Interesting happenings in MA primary .

[Fanatical Meat]

admittedly it’s a solid blue State and admittedly everyone running for district 3 is very similar. I do find this to be a sign of the New Democrats, Trahan called it a victory late last night, Koh said it’s not over till all the votes are counted, as of right now there is a 56 vote margin between Trahan & Koh. They’ve been swapping the top spot most of the morning.

*real time updates so totals may be different*

https://www.politico.com/election-results/2018/massachusetts/

District 7 had an old guard Democrat against a New Democrat. She won he conceded early in the counting. He sincerely congratulated Pressley and seemed glad there is a new generation coming up.

The new breed of Democrats are much tougher and ready to compete

 

[K1052]

Per NBC turnout for MA-7 was just a *touch* higher than usual

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Per NBC turnout for MA-7 was just a *touch* higher than usual

It’s not about how many are voting vs not voting, it’s about the competitiveness of the race, it’s about a semi unknown beating an establishment guy. Overall good news in my opinion.

 

[vi edit]

The analyst in me wants to know if this is more of a "fuck the establishment" wave and kicking out incumbents or if it's a legitimate we like candidate "B" more than candidate "A". The turnout and energy in the recent elections has been very interesting to say the least.

On both sides of the isle, being the established candidate has not necessarily been a good thing.

 

[K1052]

It’s not about how many are voting vs not voting, it’s about the competitiveness of the race, it’s about a semi unknown beating an establishment guy. Overall good news in my opinion.

She is pretty well known in the Boston area AFAIK. This is a significant upset but not an AOC style rout.

 

[K1052]

The analyst in me wants to know if this is more of a "fuck the establishment" wave and kicking out incumbents or if it's a legitimate we like candidate "B" more than candidate "A". The turnout and energy in the recent elections has been very interesting to say the least.

On both sides of the isle, being the established candidate has not necessarily been a good thing.

Maybe both plus a desire for generational turnover. Speaking for myself I'd find it very hard to vote for anybody over 60 at this point.

 

[Starbuck1975]

The analyst in me wants to know if this is more of a "fuck the establishment" wave and kicking out incumbents or if it's a legitimate we like candidate "B" more than candidate "A". The turnout and energy in the recent elections has been very interesting to say the least.

On both sides of the isle, being the established candidate has not necessarily been a good thing.

Could be a blend of both. There is definitely a “kick out the old guard” sentiment. Time will tell if this movement has legs.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

The analyst in me wants to know if this is more of a "fuck the establishment" wave and kicking out incumbents or if it's a legitimate we like candidate "B" more than candidate "A". The turnout and energy in the recent elections has been very interesting to say the least.

On both sides of the isle, being the established candidate has not necessarily been a good thing.

Bit of both but personally I’m more tired of the establishment. For example I have loved Warren in the past, I think she does acceptable work, I think her heart is in the right place.
She does what all the old guard Democrats do, she does not protect her reputation. This makes it close to impossible to get anything done.
I voted against her knowing she’d win but I did want to send a message that she needs to step up her game.

All the establishment Democrats roll over and play dead immediately. Time for that has gone. Going forward I want goals to be met, even if that means playing hardball because we all know you can’t successfully talk it out with a bully. You can punch them in the face and at minimum earn some respect.

 

[Jhhnn]

Could be a blend of both. There is definitely a “kick out the old guard” sentiment. Time will tell if this movement has legs.

With some luck, that will extend to the general election, especially for Ted Cruz.

 

[Starbuck1975]

The analyst in me wants to know if this is more of a "fuck the establishment" wave and kicking out incumbents or if it's a legitimate we like candidate "B" more than candidate "A". The turnout and energy in the recent elections has been very interesting to say the least.

On both sides of the isle, being the established candidate has not necessarily been a good thing.

Another side note. I think these insurgent challengers are a breathe of fresh air. There is an arrogance and complacency to these entrenched incumbents. I may not agree with their platforms, but I appreciate their energy as essential to our society. Probably why I found Bernie Sanders so appealing. It was a jolt to a system dying from atrophy.

 

[Starbuck1975]

With some luck, that will extend to the general election, especially for Ted Cruz.

Could be, but I think in Cruz’s case, his opponent is all style and no substance. I can’t respect someone who tried to flee from a DUI.

 

[Jhhnn]

All the establishment Democrats roll over and play dead immediately.

Bullshit. That doesn't explain the 2016 sit down protest in the HOR, the current fracas over Kavanaugh or a lot of other real world events.

 

[Jhhnn]

Another side note. I think these insurgent challengers are a breathe of fresh air. There is an arrogance and complacency to these entrenched incumbents. I may not agree with their platforms, but I appreciate their energy as essential to our society. Probably why I found Bernie Sanders so appealing. It was a jolt to a system dying from atrophy.

But not Beto O'Rourke, obviously.

