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international travel.. ATM exchange rates or bring cash instead?

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irrespective of carrying your AtM card being potentially safer than cold hard cash...


is using a ATM card (assuming the country you go to has the same bank that you bank at)

would it be in most cases, a better rate for you than taking cash to a money exchange counter, a hotel desk, a bank...etc?
 
NOT ATM..... you'll be charged a service fee for every transaction.... which could run up to $30 per transaction depending on your bank. stick to a credit card if possible.
 
do not take cash
use your ATM for cash and your CC to pay for as much as you can, the exchange rate it best on ATM/CC cards
 
Originally posted by: hotchilisauce
NOT ATM..... you'll be charged a service fee for every transaction.... which could run up to $30 per transaction depending on your bank. stick to a credit card if possible.

isnt this kind of charge if you use an ATM machine that is not the same bank that you own the ATM card from?

 
from WSJ

Trip to foreign ATM
May Cost More

By JENNIFER SARANOW
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
September 30, 2004; Page D2

...Bank of America Corp. plans in November to up the fee it charges customers to use most automated teller machines abroad by more than 50% to $5, from $3. Bank of America is one of the largest banks in the U.S. with the biggest network of ATMs in the country. In June, Citibank, a unit of Citigroup Inc., raised its withdrawal fee at non-Citibank ATMs to $1.50 from $1 for some accounts, affecting both transactions here and abroad.

...Many banks already have high rates for ATM withdrawals abroad, taking into account the additional currency-exchange fees. J.P. Morgan Chase & Co., for example, charges customers who take money out in foreign countries $3 plus an additional 2% of the withdrawal to cover conversion costs. At U.S. Bancorp, foreign withdrawals cost $1.50 plus a 3% exchange fee. Wachovia Corp. charges $2 to withdraw money abroad, while Wells Fargo & Co. charges as much as $3 outside the U.S.

...Add the ATM fees that some foreign banks charge noncustomers, and travelers could be seeing much higher fees abroad than here. The average rate banks charge their own customers for using ATMs they don't own in the U.S. is $1.32, according to BankRate.com. Deutsche Bank AG, for instance, charges some noncustomers between ?5 and ?8 ($6 to $10) to use its ATMs.

The good news is that for some of the ATM fees, not all customers will be affected. And there are ways to avoid the higher fees from your own bank when you travel abroad.

One option is to inquire at your bank if it has sister or brother banks abroad. Bank of America, for example, doesn't charge any fees at all if customers use a machine in its "Global ATM Alliance," a three-year-old partnership that allows customers to make cash withdrawals free at each other's ATMs.

Today, Bank of America customers have access to 14,000 machines at six foreign banks in about nine countries, including machines of Barclays PLC in the United Kingdom, BNP Paribas in France and Santander Serfin in Mexico. Those foreign machines are on top of the 16,000 ATMs that Bank of America has in the U.S. For customers who don't use one of the Alliance ATMs, Bank of America's new $5 fee will start to take effect Nov. 5.

Find Your Bank's ATM

Many banks in the U.S. also have their own ATMs located in foreign countries that can be accessed without a fee. Citibank, for example, has about 7,200 ATMs outside the U.S. in approximately 50 countries. In the U.S., including Puerto Rico, Citibank has 2,575 ATMs.

In addition, Citibank's new fee, which also affects withdrawals in the U.S., doesn't affect customers who reach certain account requirements. For example, if someone has "The Citibank Account" with credit and deposits of $6,000 or more, they aren't charged a non-Citibank ATM fee. This is also true for other account types, including "Everything Counts Account" and "CitiGold."

Meanwhile, customers of HSBC Holding PLC's HSBC Bank USA will be able to find HSBC ATMs abroad that are free to use in 38 countries, including Australia, the U.K. and India. In the seven other countries where HSBC ATMs are located, HSBC Bank USA customers are charged a $1 fee. Exceptions are Premier or ExtraVantage customers.

Another cheaper option may be to get Cash Back when using a debit card to purchase items abroad since many foreign merchants now offer that service. Finally, you can switch to a U.S. bank that doesn't charge withdrawal fees here or abroad. Commerce Bank, a unit of Commerce Bancorp, is an example.

The hidden cost of overseas credit card transactions
By Linda Sherry

Credit cards are handy for travelers abroad not only for convenience, but because you generally receive an optimum exchange rate on foreign currency conversions. If, for instance, you buy a sweater or a five-course meal in Paris and pay for it with your U.S. credit or debit card, the charge in European currency is converted to dollars before it?s posted to your statement.

On all credit card currency conversions, the MasterCard and Visa networks take a 1% commission. These commissions on purchases or cash advances abroad are hidden in the total amount converted into U.S. dollars. Cardholders usually don?t realize they are paying a commission on currency conversions because the fee is not broken out separately in their credit card or bank statements.

In recent years, a number of card issuers have begun to add their own currency conversion fee on top of the MasterCard/Visa commission. In this year?s Credit Card Survey, Consumer Action found that the average issuer fee among surveyed banks that charge the optional fee is 1.86%. (See chart with this story.)

Currency conversion fees are men-tioned in the fine print of cardholder agreements that accompany new cards, but are little known among consumers. Some banks, such as Chase, Bank of America and Wells Fargo Bank, now list their currency conversion fee separately on credit card and bank statements. But many issuers continue to follow MasterCard and Visa and roll their fee into the overall amount of the converted purchase or withdrawal.

The lack of disclosure of MasterCard and Visa currency conversion fees has prompted lawsuits around the country. In mid February it was reported in the national media that there had been a tentative ruling in a California suit, Adam A. Schwartz vs. Visa International. The Wall St. Journal and other newspapers reported that the ruling, still sealed when Consumer Action News went to press, upheld the plaintiff?s charge of deceptive practices under California law and ruled that Visa should have required that its member banks openly disclose currency conversion fees. It was reported that under the ruling, Visa?and MasterCard by precedent?may be forced to pay back $500 million in fees collected from people who used their cards abroad.

Currency conversion fees

This chart lists optional issuer currency conversion fees charged by banks and does not include the usual 1% commission taken by MasterCard or Visa when charges and cash advances are converted to the cardholder?s homeland currency. (*American Express, not affiliated with MasterCard/Visa, has a 2% conversion fee.)


American Express* 2%
Bank of America 2%
Bank One / First USA Bank 2%
Chase 2%
Citibank 2%
Columbus Bank & Trust 2%
First National Bank of Omaha (FNBO) 2%
FNBO/Emigrant Savings Bank 1% - 2%
First Tennessee Bank 1%
HSBC Bank USA/Household Bank 1%
Huntington Direct Bank 2%
People?s Bank 2%
Providian 1% - 3%
Simmons First National Bank 3%
Sovereign Bank 2%
US Bank 2%
Wells Fargo Bank 2%
 
Yo, thankyou for that article... boy that 2nd part about the fees when using a credit card...

1pct plus anothe 2pct (I use Citibank) means they're tacking on 3 bucks for every 100 bucks I put on that card... I could see a typical vacation, say 500bucks for hotel, that's 15bucks right in their pockets gee.


I wish there is a way to figure out what 'rate' a card will give you in a particular foreign country, then after you factor in the 1 plus 2 percent things, decide if exchanging US dollar at a exchange counter would be better off than using the plastic.
 
American Express does a traveler check CARD. It is just like a credit card, but it is a pay in advance type deal. And it comes with all the benefits and protections of carrying American Express.

🙂
 
I think I had read about that on their site recently as I was logging into my web acct over there... but if i'm not mistaken they put some kind of charge, maybe 12bucks, for you initially when you want to get that card for use.
 
does this sound like what most banks do?



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collect at 716-841-7212. The exchange rate for foreign
currency is taken from the rate posted for that day in the
Wall Street Journal. Your withdrawal will be calculated
using the rate posted daily, and is subject to change.

When withdrawing funds from a non-US ATM machine
the exchange rate for that day will be used. The ATM
machine will not provide you with the US amount that will
be deducted from your account. You may reach us by
calling collect at (716)841-7212 to find out the current
exchange rate and the amount that will be deducted from
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