Interesting Sports question for MLB Fans.

[PlatinumGold]

I'm a HUGE HUGE Tom Glavine fan, it amazes me what he has done over the years BUT if i had to pick one pitcher at their respective peaks to pitch a game that my life depended on, i'd take kevin brown.

of the two, Glavine is almost a sure thing first ballot HOFer, Brown may not even make the HOF.

which would you choose?

 

[Queasy]

The one that currently doesn't have a 'parasite' (Brown on my fantasy team...grumble grumble)

That said, I would take Glavine. He's spent less time on the DL than Brown.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Queasy
The one that currently doesn't have a 'parasite' (Brown on my fantasy team...grumble grumble)

That said, I would take Glavine. He's spent less time on the DL than Brown.

really?? for the one game?

for a season sure, glavine would be a serious contender, but for the one game, kevin brown to me, at his best has some of the best stuff i've ever seen. he is on the level of pedro martinez for great stuff when he is healthy.

 

[BigJ]

Well if Glavine would get the calls he used to get with the ol' bigger strike zone, then Glavine.

If it's the new strike zone with computerized ratings for the umps, Brown.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Well if you're talking about their peaks, then definitely Kevin Brown since he's had a better peak.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Well if you're talking about their peaks, then definitely Kevin Brown since he's had a better peak.

ya, i guess the question wasn't so interesting after all. Kevin brown would so totally dominate Tom Glavine peak to peak for one game.

give it several seasons and glavine has the edge.

ironic because without looking at the numbers, i'm not sure if Kevin brown has done enough to get in the HOF. kind of like a David Cone.

 

[m2kewl]

brown. he had nasty stuff when he was with the padres...

 

[JonnyStarks]

You wanna talk preformance in a big game? How about making the playoffs with the Braves like 8(?) years straight?

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: JonnyStarks
You wanna talk preformance in a big game? How about making the playoffs with the Braves like 8(?) years straight?

i'm a braves fan so you don't have to lecture me.

but in a big game, one game takes all, a healthy brown is better than a healthy glavine.

 

[m2kewl]

Originally posted by: JonnyStarks
You wanna talk preformance in a big game? How about making the playoffs with the Braves like 8(?) years straight?

dude, the braves are like the buffalo bills...they get to the big dance - then fall flat on their arses

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: m2kewl

Originally posted by: JonnyStarks
You wanna talk preformance in a big game? How about making the playoffs with the Braves like 8(?) years straight?

dude, the braves are like the buffalo bills...they get to the big dance - then fall flat on their arses

The Braves have won a championship during their run, unlike the Bills. Therefore, they are not like the Bills.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: m2kewl

Originally posted by: JonnyStarks
You wanna talk preformance in a big game? How about making the playoffs with the Braves like 8(?) years straight?

dude, the braves are like the buffalo bills...they get to the big dance - then fall flat on their arses

and that statement right there exemplifies everything thats wrong with americans today.

you think the one instance of excellence is better than 13 years of sustained VERY VERY good (btw, they did win 1 WS in that string. )

 

[ThePresence]

Current Pitchers (at their peak) that I'd take over Glavine:

Maddox
The Unit
Clemens
Pedro
Smoltz (maybe)

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Current Pitchers (at their peak) that I'd take over Glavine:

Maddox
The Unit
Clemens
Pedro
Smoltz (maybe)

what about Kerry Woods, Mark Prior, Josh Becket, Al Leiter, Schilling, Jason Schmidts.

to me all of them at their very very best are better for one game than glavine. do/will all have better careers, highly doubtful, glavine has had one of the top 10 most successful careers among active pitchers today.

but for that one game, probably 1/5 of the starters in MLB today are better than Glavine.

 

[FrogDog]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Current Pitchers (at their peak) that I'd take over Glavine:

Maddox
The Unit
Clemens
Pedro
Smoltz (maybe)

what about Kerry Woods, Mark Prior, Josh Becket, Al Leiter, Schilling, Jason Schmidts.

to me all of them at their very very best are better for one game than glavine. do/will all have better careers, highly doubtful, glavine has had one of the top 10 most successful careers among active pitchers today.

but for that one game, probably 1/5 of the starters in MLB today are better than Glavine.

1/5? Nah. Look at what you're saying...I mean he has won a ton of games. Each of those games is just "one big game." I think you're letting the fact that he looks average (or below it) seap into your mind when thinking about this "one big game."

