Interesting article: inside look at weapons search team

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Yes Powell sure looked stupid going to the UN with bogus drawings of mobile bio labs the UN had never even seen, [ ... ]

Oh yeah, one more thing - Powell (and Bush) sure looked dishonest when they went to the U.N. with forged documents about Iraqi uranium purchases, and with a story about aluminum tubes that were only suited for uranium separation when, in fact, these tubes were unusable for this purpose according to the experts.

Let's not pretend this war was sold to America and the world honestly. Better to acknowledge that Bush & Co. lied, but you feel the end justifies the means. I don't agree with this, but at least it's an honest difference of opinion instead of a Bush-can-do-no-wrong delusion.

 

[Alistar7]

you are right, the people of Iraq were not oprressed. There was not a terrorist traning camp in southern Baghdad that was attended by fighters from all over the Arab world.

The camp Powell talked about was not controlled by the Kurds, they were actively engaged in battle before the war wit the Al-Qaida and other terrorists there who were recieving aid from Iran, not Saddam.

The labs themselves are being turned over to international inspectors, you think this is because they downgraded the likelyhood they were WMD labs? Quite the opposite.

The freedom of the people of Iraq and the oprression the suffered was mentioned many times before the war even began, talk about revisionist history...

 

[drewshin]

i guess it comes down to whether you think the freedom of the iraqi people is more important than the president of the u.s. telling you the truth, which he hasn't done.

that's a tough one...really, not being sarcastic.

most people for the war have focused only on the freedom of the iraqi people, while ignoring the fact that this administration pretty much lied their a$$es off to get support for the war, and can't be trusted to do the right thing.

most people against the war have only focused on the lies the adminstration has told, but forgetting that the iraqi people are now free from oppression.

i guess most people are used to the president lying to us, so that's why there was such large support for the war

 

[Alistar7]

Why was no member of the UN security council willing to publicly state he believed before the war that Saddam had clearly proven to the UN inspectors that all the WMD he admitted having were gone?

Why did they still ask for proof all WMD were gone as a condition to have sanctions lifted even after Saddam himself was gone, they seem pretty sure there are still WMD in Iraq themselves, and they opposed (out of concern for the people of Iraq). Their solution was lift sanctions early and forget Kuwait and their 600 pow's and all the other BS inthe resolutions they were not abding by anyway.

 

[Moonbeam]

Why is it when somebody's choking me to death do I worry about their fingers and not what I'm having for lunch tomorrow?

 

[LunarRay]

Catch 22,
If Saddam developed proof he destroyed the WMD then the evidence of their existence was proven. It would be consistant to then argue that the proof was insufficient and further proof was required. What proof could then exist. You can hardly prove that the absence of proof is proof of proof. We'd have to invade to prove that the proof did not exist and the WMD are hidden somewhere and they can't prove otherwise.

 

[Moonbeam]

Yeah, how true, HJ and we did. You know what we've found. Nada.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Yeah, how true, HJ and we did. You know what we've found. Nada.

Which of course, proves either they are great at hiding stuff or it is proof of nothing.

 

[lowtech1]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: Alistar7
There is no organized, well armed fighting force defending anything now, there is not the elaborate series of tunnels, hospitals, bunkers, etc. that were in Vietnam.

They have personnel, documents, and freedom to inspect anything now. The fact they have inspected so few is baffling, did the administration not think they were under scrutiny already and were pressed to produce quickly? I doubt that, yet the effort so far has been lacking. I understand they diverted 3 of the 4 teams and are trying to put more in place, but thousands of those people should have been right behind the troops from day 1.

You understand that some of the most dangerous tunnels in Vietnam had no one in them? It wasnt about tunnels or troops, but the nasty suprises that others leave behind I was thinking of. The cemetery is full of pieces of bodies that belonged to the cocky or careless.

Yes, thousands should have been inspecting, but I think the administration is afraid of what they may not find. WMD's were a usefull concept to bring people aboard, but not the need is not there. Invasion is over, Saddam out. All that passed before is irrelevent, and will be forgotten by the American public with few exceptions. In conversations about the world, it is already as if this never happened.

During the Vietnam war there weren't such thing as sniffing robot that we have today.

A robot can do a job of 10 people in a day and doesn't need to rest. The Canadian, European & Japan have quite a few of the robots that they can loan to the US "if the US is robot technology challenge"

The American administration are just buying there time to back pedal the lies that they have feed to their population & the world.

 

[lowtech1]

Originally posted by: drewshin
i guess it comes down to whether you think the freedom of the iraqi people is more important than the president of the u.s. telling you the truth, which he hasn't done.

that's a tough one...really, not being sarcastic.

most people for the war have focused only on the freedom of the iraqi people, while ignoring the fact that this administration pretty much lied their a$$es off to get support for the war, and can't be trusted to do the right thing.

most people against the war have only focused on the lies the adminstration has told, but forgetting that the iraqi people are now free from oppression.

i guess most people are used to the president lying to us, so that's why there was such large support for the war

What about other countries that are being oppress before & after the war that doesn?t have oil or have WMD...is Bush/Blair going to free them from their misery?

How can you justify the American administration action when they don't do what they preach?

It is naive to believe that Bush & buddies freeing the Iraq peasants, because dubiya is a good Christian that have a good heart and only want to help the poor.

I am sure that some people wallet are going to get fatter over this war from the American tax payer, Iraqi blood & oil.