INteresting article on Vista and how it will be a PITA...

Duvie

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read this....I know it is long but then go to some of the backup links and read them...educate yourself on this

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt

If this is remotely true Vista is set to really be the disaster of the PCs...

A perfect reason why I plan to use WinXP pro as long as I can before Micorsoft throws it under the train and forces us to upgrade to Vista...

By then I hope to move fully to linux if the support of the apps I need is there...


The thing that sickens me is how the movie industry becomes the defacto guidelines of how PC hardware is made and their drivers are implemented...

I hope Microsoft tanks and the next time I see that skinny pencil neck geek Bill gates it is standing at my local freeway off-ramp asking for some change. I will send him a nice quarter super heated with a lighter.
 

willtriv

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meng, the appz is wicked in linux :) there should be a main thread just for linux support because id idle it and help ppls all day. I have no pity for windows users who deny linux its chance, but i love helping ppl switch.

i too dislike micrsoft, not bill g as much as MS. He's a decent guy and somehow found ways to work the system. I don't agree with the tactics they use, like ship windows and nothing else with ur pc's and u get half price, but they seem to be getting further away from what they are good at and more into dumbass things like zune that cant even run playsforsure wma's!
 

Fullmetal Chocobo

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Originally posted by: willtriv
meng, the appz is wicked in linux :) there should be a main thread just for linux support because id idle it and help ppls all day. I have no pity for windows users who deny linux its chance, but i love helping ppl switch.

i too dislike micrsoft, not bill g as much as MS. He's a decent guy and somehow found ways to work the system. I don't agree with the tactics they use, like ship windows and nothing else with ur pc's and u get half price, but they seem to be getting further away from what they are good at and more into dumbass things like zune that cant even run playsforsure wma's!

I'll be looking forward to a chat when I get my next machine up and running. I'd like to get another hd, and swap them out (one with Windows, one with Linux)... :)
 

Duvie

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You want to stop piracy you inept morons? It is called price the item accordingly...

Right now I can rent a movie for 2-4 bucks depending on new release or not. Buy DVD cases on average for 25-40cents (sale depending) and quality DVD-R +R disc for about 30-50 centgs...Average cost is up to 3-5 bucks...Now figure in the cost of the PC and components, as well as scannner for the dVD cover art, and quality printer and ink cost (huge cost alone)...I think cost to copy a DVD on average are more like 6-8 bucks....

To me that is there rightful price.....less for some of the cheap LD transfers of older movies whose bitrates are nowhere near the quality of other DVDs...

I will go into Hollywood Video and buy previously viewed movies for 7-8 bucks all the time rather then spend the time copying it.


This is how you defeat piracy...take the money making out of it...If it cost as much to copy then buy, who would buy?


Blue Ray is an exeption right now. Partly cause there a few expensive players on the market, limited movies, and I am not sure what the availability of a Blue Ray burner is. Let alone where do you buy the media? I dont see a big market yet. Too big to fill up HDDs for replaying only on the HDDs.....


I have always said a fair market price will defeat piracy on its own. When it become so much cheaper to reproduce then buy then we can point at the manufacturers making too much on a product....Right now you can copy a blockbuster release at 25cents on the dollar...You will never win then. You get closer to that and piracy will fade away and move on to more lucrative markets.

What does it cost to make a DVD movie? Any idea? Most times blockbuster movies (like Pirates of the Caribean) make back their money for production of ther movie in tickets sales alone. So DVD sales are pure profit. How long does it take to put the film on DVD, add some interactive menus, and some bonus featurettes (often done in low end visual and audio)? Nowhere near the money they make in DVD sales worldwide. often times now movies make far more in DVD sales then they did in theaters. Maybe the DVD should be the cost of a ticket to the theater. I own DVDs I have watched only 1-2 times...How much would hollywood have really lost out on me watching it twice with that type of pricing? Not much. By the time I watch a movie enough to concern them they will switch the formats on us again anyways and force use to rebuild our libraries again with the same titles....How many formats of star wars do I need? VHS? LD? DVD? DVD collector sets?....
 

willtriv

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Originally posted by: Duvie


This is how you defeat piracy...take the money making out of it...If it cost as much to copy then buy, who would buy?


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i couldn't agree more
music torrents are good, but if i can get a lossless for 10-25 cents a track, i'd rather pay.

the industry can't keep up with technology. They have too many head honcho's that are old fogies and don't have any new bright ideas to rock our worlds. They get really ancy when their primary income source is threatened and instead of turning it around and play it to their advantage they tooootallly shut stuf down. If movie downloading was popular, they should have jumped on the bandwagon, offered better download speeds, and quality they would have pwnt. They were slow, now online download movie sites are just starting up and the free movie trading got the point where its as good and as fast as anything they can offer.
 

nealh

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Has anyone heard of these issues with Vista that is out..it was released to RTM

I have decided not because of this but ..poorer overall performacne to avoid Vista till at least SP1...

I find it hard to believe all this will workout as written...if no videocard in retail will work and most Sound solutions..what will OEM's do ..this would kill them...not to mention the business who they hope will upgrade....
 

IdaGno

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I have but two words for M$, Bill Gates & any pol's that might be listening/paying attention:

STANDARD OIL

M$ needs to be broken up asap, & for the very same reasons.
 

piasabird

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You could just make a jukebox with movies in it and then just copy what you want and the disk pops out. A lot of movies sell for like $10-$20, but that includes a carrying case and what not. You have to rummage through shelves of these cases to find your DVD. Why not just have one device that just copies the movie and spits it out. It saves space and makes it easier to distribute the movie. The store would just order a master copy and then make copies to sell. Imagine an entire music store in a box.