 

[hal2kilo]

But not Beto O'Rourke, obviously.

Same shit different day.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Bullshit. That doesn't explain the 2016 sit down protest in the HOR, the current fracas over Kavanaugh or a lot of other real world events.

You are entitled to your opinion, want to review Congress when there was a D majority or post D majority during Obama’s tenure.
Bottom line get shit done, use whatever levers you have to get shit done and talk about your success
How many non democrats know or think Bill Clinton reduced/eliminated the deficit? How many know Trump is running a record deficit? How many know the trajectory of the economy under Clinton or Obama?

 

[repoman0]

I've been saying for a long time that millennial turnout is going to be ridiculous, and the number of my early to late 20s friends who were excited to participate and vote for Ayanna supports that (basically everyone I know). Capuano is a good dude but we are ready for younger leadership.

 

[Indus]

Could be a blend of both. There is definitely a “kick out the old guard” sentiment. Time will tell if this movement has legs.

It certainly does till at least Pelosi is gone.

 

[Starbuck1975]

But not Beto O'Rourke, obviously.

Same shit different day.

Poor exhausted water boys. Such a burden.

You’ll notice I’ve not posted once in opposition to Bernie Sanders, Ocasio-Cortez or Ayanna Pressley, because unlike Beto O’Rourke, they are candidates of integrity and substance...and none of them tried to flee the scene of a DUI. Such a good dude. I hear he plays bass guitar.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

It certainly does till at least Pelosi is gone.

Agreed and not because she sucks, like Hillary she is a very competent manager, she also is horrible at protecting her reputation.

 

[Jhhnn]

Poor exhausted water boys. Such a burden.

You’ll notice I’ve not posted once in opposition to Bernie Sanders, Ocasio-Cortez or Ayanna Pressley, because unlike Beto O’Rourke, they are candidates of integrity and substance...and none of them tried to flee the scene of a DUI. Such a good dude. I hear he plays bass guitar.

Heh. Integrity & substance... as opposed to the integrity & substance of Ted Cruz or any number of GOP politicians. You do seem to get all rah-rah for progressive candidates who can't lose, however. Don't support the ones who'll have to fight to win, however. It's your concern troll cover, apparently.

 

[rise]

Bit of both but personally I’m more tired of the establishment. For example I have loved Warren in the past, I think she does acceptable work, I think her heart is in the right place.
She does what all the old guard Democrats do, she does not protect her reputation. This makes it close to impossible to get anything done.
I voted against her knowing she’d win but I did want to send a message that she needs to step up her game.

All the establishment Democrats roll over and play dead immediately. Time for that has gone. Going forward I want goals to be met, even if that means playing hardball because we all know you can’t successfully talk it out with a bully. You can punch them in the face and at minimum earn some respect.

Yeah, I voted Warren but I've also called her office once and emailed her twice this year alone. And I've the same complaint as you- she rolls ovre like all the establishment dems. I like her compass, I agree with most of her policies and initiatives but she should carry more weight than she would if she was more aggressive.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Heh. Integrity & substance... as opposed to the integrity & substance of Ted Cruz or any number of GOP politicians. You do seem to get all rah-rah for progressive candidates who can't lose, however. Don't support the ones who'll have to fight to win, however. It's your concern troll cover, apparently.

Keep moving those goal posts to fit your narrative.

Concern troll accusations are juvenile and intellectually lazy, the water boy weapon of choice.

I supported Sanders, a progressive candidate that had to fight but lost. I’ve expressed admiration for Seth Moulton and Jerry Brown. I liked Elizabeth Warren before she became a brand, but respect her nonetheless.

Beto O’Rourke doesn’t automatically gain my admiration or support just because he is running in a race that is important to Democrats.

 

[hal2kilo]

Yeah, I voted Warren but I've also called her office once and emailed her twice this year alone. And I've the same complaint as you- she rolls ovre like all the establishment dems. I like her compass, I agree with most of her policies and initiatives but she should carry more weight than she would if she was more aggressive.

Wow, never hear the cons go on and on and on about her being aggressive. Sorry, but with right wing propaganda, there's no wining.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Yeah, I voted Warren but I've also called her office once and emailed her twice this year alone. And I've the same complaint as you- she rolls ovre like all the establishment dems. I like her compass, I agree with most of her policies and initiatives but she should carry more weight than she would if she was more aggressive.

Yup, I emailed her office the suggestion I’ve said on these forums.
She should carry her taxes & a scale in her bag everywhere she goes. The instant a pochahuantis tweet comes out she should pull out the scale for Mr. 239lbs. If she in in Congress she should pull out her taxes.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Wow, never hear the cons go on and on and on about her being aggressive. Sorry, but with right wing propaganda, there's no wining.

This is exactly why they need to step up and punch the bully in the face. May lose the fight but at minimum they’ll gain respect.