Interesting, Mass shootings jumped since Obama has been elected.

Rakehellion

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What counts as an "extremist" attack? That's a pretty wide net.

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glenn1

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Because crazy fanatics bent on mass homicide took a vote and decided not to follow a normal distribution curve?

Honestly, there is no means short of turning ourselves into a complete police state that will stop demented people who want to kill wholesale, and even in police states it still happens; witness the mass fatality terrorism event in Russia.
 

kage69

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No idea. But I'm sure Obama being a half-black, terrorist loving, Merica hating, reparations wantin, gun grabbin, death panel promotin, socialist muslim from Kenya has nothing to do with it.
 

PokerGuy

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And have easy access to guns.

You mean like in Paris? Norway? Russia? etc etc etc

When will you dolts realize that someone wiling to murder innocents will not have a difficult time getting the weapons no matter what laws are in place?
 

Ackmed

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What counts as an "extremist" attack? That's a pretty wide net.

According to the FBI a 'mass murder' is, "a number of murders (four or more) occurring during the same incident, with no distinctive time period between the murders”.

This is pretty unbelievable actually;
Mass Shootings under the Last Five Presidents

Ronald Reagan: 1981-1989 (8 years) 11 mass shootings
Incidents with 8 or more deaths = 5

George H. W. Bush: 1989-1993 (4 years) 12 mass murders
Incidents with 8 or more deaths = 3

Bill Clinton: 1993-2001 (8 years) 23 mass murders
Incidents with 8 or more deaths = 4

George W. Bush: 2001-2009 (8 years) 20 mass murders
Incidents with 8 or more deaths = 5

Barrack H. Obama: 2009-2015 (in 7th year) 162 mass murders
Incidents with 8 or more deaths = 18

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http://truthstreammedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Mass-Murders-1981-2015-under-5-presidents.pdf

Last one entered on 10/01/2015, so it is even higher than shown. I don't think a different president will be the automatic fix. Times are different from now, from yesteryear. Still it is hard to believe the jump. Obama's claim that mass shootings only happen in the US is just mind boggling though.
 
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Moonbeam

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We are going through a mass psychosis with conservative brain defectives sensing the end is coming. It's a dead cat bounce as the CBD goes extinct. A global world of one humanity is emerging. The chrysalis is bursting.
 

Ackmed

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Nobody was carrying? Not a good idea to go up against two people with assault rifles and you have a handgun? Do you know it wasn't a 'gun free' zone?
 

BonzaiDuck

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We are going through a mass psychosis with conservative brain defectives sensing the end is coming. It's a dead cat bounce as the CBD goes extinct. A global world of one humanity is emerging. The chrysalis is bursting.

I'd put it like this: there are at least two apocalyptic visions of extremists in the world at the moment. We have jihadists, and there are certain individuals or factions of evangelical folks eager for the "Rapture."

The jihadists are pushing the buttons of the Christian fundamentalists, who in turn buy in to the idea that this is a "Holy War" between Christian and Muslim. I'd already said it's a bad idea for getting the high-ground in the psychological battlefield to acknowledge any legitimacy to a holy war conception of this.

You don't want to fight the war defined by the extremist looney-toons. You want to define the conflict according to your own terms.

It just looks as though the jihadists are now copy-catting the domestic lunatics like Lanza and Holmes -- and Dear. That's pretty lame, if you ask me.

Also, somebody may have discounted my remark of a possibility that the Christmas party venue was significant. But it could be just so.

Christmas has always been an intersection between our religious life and secular holiday traditions. It's "Christian." But it was always common practice in offices -- government and private -- to hold a "holiday party." The one time in the year that I'd need to hail a cab to get home, with a lingering buzz-on from the egg-nog.

What better target would these amateur wannabe jihadists choose? The wife of a victim had noted her husband had engaged in exchanges with Farook in which he expressed frustration about "good Muslims" stepping up to the plate and denouncing the nut-cases.

It only bothers me that hardly a few weeks ago, here on the forums, I'd said that terrorists value big-city or high-value targets, and the Inland Empire -- a vast suburban sprawl -- has little in that regard. And now . . . the jihadists have "come home to roost."

So, as much as I don't want to make someone's light-bulb go on with a bad idea, the bad idea is probably already lit up.

In this episode of the "Grinch who stole Christmas," the Grinch doesn't seem funny. Pathetic? To me, perhaps. Does the public think these people are pathetic?
 

woolfe9998

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I think we need to step back and put this in perspective. Crimes reported in the media are not the only crimes which occur, and actually they represent a tiny fraction. We are seeing a surge of mass killings here. Overall, the murder rate in the US has actually gone down, not just since the 1990's (it is less than half of what it was then), but even in the past 5 years. In 2000-2009, more people were murdered in the US per capita, year over year, than 2010-2014. In fact, it has even gone down a little between 2010 and 2014! This year I don't have the stats yet.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

Scroll down and look at the per capita rate.

My best guess about the spike in mass murders is that it has a little to do with Islamic terrorism, but more to do with coincidence. I think we've seen a random short term spike which has reached critical mass, and with the inevitable media coverage whenever there are more than 2 victims, we are seeing lots of copy cats. Note how many of these killers, like Lanza or Holmes for example, were inspired by other mass murderers. What amazes me is that Columbine continues to be a major inspiration even though it happened 16 years ago. I guess Harris and Klebold continue to supply us with their homicidal gifts even beyond the grave. I'm sure they'd be quite pleased even they weren't dead and hence unaware of this legacy.
 
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I wonder if any significant part of it has to do with hate-mongering by some media outlets?

I think that all media and social media exposure plays a role in amplifying it, regardless of what the tone is. And these elements are a lot stronger than they were 7 years ago.

If you commit a mass shooting in America it will be talked about in tremendous volume. Not just on the news but there will be many articles about it and everyone will be saying things about it on Twitter and various other social media sites, along with comments sections and forums.

This gives stronger incentive to people who want to send out a political message, want to make people afraid, or simply want to become infamous.
 

woolfe9998

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I wonder if any significant part of it has to do with hate-mongering by some media outlets?

Not sure what you mean by hate mongering. The media cashes in on mass murders like they do every controversy. The mass murders I'm sure are particularly big sellers of news papers and hits on websites.

In any event, yes, exophase and londo have it about right. Press and social media coverage only amplifies all this because most of these killers want fame.
 

woolfe9998

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:thumbsup:

Yup, thanks Obama for the fact that fewer people are being murdered in the United States now than when he went into office.

Oh wait, he has little or nothing to do with the decline the overall murder rate, just as he has little or nothing to do with the spike in media covered mass murders.