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Current Pitchers (at their peak) that I'd take over Glavine:

Maddox
The Unit
Clemens
Pedro
Smoltz (maybe)

what about Kerry Woods, Mark Prior, Josh Becket, Al Leiter, Schilling, Jason Schmidts.

to me all of them at their very very best are better for one game than glavine. do/will all have better careers, highly doubtful, glavine has had one of the top 10 most successful careers among active pitchers today.

but for that one game, probably 1/5 of the starters in MLB today are better than Glavine.

Well for one big game there are probably hundreds of pitchers that I'd take over Glavine.
Leading the list is Orlando Henandez and Andy Pettite. Talk about being big-game pitchers.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: FrogDog

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Current Pitchers (at their peak) that I'd take over Glavine:

Maddox
The Unit
Clemens
Pedro
Smoltz (maybe)

what about Kerry Woods, Mark Prior, Josh Becket, Al Leiter, Schilling, Jason Schmidts.

to me all of them at their very very best are better for one game than glavine. do/will all have better careers, highly doubtful, glavine has had one of the top 10 most successful careers among active pitchers today.

but for that one game, probably 1/5 of the starters in MLB today are better than Glavine.

1/5? Nah. Look at what you're saying...I mean he has won a ton of games. Each of those games is just "one big game." I think you're letting the fact that he looks average (or below it) seap into your mind when thinking about this "one big game."

nope, in my OP i said PEAK TO PEAK.

Kerry woods on his ABSOLUTE best day vs Tom Glavine on his ABSOLUTE best day.

btw, the 1/5 number was not totally arbitrary, thats basically the #1 starters for each team in MLB.

again, if you do a search on Tom Glavine and Platinumgold, you'll see i'm a HUGE fan of his, but let's face it he doesn't have the talent that a lot of these other pitchers did.

 

[ThePresence]

Completely OT but baseball related: Gabe Kapler has a hell of an outfielders arm. I'm watching the Angels vs. Sox on MLB.TV and he made two terrific throws so far. Excuse me.

 

[FrogDog]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: FrogDog

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Current Pitchers (at their peak) that I'd take over Glavine:

Maddox
The Unit
Clemens
Pedro
Smoltz (maybe)

what about Kerry Woods, Mark Prior, Josh Becket, Al Leiter, Schilling, Jason Schmidts.

to me all of them at their very very best are better for one game than glavine. do/will all have better careers, highly doubtful, glavine has had one of the top 10 most successful careers among active pitchers today.

but for that one game, probably 1/5 of the starters in MLB today are better than Glavine.

1/5? Nah. Look at what you're saying...I mean he has won a ton of games. Each of those games is just "one big game." I think you're letting the fact that he looks average (or below it) seap into your mind when thinking about this "one big game."

nope, in my OP i said PEAK TO PEAK.

Kerry woods on his ABSOLUTE best day vs Tom Glavine on his ABSOLUTE best day.

btw, the 1/5 number was not totally arbitrary, thats basically the #1 starters for each team in MLB.

again, if you do a search on Tom Glavine and Platinumgold, you'll see i'm a HUGE fan of his, but let's face it he doesn't have the talent that a lot of these other pitchers did.

Well on their absolute best days, all the pitchers in the MLB throw no-hitters.

Edit: And so a better question is - Who would you pitch, at their peak, in the big game. And then Glavine would rank pretty high, because he's had some great years.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: FrogDog

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: FrogDog

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Current Pitchers (at their peak) that I'd take over Glavine:

Maddox
The Unit
Clemens
Pedro
Smoltz (maybe)

what about Kerry Woods, Mark Prior, Josh Becket, Al Leiter, Schilling, Jason Schmidts.

to me all of them at their very very best are better for one game than glavine. do/will all have better careers, highly doubtful, glavine has had one of the top 10 most successful careers among active pitchers today.

but for that one game, probably 1/5 of the starters in MLB today are better than Glavine.

1/5? Nah. Look at what you're saying...I mean he has won a ton of games. Each of those games is just "one big game." I think you're letting the fact that he looks average (or below it) seap into your mind when thinking about this "one big game."

nope, in my OP i said PEAK TO PEAK.

