than 60,000 homes were built in the Valley last year, many of them in developments with thousands of homes planned.
 

magomago

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Boo. We should have freedom of choice of ISPs, not be locked in to a single one where they can charge higher prices if they wanted too (although i would guess the assumption is that you pay a slightly lower rate since the entire housing area has to have a contract with a developer). Either way that is wrong. IF there is only one provider in the area that is one thing, but to restrict the owner of the house to a single provider EVEN if alternative may exist...that is worse.
Another reason why HOAs should not exist. Parents have to live in one, but luckily everyone else there agrees they are horrible and every meeting they slowly "dissolve" any importance it has
 

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Well, I wouldn't want to have this requirement. But the truth is, the people moving to these communities are making a CHOICE to do so. As such, it's their decision, whats the problem?
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: bsobel
Well, I wouldn't want to have this requirement. But the truth is, the people moving to these communities are making a CHOICE to do so. As such, it's their decision, whats the problem?

So that's the American Model of competition now, move from price fixed Monopoly to price fixed Monopoly.

I see, thanks for clarifying what competition and free market Society mean for me. :roll: