International gangs are flourshing in America.

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Increase funding to fight criminals in Iraq and Afghanistan.

That will keep America safe.
 
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Hyper-violent street gangs are just another fine contribution to the American landscape courtesy of the war on drugs. The AB, Crips, Bloods, 18th Street, MM, BGF, etc., every single street gang I've ever known, was able exsist & grow because of the war on drugs. Absurdity at its galactic best.

And no, I don't know how to fix the problem.
 
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dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Dissipate
Legalize drugs, gambling and prostitution.
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Put me in charge and I will have the proper people make it so with new revenue streams flowing in.

Tax cuts for a reason, that spending would be down because revenue is up.

What a concept.

 
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maluckey

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Of course big business graft and corruption won't occur with the LEGAL and heavily taxed drugs, sex and gambling................ :disgust:

Get real........legal drugs and gambling just shift the money to big busines and the mafia.
 
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Jhhnn

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So, what you're saying, Maluckey, is that the Mafia runs the tobacco, liquor and legalized gambling enterprises in the US? Or what?
 
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imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: tec699
International gangs flourish...

It's not just international gangs but gangs in general. I remember hearing in NJ alone there are over 50k gang members.

How are we going to solve this issue?
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What? The Mafia having trouble surviving in Jersey? Too much competition? Sounds like NJ law enforcement should get off its butt and do something. Let me guess: Democratic governance?

 
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EatSpam

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Lots of Chicago gangs around here.... damned developers shipping Chicago problems to my town.
 
judasmachine

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nothing will be done until the elites kids are recruited. so lets unleash them on 5th avenue, and beverly hills, and see what happens.
 
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Originally posted by: maluckey
Of course big business graft and corruption won't occur with the LEGAL and heavily taxed drugs, sex and gambling................ :disgust:

Get real........legal drugs and gambling just shift the money to big busines and the mafia.
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That would depend on the level of taxation. If "heavily taxed" means that the cost of the legal item would be artificially more than the illegal item, then no we won't have solved the problem.

But if you're trying to say that the same level of crime, murder, robbery, etc. would take place with legitimate business in control as it does now under prohobition with gangs and the mafia in control (the mafia is by definition illegal under RICO, so I don't get your point pretending the mafia is legal big business, it's not), then you're just an idiot defying reality for the sake of ideology. Look at Las Vegas today, with business firmly in charge of gambling. OMG crime-ridden :roll: Hardly, it's so clean people take the whole family.
 
BoberFett

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Originally posted by: maluckey
Of course big business graft and corruption won't occur with the LEGAL and heavily taxed drugs, sex and gambling................ :disgust:

Get real........legal drugs and gambling just shift the money to big busines and the mafia.
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How's crime related to alcohol taxes going? Are Al Capone's boys still running things? :roll:

Last I checked, the bars I go to are owned by small businessmen, and the worst crimes related to alcohol are drunk driving and sleeping with ugly women. I guess it's better to keep the people in line though, and not let them do what they want with their bodies.
 
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Alcohol prohibition did give organized crime its big leg up in this country and illegal drugs are the bulk of what keep it going now.
 
TheSlamma

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Throw the FDA in the trash and legalize this garbage.

While we are at it get rid of the FCC and the IRS too, flat tax this place and be done with it and who cares what Howard Stern says, you don't like it TURN THE DIAL.
 
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maluckey

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As ANYONE with law-enforcement background knows. Crime goes with ANYTHING that has profit.

Alien Smuggling, cigarrette smugling, money laundering, used cars, real estate, gambling etc are the bread and butter of the Mexican Mafia. Drugs support them as well. Drugs will continue to support them after the transition to legality. They will prey on the addicts. The same ones that they prey on now. If you gotta have it and you already spent your money, then you have to go to someone....................right??? Loan sharking will be the crime of choice in that case. The Mexican Mafia is strong in part because White America doesn't normally get targeted. They hit their own the hardest. After all, there are millions of Mexicans who cannot go to the police for relief as they are illegal themselves.
 
BoberFett

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Originally posted by: maluckey
As ANYONE with law-enforcement background knows. Crime goes with ANYTHING that has profit.
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Thank you Cpt. Obvious.

Alien Smuggling, cigarrette smugling, money laundering, used cars, real estate, gambling etc are the bread and butter of the Mexican Mafia. Drugs support them as well. Drugs will continue to support them after the transition to legality. They will prey on the addicts. The same ones that they prey on now. If you gotta have it and you already spent your money, then you have to go to someone....................right??? Loan sharking will be the crime of choice in that case. The Mexican Mafia is strong in part because White America doesn't normally get targeted. They hit their own the hardest. After all, there are millions of Mexicans who cannot go to the police for relief as they are illegal themselves.
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So your answer is to keep things illegal because gangs and the mafia would just shift to another business?
 
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maluckey

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BoberFett,

Obviously not. Thanks for your deep input:disgust:

Legalization of drugs wouldn't fix the fact that they (the gangs in question) are ILLEGAL ALIENS, and malcontents. First you fix the borders, then you fix the system, then you eliminate the lure of free money for illegals. then you go after the ones already here.

Legalizing the source of income doesn't change a criminal to not be a criminal. I wish that it was that easy. Cutting off the incentive and giving more chance of punishment does. At that point they either go legit, go home or go to jail for hard-time. The laws are on the books, but many spineless Politicians don't want to hurt anyones feelings by enforcing them. They are worried that the race card will be played (it will), or that the important campaign contributions will stop (some will).

 
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The illegal alien problem can be fixed easily. Open the borders to everyone who can pass a simple background check. Insist that Mexico go along. Our current system of tight quotas forces good people to co-mingle with the bad under the title of "illegal." Let the good in, and the bad will be more easily kept out. Good people only turn to crime when you leave them no other choice.
 
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maluckey

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Good idea,

but Mexico is so corrupt and the stakes are so high that trust isn't in the near future.. Sad to say, but the immigrants must be treated as suspect until proven innocent for the time being, especially with their countrys' track record being as it is.
 
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Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Hyper-violent street gangs are just another fine contribution to the American landscape courtesy of the war on drugs. The AB, Crips, Bloods, 18th Street, MM, BGF, etc., every single street gang I've ever known, was able exsist & grow because of the war on drugs. Absurdity at its galactic best.

And no, I don't know how to fix the problem.
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They'd exist anyway, just be smaller and have a lot less money (and the things that can be bought with money). I remember during a crim class they brought in a couple members of 18th st. who mentioned they made about $80,000 per week off taxing drug dealers. The L.A. city attorney there didn't even bat an eye when they mentioned the number, so I assume it wasn't an amount really in dispute.


But even without the money you'd still have a lot of poor kids in the inner city who don't think school can do anything for them and especially in immigrant communities, feel that they need to band together to protect themselves from other gangs.
 
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