Interesting take on Guns from US going to Mexico...

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BuckNaked

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07...TARRESTE_BRF.html?_r=1

National Briefing | Southwest
Texas: Agent Arrested in Gun Case

By JAMES C. McKINLEY JR.
Published: July 9, 2009

An F.B.I. agent in El Paso has been arrested and charged with dealing guns, some of which ended up being used in gunfights between the authorities and drug dealers in Mexico, law enforcement officials said. The agent, John T. Shipley, was indicted Wednesday on charges he dealt firearms without a license for more than two years, buying the weapons from dealers on the Internet and then reselling them to unidentified buyers. Mr. Shipley sold more than 50 weapons, the indictment said. Some were recovered after shootouts between the Mexican Army and drug dealers in Chihuahua on March 8 last year that left seven dead, officials said. Mr. Shipley, who was released on bond this week, has been suspended without pay since March 2009, the Federal Bureau of Investigation said.

I don't think a lot of reporting of the true nature of US guns going to Mexico has been particularly accurate, but found this kind of interesting...
 

runestone

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Most of the reporting has indeed been slanted/warped into making one think we are the cause of most of the violence in Mexico; certainly our AG would like us to believe so.

It is so hard for me to understand why an FBI agent would throw it all away for the profit of what- 50 guns? I hope some more of the story will be revealed.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: runestone
Most of the reporting has indeed been slanted/warped into making one think we are the cause of most of the violence in Mexico;

In a big way, we are. It's a direct result of our "war on drugs."
 

runestone

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I would have to agree with you, to a great extent bam.
All those weapons bought from someone( notice all the Russian mafia links) were paid with dope/blood money- lots of it from right here in the USA.
 

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the real question is "is he a democrat or a republican?"...

because then we can ascribe a motive other than him just being a crook...
 

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Originally posted by: cubeless
the real question is "is he a democrat or a republican?"...

because then we can ascribe a motive other than him just being a crook...

If democrat - trying to cause a communist revolution.
If republican - a crook, but also a closet homosexual trying to get a boyfriend while cheating on his wife.
 

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From the private intelligence firm STRATFOR:

According to the report, some 30,000 firearms were seized from criminals by Mexican officials in 2008. Out of these 30,000 firearms, information pertaining to 7,200 of them, (24 percent) was submitted to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) for tracing. Of these 7,200 guns, only about 4,000 could be traced by the ATF, and of these 4,000, some 3,480 (87 percent) were shown to have come from the United States. (that's 12% of all guns seized by Mexico)

This means that the 87 percent figure comes from the number of weapons submitted by the Mexican government to the ATF that could be successfully traced and not from the total number of weapons seized by the Mexicans or even from the total number of weapons submitted to the ATF for tracing. The 3,480 guns positively traced to the United States equals less than 12 percent of the total arms seized in 2008 and less than 48 percent of all those submitted by the Mexican government to the ATF for tracing.

In a response to the GAO report, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) wrote a letter to the GAO (published as an appendix to the report) calling the GAO's use of the 87 percent statistic "misleading." The DHS further noted, "Numerous problems with the data collection and sample population render this assertion as unreliable."
 

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Eric Holder and assholes like him need to spend a measly 2 hours watching the movie, "Lord of War." And just by watching that film, fictional that it is, they would increase their knowledge of illegal arms trafficking 10 fold over what it is now.
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: cubeless
the real question is "is he a democrat or a republican?"...

because then we can ascribe a motive other than him just being a crook...

:)
 

bob4432

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Originally posted by: BuckNaked
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07...TARRESTE_BRF.html?_r=1

National Briefing | Southwest
Texas: Agent Arrested in Gun Case

By JAMES C. McKINLEY JR.
Published: July 9, 2009

An F.B.I. agent in El Paso has been arrested and charged with dealing guns, some of which ended up being used in gunfights between the authorities and drug dealers in Mexico, law enforcement officials said. The agent, John T. Shipley, was indicted Wednesday on charges he dealt firearms without a license for more than two years, buying the weapons from dealers on the Internet and then reselling them to unidentified buyers. Mr. Shipley sold more than 50 weapons, the indictment said. Some were recovered after shootouts between the Mexican Army and drug dealers in Chihuahua on March 8 last year that left seven dead, officials said. Mr. Shipley, who was released on bond this week, has been suspended without pay since March 2009, the Federal Bureau of Investigation said.

I don't think a lot of reporting of the true nature of US guns going to Mexico has been particularly accurate, but found this kind of interesting...

i thought this was a headline, i can't believe this is the whole article. surely they have more info then this. man, the admin/media whores are really grabbing at anything for the disarming of the US population agenda or trying to get gun shows made illegal.
 
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