Interesting poll

Page 2 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
50,879
4,268
126
I'm most interested in being allowed to do what I wish with the understanding of "my right to swing my fist ends where your nose begins" than some vague concept.

Economies are not "either or". Most people do not want either corporations or governments controlling their lives. To be sure, they have substantial influence and always will, however I don't freely surrender self determination.
 

40Hands

Diamond Member
Jun 29, 2004
5,042
0
71
+1. Interesting to see the political beliefs of my friends change as they've moved on from college and are several years along in their careers. Of course, the ones who are still in school and have never worked a day in their life haven't changed much but I've seen change in the ones who've been working their ways up the corporate ladder.

Yeah it's great to see people who change their tune for the almighty $. :rolleyes:
 
Last edited:

ShawnD1

Lifer
May 24, 2003
15,987
2
81
What does socialism have to do with the Gini?
A perfect communist state would have a Gini index of 0 (everyone makes the same regardless of how shitty their work is).

In a perfect capitalist state with no socialism, there's no restriction on how wealthy you can be (bill gates) and there's no restriction on how poor you can be (starve to death). A perfect capitalist state would have a Gini index much closer to 1.... maybe like 0.6 or 0.7 would be about right. Obviously people doing the same work would get paid the same but there would still be a very large difference between rich and poor, hence a Gini index closer to 1.

Gini is also a relatively strong indication of democracy because people are selfish and people will vote for things that they want (free shit). The most democratic countries in the world, Sweden and Norway, have very low Gini numbers of 25 and 26 because everyone has a fairly equal grab at everyone else's money. Countries with the most inequality tend to be shit holes that nobody would call democratic without giggling. Example: Brazil's Gini index is 57 (very unequal) and their democracy index is 7.38 out of 10 and classed as a "flawed democracy".

So what have we learned so far? Democracy leads to legal freedom, economic freedom, an increase in socialism, and an increase in human development. Countries with major corruption problems tend to be less democratic, less socialist, sometimes less economically free, and less developed.
The countries on the list of most economically free (capitalist) also show up on the list of countries that have the most equal income distribution (socialist) and the list of countries with the strongest democracy (freedom).

Socialism and capitalism are not mutually exclusive. Both are good when used correctly.


edit
apparently USA is #18 in democracy. lulz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index
 
Last edited:

Daedalus685

Golden Member
Nov 12, 2009
1,386
1
0
Just because something is wonderful in an idealistic perfect utopia doesn't mean it works worth a damn.

I never said it did.. But just because many people dedicate their lives to accumulating stuff (cash, houses, etc.) does not fundamentally mean it is a good thing. One can hate it and still accept it is how things are.

40Hands didn't say anything that pointing out the reality of the situation discredits.

As for the utopia thing.. the moment one stops trying to make things better is the moment they stop getting better. There is nothing wrong with Utopian thinking in the sciences like that... the problem is when folks demand it all change at once.
 

40Hands

Diamond Member
Jun 29, 2004
5,042
0
71
I never said it did.. But just because many people dedicate their lives to accumulating stuff (cash, houses, etc.) does not fundamentally mean it is a good thing. One can hate it and still accept it is how things are.

40Hands didn't say anything that pointing out the reality of the situation discredits.

As for the utopia thing.. the moment one stops trying to make things better is the moment they stop getting better. There is nothing wrong with Utopian thinking in the sciences like that... the problem is when folks demand it all change at once.

Well said.
 

ShawnD1

Lifer
May 24, 2003
15,987
2
81
Just because something is wonderful in an idealistic perfect utopia doesn't mean it works worth a damn.
Indeed, this is why unrestricted socialism and unrestricted capitalism both failed miserably.


The result of unregulated capitalism, a stock market crash and bank runs are largely a product of hedge funds and investing with borrowed money.
USA in the 1930s:
1928-great-depression.jpg


This happened again with the recent housing bust. Everyone's doing speculative buying with borrowed money then the whole thing crashes when margin calls are made. This also happened with the .com crash. Buy based on speculation then lose your shirt when it crashes. If you bought it with your house as collateral for a hedge fund (lol!) then you lose your house.

Soviet Union, what happens when there's no reason to really do anything or be alive.
0000ywag-500x336.jpg




tldr: Hedge funds should be illegal and Russians are stupid.
 
Dec 30, 2004
12,553
2
76
Younger people are idealistic. When they start working and paying all the taxes so the slob on the corner and the wall street executive can live a comfortable life they seem to change their tune.
This.

they also are loaded up with student debt (my top 5 engineering school costs $35k/year), and are going to be bailing your generation's Social Security and Medicare out.

We are also the last ones to be employed during a recession. Only 28% last term had job offers in hand as they walked out the door. Usually our school has over 90%.