Kerry woods on his ABSOLUTE best day vs Tom Glavine on his ABSOLUTE best day.

btw, the 1/5 number was not totally arbitrary, thats basically the #1 starters for each team in MLB.

again, if you do a search on Tom Glavine and Platinumgold, you'll see i'm a HUGE fan of his, but let's face it he doesn't have the talent that a lot of these other pitchers did.

Well on their absolute best days, all the pitchers in the MLB throw no-hitters.

Edit: And so a better question is - Who would you pitch, at their peak, in the big game. And then Glavine would rank pretty high, because he's had some great years.

i think we can safely agree to disagree.

you said "in a big game" and then you say "he's had some great years"

while it is true of both Glavine and Maddux that they had great seasons, but have been NOT so great in the Post Season in those "Big Games".

actually Smoltz is the pitcher that has really been clutch for the braves. interestingly enough, of the 3, glavine, maddux and smoltz, smoltz will probably have the hardest time getting in the HOF.

 

[memo]

im a huge cubs fan but you can't say what prior or woods peaks are, they havent peaked yet. but ill go ahead and say it depends on the line-up they face too. I think Johnson is seriously the only one you can throw out against ANY lineup in the world and he'll pitch as well as he does. In my opinion of course

 

[memo]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: FrogDog

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: FrogDog

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Current Pitchers (at their peak) that I'd take over Glavine:

Maddox
The Unit
Clemens
Pedro
Smoltz (maybe)

what about Kerry Woods, Mark Prior, Josh Becket, Al Leiter, Schilling, Jason Schmidts.

to me all of them at their very very best are better for one game than glavine. do/will all have better careers, highly doubtful, glavine has had one of the top 10 most successful careers among active pitchers today.

but for that one game, probably 1/5 of the starters in MLB today are better than Glavine.

1/5? Nah. Look at what you're saying...I mean he has won a ton of games. Each of those games is just "one big game." I think you're letting the fact that he looks average (or below it) seap into your mind when thinking about this "one big game."

nope, in my OP i said PEAK TO PEAK.

Kerry woods on his ABSOLUTE best day vs Tom Glavine on his ABSOLUTE best day.

btw, the 1/5 number was not totally arbitrary, thats basically the #1 starters for each team in MLB.

again, if you do a search on Tom Glavine and Platinumgold, you'll see i'm a HUGE fan of his, but let's face it he doesn't have the talent that a lot of these other pitchers did.

Well on their absolute best days, all the pitchers in the MLB throw no-hitters.

Edit: And so a better question is - Who would you pitch, at their peak, in the big game. And then Glavine would rank pretty high, because he's had some great years.

i think we can safely agree to disagree.

you said "in a big game" and then you say "he's had some great years"

while it is true of both Glavine and Maddux that they had great seasons, but have been NOT so great in the Post Season in those "Big Games".

actually Smoltz is the pitcher that has really been clutch for the braves. interestingly enough, of the 3, glavine, maddux and smoltz, smoltz will probably have the hardest time getting in the HOF.

it's not all about big-game pitching to get into HOF though. like el duque, im pretty sure he wont be going to the hall but hes lights out in the playoffs. to me any person that can sustain 9+ years of good pitching should get in and thats what smoltz did. Great years as a starter and an awesome closer.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: memo
im a huge cubs fan but you can't say what prior or woods peaks are, they havent peaked yet. but ill go ahead and say it depends on the line-up they face too. I think Johnson is seriously the only one you can throw out against ANY lineup in the world and he'll pitch as well as he does. In my opinion of course

absolutely, we have no way of knowing what the peaks of woods or prior are going to be but i'm pretty sure glavine has past his peak. and prior against the braves last season showed what he was cabaple of and i'm not sure that glavine could ever have done that well against that lineup.

 

[NeoV]

the comparison is really impossible - most of the guys mentioned in this thread are good pitchers.

I think the tell-all statistic for pitchers is WHIP - if less baserunners you allow, the fewer runs.

That being said, I don't believe Glavine has ever been a great WHIP guy.

At their best, Brown's stuff was much nastier than Glavine's was - in fact, Brown would easily be in my top 5, of all current pitchers with their best stuff, if I had to pick...along with Pedro, Unit, Clemens, and Hudson..

One thing about Smoltz - he insists he wants to be a starter again next season - I don't think his arm can take it though - I think he could be HOF if he closes for 3 or 4 more years - he'd probably be #5 on the prior list if I was going to list him as a starter...