Interesting if true. Obama and Israel reported to strike deal.

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I guess the money we already give them isn't enough?

Or the fact that they secretly developed nukes and denied having them for years...

Or the fact that we've caught them spying on us on numerous occasions...
 
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And people wonder why the Arabs say the US is dominated by Israel...

This is probably how it went with Obama and the Israelis.

Obama [on his knees kneeling]: Oh please Israel dont attack Iran this year, i have a re-election campaign that I need to try and win. If you do that then I might have to go on record and say I disagree, and that might have people call me a anti-semite. Ill tell you what, here you go you can have free muli-million dollar bombs and free state of the art attack bombers if you dont attack Iran this year ok ? Please ? Oh and ill send you all of those weapons along with the Billions we give to you for free every year to. If you want to attack anyways that ok though ill forgive you.
 
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Good, I see no reason why we cannot sell high tech stuff to Israel. They have the ability to develop them on their own anyway. We might as well sell them our stuff so they can test them in a real combat environment.
 
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I'm generally pro-Israel, but I don't like this much either, if true. I don't like Obama trying to time this for political reasons. If attacking Iran is the right thing to do, it shouldn't be arbitrarily delayed until after an American election. OTOH, if it isn't the right thing to do, we shouldn't be providing them with this technology. I happen to think it's foolish for Israel to do this, even with the improved technology.
 
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Two trolls following the news that there is a year to resolve the issue. :(

Many were stating the Iran was 2-3 years away based on current "announced" capability.


This allows a one year window for accelerating and fine tuning plans by both sides on the negative aspects

But even better, it allows one year for the solutions on inspections and the removal of sanctions as a result of the inspections.:thumbsup:

And Iran is being put on notice that the bigger stick is available for use if needed.
 
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GBU-27s and GBU-28s are almost useless against Fordow anyways (and that's assuming Israel dumps all their bunker busting ordinance in one strike). As much as the headlines portray this as being about Iran I don't really see it. Sure the political posturing is about Iran, but I think these bombs have a higher chance of being used in future developments with Israels newly destabilized neighbors.
 
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airdata said:
I guess the money we already give them isn't enough?

Or the fact that they secretly developed nukes and denied having them for years...

Or the fact that we've caught them spying on us on numerous occasions...
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I just woke up!! DUDE THANKS FOR THE HUMOR!!! your objective insights are so very refreshing!!:p:p
 
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EagleKeeper said:
Two trolls following the news that there is a year to resolve the issue.

Many were stating the Iran was 2-3 years away based on current "announced" capability.


This allows a one year window for accelerating and fine tuning plans by both sides on the negative aspects

But even better, it allows one year for the solutions on inspections and the removal of sanctions as a result of the inspections.

And Iran is being put on notice that the bigger stick is available for use if needed.
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If I may....I could be wrong but I thought that according to another article that I read Israel already iether had our bunker busters or they had developed their own that was much better.....
Leave it to Israel to improve upon our initial ideas.
 
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What is a 'long range plane'? They already have F-15's. BHO is going to give them B-1's or something? I can't believe that...
 
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chucky2 said:
What is a 'long range plane'? They already have F-15's. BHO is going to give them B-1's or something? I can't believe that...
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Chucky the way this works is they improve upon what they have already purchased from us.
Don`t believe a word anybody says about Israel not being able to reach iran and refuel and come home. They have already figured that out.

Why do you think we are so eager whenever something new comes out to allow the Israeli`s to check it out first?

Simple they find ways to improve that item.

My point being they do not need our help. They can go it alone.

Peace!
 
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I'd expect them to. People take things more seriously when it's for their country up against a wall (or, theoretically against a wall) than their company up against an earnings report.

That said, I'd rather us have nothing to do with Israel. That region needs to just duke it out and get it over with. Once 'the rest of the world' created the Israel problem, there was no turning back...can't reason with fundi's, on either side...
 
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JEDIYoda said:
Chucky the way this works is they improve upon what they have already purchased from us.
Don`t believe a word anybody says about Israel not being able to reach iran and refuel and come home. They have already figured that out.

Why do you think we are so eager whenever something new comes out to allow the Israeli`s to check it out first?

Simple they find ways to improve that item.

My point being they do not need our help. They can go it alone.

Peace!
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Even the MOP may not be useful against Iran's installations for long.
Israel has better odds of impacting Iran's nuclear program by continuing a program of assassinations and electronic warfare.
 
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chucky2 said:
That said, I'd rather us have nothing to do with Israel. That region needs to just duke it out and get it over with. Once 'the rest of the world' created the Israel problem, there was no turning back...can't reason with fundi's, on either side...
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I would favor dropping all foreign aid to everybody!! Mind you I am a pro-active Jew. No foreign aid period to anybody. Make the rest of the world step up to plate!!
 
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nonlnear said:
Even the MOP may not be useful against Iran's installations for long.
Israel has better odds of impacting Iran's nuclear program by continuing a program of assassinations and electronic warfare.
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Thats a very good point! Thanks for pointing that out!! So many times we run with what it looks like Israel needs to do when perhaps what they are supposedly currently doing - (plausible deniability..lol) will work much better.

Shalom!
 
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According the the Economist article Israel has the heaviest bunker buster munitions that would fit on the planes likely to be used in a proposed aerial strike (F-15s in this case). However, those are not thought to be enough to knock out Iran's site unless there are direct hits by a few of those bombs.

It may be necessary to use heavier bunker busters that require larger planes to carry.
 
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blankslate said:
According the the Economist article Israel has the heaviest bunker buster munitions that would fit on the planes likely to be used in a proposed aerial strike (F-15s in this case). However, those are not thought to be enough to knock out Iran's site unless there are direct hits by a few of those bombs.

It may be necessary to use heavier bunker busters that require larger planes to carry.
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maybe that is the article I was thinking of...
 
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blankslate said:
According the the Economist article Israel has the heaviest bunker buster munitions that would fit on the planes likely to be used in a proposed aerial strike (F-15s in this case). However, those are not thought to be enough to knock out Iran's site unless there are direct hits by a few of those bombs.

It may be necessary to use heavier bunker busters that require larger planes to carry.
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A 35-90% chance of a penetrating hit if Israel dropped their whole load of GBU-27 and GBU-28s on Fordow.

For a massive investment like that (the whole Israeli air force), a <90% chance of success is a hail Mary that would only ever make sense if it were capable of guaranteeing a strategic victory under circumstances of otherwise certain death. I don't see how shutting down one of Iran's many facilities would guarantee a victory under any circumstances, or how it would be relevant under any scenario of imminent Israeli defeat.

These bunker busters aren't for Iran. Israel is preparing for a world in which their neighbors are chronically unstable. I put much higher odds on these being dropped on the tunnels to Egypt than anywhere in Iran.

IMHO
 
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