Interesting Outlook on WWII from an old man

[WackyDan]

I was talking to my 95 year old grandfather a few months ago about World War II, and he had an interesting outlook on it.

The way he sees it, he believes that FDR purposely got the US involved in World War II so US manufacturers could profit off of it by selling war supplies to the allies. In his mind, FDR was less worried about the Axis taking over, and more interested in stimulating US manufacturing to get us out of the Great Depression.

Anyway, I was curious what people here think about this topic. I'd also be curious what the tin foil hat conspiracy theorists think about of this, as some of them seem to think that we knew that Pearl Harbor was coming and didn't do anything about it on purpose. Yep... even back then we had "truthers"

We had already ramped up production of weapons and were selling the UK food, planes, guns, ammo on credit well before we entered the war. The UK actually paid off that debt finally in the late 1990's if I remember correctly.

 

[Sonikku]

I was talking to my 95 year old grandfather a few months ago about World War II, and he had an interesting outlook on it.

The way he sees it, he believes that FDR purposely got the US involved in World War II so US manufacturers could profit off of it by selling war supplies to the allies. In his mind, FDR was less worried about the Axis taking over, and more interested in stimulating US manufacturing to get us out of the Great Depression.

Well I'll be damned. A damn Liberal of all people conjured up the best job creating policy in history. :'(

 

[MongGrel]

Thanks for letting us know that "truthers" existed well before Obama and the moon landings.

I also think it's great how there is a group of people who seem to know so much,.. yet can't do anything with it. It's pretty interesting how the people who know the truth and are so smart in figuring it all out, don't amount to anything as grand as what they claim to know.

I mean, to have the evidence, over something so grand, and to be able to topple countries over with it,.. but, not actually do anything with it,.. is pretty suspect.

Because, think about it;
- the Illuminati (or whomever) is all powerful and controlling
- the Truthers (or, again, whomever) is smart enough to figure it all out
- the Truthers can't do anything about it, because the Illuminati is just too damn powerful and manipulative,..
- ,... yet, not powerful and manipulative enough to silence or stop the Truthers from figuring out the truth

It all wraps up into a nice package,.. pretty convenient.

The fact of the matter is people like the Freethinkers have been around since at least the 1500's and 99% of what I've seen you spout off about is complete crap.

And has nothing to do with Obama or moon landings.

You come off as so ignorant to not even respond to most of the time.

Just a gnat flying around with a keyboard and an internet connection.

 

[MongGrel]

Well I'll be damned. A damn Liberal of all people conjured up the best job creating policy in history. :'(

That and you really need a lot of history lessons yourself.

Ignorant people are just ignorant.

 

[JTsyo]

Doesn't make much sense, since we were already supplying our allies with war materials before entering the conflict ourselves. From this standpoint, it would make more sense to continue to stay out of it, let everyone else fight it out, and just continue to supply others with war materials.

This. There would have been more money to be made letting the war drag on and selling supplies than from joining in. Imagine how much they would have paid us for an atomic bomb by the end.

 

[K1052]

We had already ramped up production of weapons and were selling the UK food, planes, guns, ammo on credit well before we entered the war. The UK actually paid off that debt finally in the late 1990's if I remember correctly.

We were selling to them on a cash and carry basis until lend lease was passed. Also deals like destroyers for bases were done. FDR was helping the UK out in every conceivable way up to and including prosecuting an undeclared naval war with Germany in order to protect convoys.

The US was also building up internally to bolster our own defense. With most of major powers in the world the either on the precipice of war or actively engaged it seemed like a prudent step.

 

[werepossum]

We had already ramped up production of weapons and were selling the UK food, planes, guns, ammo on credit well before we entered the war. The UK actually paid off that debt finally in the late 1990's if I remember correctly.

Yup. The USSR never did though.

We were selling to them on a cash and carry basis until lend lease was passed. Also deals like destroyers for bases were done. FDR was helping the UK out in every conceivable way up to and including prosecuting an undeclared naval war with Germany in order to protect convoys.

The US was also building up internally to bolster our own defense. With most of major powers in the world the either on the precipice of war or actively engaged it seemed like a prudent step.

Lend-Lease and FDR's folksy selling of it to an isolationist public were his true individual genius. Many Presidents could have led the war, but without Lend-Lease, likely neither the UK nor the USSR could have held out. No UK (as a belligerent) means no staging area for Normandy which means no invasion to retake France. Without FDR, the whole of Europe might well have been a horrible place post-war instead of just the USSR-dominated parts, and Africa and the Middle East . . .

Well, can't win 'em all.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

It wasn't just Pear Harbor the German U-boats were also sinking commercial vessels. The biggest mistake we made we made after WWII, during the Korean Conflict. We had the nuclear bomb but did not attack China when they started invading Korea from the North. We should have leveled Bejing overnight with a Nuclear Bomb. Instead we let Americans by the thousands and other NATO forces get killed by the Communist Chinese.

We didn't bomb mainland China because the fear was that the war would escalate into a huge regional war and while we were tied up, the Soviets would take the rest of Europe and we wouldn't be able to stop them.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Yup. The USSR never did though.

No, it dissolved before all payments had been made. They were finally paid off by Russia in, I think, 2009.

 

[irishScott]

Thanks for letting us know that "truthers" existed well before Obama and the moon landings.

I also think it's great how there is a group of people who seem to know so much,.. yet can't do anything with it. It's pretty interesting how the people who know the truth and are so smart in figuring it all out, don't amount to anything as grand as what they claim to know.

I mean, to have the evidence, over something so grand, and to be able to topple countries over with it,.. but, not actually do anything with it,.. is pretty suspect.

Because, think about it;
- the Illuminati (or whomever) is all powerful and controlling
- the Truthers (or, again, whomever) is smart enough to figure it all out
- the Truthers can't do anything about it, because the Illuminati is just too damn powerful and manipulative,..
- ,... yet, not powerful and manipulative enough to silence or stop the Truthers from figuring out the truth

It all wraps up into a nice package,.. pretty convenient.

You left out a step: The illuminati are letting the truthers stick around and bleat for plausible deniability. And I'm sure it continues from there. A conspiracy theorist's mindset is little more than a set of back-and-forth contradictions. They go as many layers in as they need to satisfy their bottom-of-the-barrel standard of proof and then stop on one that excuses their personal inadequacy.