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Interesting read for those discussing the hydrogen car thing: the VW 1-Liter Car

Fausto

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While this would be hugely expensive to produce for consumers thanks to all the exotic weight-saving materials, it would be interesting to see them shoot for a more practical (and cheap) consumer car that got, say, 100mpg, was a bit bigger and went a bit faster. Would be a great vehicle for the average commute and a nice stopgap between current cars and stuff like the fuel-cell and other designs that aren't terribly practical yet. An interesting read if nothing else.
 
It's neat...but I have one problem. They use the word "sporty" waaaaaaaaaay too much. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: vi_edit
It's neat...but I have one problem. They use the word "sporty" waaaaaaaaaay too much. 🙂
At least they didn't use "zesty". That is my all-time least-favorite word.

Zesty = "spicy" for pussies. If you're not sweating while you eat it, it's not "zesty" dammit! :|
 
Here is the part i found most interesting (btw, i only read it because Fausto1 swore it was interesting. He was right!)

...However, a 3-cylinder engine was out of the question for a fuel consumption level of just one litre per 100 kilometres. A 2-cylinder engine was also quickly dismissed. The final solution was a one-cylinder naturally-aspirated diesel engine with a displacement of just 0.3 litres. The direct injection diesel engine makes use of the most efficient injection system available today: a unit injection element with 6-hole jet and pre-injection. It provides a high working pressure of 2,000 bar.

The one-cylinder SDI engine in the 1-litre car is not a mere derivative of the familiar engines, but is rather a completely new, technically highly sophisticated development. Two overhead camshafts actuate roller rocker fingers which in turn actuate three valves, two inlet valves and one exhaust outlet valve. These are then fed from the engine through a titanium exhaust system with reduced backpressure.

The two overhead camshafts are driven by a strengthened toothed belt. The engine is an aluminium monobloc construction. That means that the cylinder head and crankcase of the compression-ignition engine are cast as a single piece. But that is not the end of the lightweight construction, for also here, all technically feasible stops have been pulled. The fuel pump housing is made of magnesium. The trapezoidal connecting rod is made of particle-reinforced titanium. The success of these measures becomes evident on the scales: dry (i.e. without operating fluids like oil and water), the engine weighs in at an unbelievably light 26 kilograms. Ready for operation, including the starter-alternator, it is just 12 kilograms more.

Besides the reduction in weight, various measures were taken inside the engine to optimise fuel consumption. To minimise frictional resistance, the running area of the cylinder has been laser alloyed, roller rocker fingers reduce friction in the valve drive, even the tension of the piston rings has been reduced.

The centrally mounted one-cylinder SDI diesel engine is transversely installed in front of the rear axle, has a displacement of 299 cc and generates its maximum output (6.3 kW / 8.5 bhp) at 4,000 rpm. The maximum torque of 18.4 Newton metres is delivered at 2,000 rpm.

Even with this apparently low output and power development, the extremely light vehicle weight (which is comparable to that of an average touring motorcycle) and the excellent aerodynamics (with a drag coefficient of 0.159 ? much better that a motorcycle and far better any series production vehicle) provide for a lively performance. For example, the 1-litre car reaches a top speed of 120 km/h.


think about it.... You could drive a 1-banger some day!
 
Man...looks like a nice futuristic and concept-like and all that...but I don't think it would survive even a slight crash 😀 Much less an encounter with a dreaded SUV. </sarcasm>
 
Originally posted by: Queasy
Man...looks like a nice futuristic and concept-like and all that...but I don't think it would survive even a slight crash 😀 Much less an encounter with a dreaded SUV. </sarcasm>

Actually (sarcasm aside 😉 ), you'd be surprised. The nose and "tub" the driver sits in in an F1 car are 100% carbon fiber and will withstand a godawful impact.

 
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Here is the part i found most interesting (btw, i only read because Fausto1 swore it was interesting. He was right!
Would I lie to you guys? 😀

More importantly....wouldn't you not like to tell a quasi-truth?!

