Interesting overclocking article
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TuxDave
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Umm... what? I don't remember seeing Intel post a net loss any time in the past year.
"I saw a recent review ..." "I've seen other tests..."
It's difficult to refute a person's judgement against a test when we don't even know which test he was looking at. All you end up relying on are his interpretations.
It's hard to look at a poster from AMDZone and expect an unbiased view. From what I see in all on Anandtech reviews they always do stock speeds first and then in a special section later go on overclocking.
My Summary:
10% focusing on the fact that we should be looking at stock speeds since 99% of the world uses it at stock.
90% saying that review sites like Anandtech, Tomshardware etc are full of crap and even if they had a benchmark which showed AMD winning they wouldn't cuz they're all biased.
To even imply AMDs current products even compare to C2D shows an extreme bias.
Given the name of the site im not suprised, however.
At the low end dual cores however, AMD is showing fantastic price/performance, especially for non-gamers.
Retarded AMD-fanboy rant against Intel and Intel's new C2D and the fact that it overclocks so well. I think that pretty much sums it up.
the difference between modifying a car and c2d is mods for cars cost thousands. Changing some settings is free, and in most cases c2d can go 3ghz on stock fan pretty easy. And still be stable
I don't think it was all that stupid, I'm neither an Intel or AMD fanboy, but the benchmark tools we use, and a lot of reviewing sites use can be, and probably are, biased. I'm no fancy programmer, but I can very well imagine certain benchmarktools to be optimized for certain cpu's, it's pretty much like testing a cars handling on slicks or raintires.
The so called amd fanboy doesn't suggest solutions for reviewers that will totally put AMD ahead of Intel, if they do, then all the power to him, because then he is right, but he simply wants to see a more unbiased way of reviewing cpu's instead of 'toy' benchmarktools. So unless anyone can disprove him, beyond the fact that very few people indeed do overclock their cpu, and use them on stock settings pretty much most of the time, and gives us reviews where intel beats AMD in 'standardized' methodological scientific reproducable benchmarks, then you have earned the right to tell him to shut up.
If you can't, why don't we give this a shot ?
The so called amd fanboy doesn't suggest solutions for reviewers that will totally put AMD ahead of Intel, if they do, then all the power to him, because then he is right, but he simply wants to see a more unbiased way of reviewing cpu's instead of 'toy' benchmarktools. So unless anyone can disprove him, beyond the fact that very few people indeed do overclock their cpu, and use them on stock settings pretty much most of the time, and gives us reviews where intel beats AMD in 'standardized' methodological scientific reproducable benchmarks, then you have earned the right to tell him to shut up.
If you can't, why don't we give this a shot ?
f4phantom2500
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That guy's stupid. He starts off by comparing CPU reviewing to car reviewing, and cites some examples of things that they could do but don't do in the car review world, comparing them to overclocking. The problem with it is that all of his car examples cost money. Overclocking isn't very hard to begin with, if you know what you're doing, and if you don't it's not too hard to find out (as long as you have a decent mobo, psu, cpu, ram, anyone can do it for free).
That may be the worst article I have ever read.
He will always have a job at my local newspaper though.
He will always have a job at my local newspaper though.
TuxDave
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Since he lumped Anandtech as a site that 'claim to be unbiased but really are' I'll use this as an example:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=2963&p=5
It's a real life application based benchmark on processors running at stock speeds (from what I can tell) that can be reproduced since it's all automated AND has Intel Core 2 Duos beating the competition. I think I got all the criteria you wanted.
For my purposes and likely other hardware enthusiasts, the rated clockspeed of a chip makes no difference. I usually skip over all the initial stock speed tests and go straight to how well the chips overclock.
I think you more or less did Tux, the article was't all that negative about amd at all, if you ask me. It simply showed intel having the faster chips, but AMD's 6000 x2 competed nicely against it's direct competitor, the e6400. What more could AMD ask for ? I suppose that guy got carried away a little bit.
Theres still some stuff that could be taken into consideration though, like the motherboards used, the price of the motherboards etc. And he is still right in saying that 90% of the cpu's being sold won't be overclocked, so saying Intels chips are better then amd's coz they overclock better is only important to enthusiast overclockers. It's almost safe to say that the average joe would prolly be better of buying an x2 6000+ instead of a e6400 ...
Theres still some stuff that could be taken into consideration though, like the motherboards used, the price of the motherboards etc. And he is still right in saying that 90% of the cpu's being sold won't be overclocked, so saying Intels chips are better then amd's coz they overclock better is only important to enthusiast overclockers. It's almost safe to say that the average joe would prolly be better of buying an x2 6000+ instead of a e6400 ...
myocardia
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Correct, but, he made a huge mistake-- he assumed that 90% of the people reading these articles on Anandtech, and other sites, are those same people who are buying processors with no intent of ever overclocking them. Those same 90% are the ones who come here, among other places, so they can ask, "Which is faster, an X2 3800, or an E6600? I won't be overclocking."
The vast majority of people who read articles about processors of any type are those of us who answer those non tech-savvy people's questions, it seems. I would guess that's because the information that those articles contain is something that the non-informed wouldn't understand in the first place.
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