Short answer, i'd choose celery.
 
Originally posted by: Placer14
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Here is the part i found most interesting (btw, i only read because Fausto1 swore it was interesting. He was right!
Would I lie to you guys? 😀

More importantly....wouldn't you not like to tell a quasi-truth?!

Short answer, i'd choose celery.
Tad early in the day to be drinking, ins't it? 😉

 
This is interesting stuff.....

My problem with all the hydrogen/fuel cell/hybrid etc etc is that they focus on making an extremely lightweight, aerodynamic car that has very little "oomph". It's all about an efficient commute. Well guess what. The consumers are speaking loud and clear with their pocketbooks -- they would rather shell out some more bucks to have a vehicle with better performance that's heavier and roomier, that's why SUV's are now outselling everything else. Basically, I don't want some "insight" or other such techno econobox junk, I want a real car.
 
well, a more practical solution exsists, the VW Lupo3l - a small towncommuter 3l(diesel)/100km or the Lupo FSI 100hp directinjection gas engine supposedly 5l/100km

also Opel has the Astra Ecotec which is supposed to be quite good too
 
Originally posted by: tagej
This is interesting stuff.....

My problem with all the hydrogen/fuel cell/hybrid etc etc is that they focus on making an extremely lightweight, aerodynamic car that has very little "oomph". It's all about an efficient commute. Well guess what. The consumers are speaking loud and clear with their pocketbooks -- they would rather shell out some more bucks to have a vehicle with better performance that's heavier and roomier, that's why SUV's are now outselling everything else. Basically, I don't want some "insight" or other such techno econobox junk, I want a real car.
Well, with a more practical application of this technology you could conceivably get a "real car" that still gets kickass mileage. This way you could keep the consumers happy for 20 years or so until the other technologies are mature enough to be incorporated into "real cars". I mean, if the near-pinnacle of technology nets you this car (200+ mpg) then I don't see why a watered-down version of the same technology couldn't net you a practical commute car getting 40mpg (or higher). That would be a humongous jump over where we are right now.
 
The thing I'm interested in is Diesel fuel. I don't know much about it, but isn't it a "dirtier" fuel than unleaded? MPG increase, but at the expense of more pollution? Again, I'm not sure and could be wrong. Pretty neat from a research standpoint though.
 
depends, in America (not just US I guess) u are probably right, that diesels are dirtier, But in Europe the fuel is of much higher quality (a demand for increased diesel application, but it applies for gas too) so diesels arent quite that bad there still not as clean as gas cars I guess (not sure though) but diesel catalysts are on their way and Renault is already selling their diesels with catalyst and particulate filter.... (which resulted in a healthy increase in market share for them in germany)
 
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Originally posted by: Placer14
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Here is the part i found most interesting (btw, i only read because Fausto1 swore it was interesting. He was right!
Would I lie to you guys? 😀

More importantly....wouldn't you not like to tell a quasi-truth?!

Short answer, i'd choose celery.
Tad early in the day to be drinking, ins't it? 😉

Drinking stuff? At work. Makes me do this --> 😕

Mmm..alcoholic water would be great. Water that gets you wasted would be the greatest invention in the uniw0rld!
 
as far as teh Diesel exhaust talk it is also a carcinogen, lung cancer is one that I would like to submit to the "Worst Way to Die" thread

I don't care myself, just putting in some info 😉

 
The license plate says "Wobble." I like it. I'll take two.

Seriously, these cars eventually will be MANDATED in our society...b/c of both the desire to reduce dependency on foreign oil sources and by the Greenies.
 
Originally posted by: radioouman
I knew that this had to be a repost. I read about this a long time ago....

But it is still pretty cool.
I figured as much too, but thought it was relevant given the hydrogen car discussion, gas price predictions for the spring, impending war, etc.
 
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