Interceptor missile hits test target

Brackis

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A shield didn't work for the Aliens in Independence Day....we must learn from history. Not worth the billions of dollars if Will Smith decides to shoot a nuke at us. [/troll]

I really don't see the purpose of being able to intercept short range missles for the cost.
 

Pandaren

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The threat to Japan from NK would probably be short range nukes. I think this is a project worth pursuing.

However, we shouldn't loose sight of the fact that NK has submarines and other sneaky ways of delivering bombs :|

Originally posted by: Brackis
I really don't see the purpose of being able to intercept short range missles for the cost.

 

Colt45

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The russkij's will make something that will defeat it for a 10th of the cost ;)
 

JustAnAverageGuy

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Originally posted by: Colt45
The russkij's will make something that will defeat it for a 10th of the cost ;)

Them and their pencils. I mean honestly! What kind of outrage would it be to buy a 20 pack of #2 pencils @ staples! That would just be unacceptable!
 

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Originally posted by: Pandaren
However, we shouldn't loose sight of the fact that NK has submarines and other sneaky ways of delivering bombs :|

Any NK subs that have the capability of delivering missiles are fairly easy to track.
Missle launchers are much bigger & noiser than attack subs.
They may be diesels, but still noisy ones.

The midget subs are different story, however, they do not have the missle launch capability.

 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: judasmachine
anything will work you throw enough damn money at it.

Psssttt - DC gov't school system ;)

But yes, there does seem to be alot of money being put into this shield. Ofcourse the Liberals should be loving this sort of thing so we don't have to go get rid of thugs and dictators - we could just shoot down their missiles.

CsG
 

StageLeft

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I wish Canada was contributing to this. Of course a place like nk represents zero threat to the US; it could do only small damage, and would get eradicated. This shield is only worthwhile if it can counter a full nuclear strike, and if it does that there would be a definite arms race, so I can appreciate some of the concerns of the naysayers.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
I wish Canada was contributing to this. Of course a place like nk represents zero threat to the US; it could do only small damage, and would get eradicated. This shield is only worthwhile if it can counter a full nuclear strike, and if it does that there would be a definite arms race, so I can appreciate some of the concerns of the naysayers.

This isn't NMD. There seems to be many different missile defense programs.
 

Brackis

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: judasmachine
anything will work you throw enough damn money at it.

Psssttt - DC gov't school system ;)

But yes, there does seem to be alot of money being put into this shield. Ofcourse the Liberals should be loving this sort of thing so we don't have to go get rid of thugs and dictators - we could just shoot down their missiles.

CsG

Yes, I LOVE blowing tax dollars on something that can protect us from Canada. Can't you just keep your namecalling mouth shut and say something productive?

 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: judasmachine
anything will work you throw enough damn money at it.

Psssttt - DC gov't school system ;)

But yes, there does seem to be alot of money being put into this shield. Ofcourse the Liberals should be loving this sort of thing so we don't have to go get rid of thugs and dictators - we could just shoot down their missiles.

CsG

Yes, I LOVE blowing tax dollars on something that can protect us from Canada. Can't you just keep your namecalling mouth shut and say something productive?

Hmmm ... lets see who is name calling .... :sun:

A shield didn't work for the Aliens in Independence Day....we must learn from history. Not worth the billions of dollars if Will Smith decides to shoot a nuke at us. [/troll]

The missle shield is a mixed bag, as it costs a tremendous amount of money but again, we need a missle shield to protect against rogue nations.

 

Brackis

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Raildogg....you are not helping things.... clearly you cannot gauge sarcasm nor can you properly title sarcasm when you believe it to be namecalling somehow. Edit your post to nothing and I will for this too. I have contributed to this thread, you have not.


Edit: Nice try at saving face by adding a comment to the end of your post. Erase your post and I will erase mine. I'm willing to ignore petty bickering for the betterment of P&N's integrity, are you?
 

NJDevil

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Raildogg, you say in your post that we need to protect ourselves against rogue nations. What seems more likely, them getting the technology (Iran for instance) to launch a strike at us or them giving it to some terrorists to throw on a boat and blow up the harbor (only 5% of cargo is checked ... and we are "secure"). This whole missile defense system is a relic of the cold war, and though it seems less likely to trigger another arms race, its use is limited. Any decoys in the warhead would almost certainly lead to the failure of the interceptor missile, as it can currently only lock onto one target. Also, sending several missiles at the same time could easily overwhelm our defense shield. The costs of this system are ridiculous, over 10 billion a year and we have a 5/8 success rate in optimal conditions. So far, the two tests that were not in optimal conditions have failed.

We should focus on accounting for all the nuclear materials we are aware of, something the Bush administration only recently started to do, while claiming that nuclear proliferation is the biggest threat to America. Go figure that their rhetoric only began before the election and I haven't heard anything about it since.

Point is, missile defense is not useful in basically any situation. A nation that has technology sophisticated enough to build ICBM's has no trouble throwing decoys along with the warhead.
Our threats are more likely to come from unusual means that ICBM's, and that's where we should be focusing our money on, not a fantastic Gipper idea.
 

0marTheZealot

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This was during test conditions. If there is any inclement weather or bad warning, then the inteceptor won't hit. Missle defense is a red herring on national security. It really does nothing.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
This was during test conditions. If there is any inclement weather or bad warning, then the inteceptor won't hit. Missle defense is a red herring on national security. It really does nothing.

Obviously it's in test conditions. It's still under development :confused:
 

Brackis

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
This was during test conditions. If there is any inclement weather or bad warning, then the inteceptor won't hit. Missle defense is a red herring on national security. It really does nothing.

Obviously it's in test conditions. It's still under development :confused:

We don't have the luxury of trying to Rice out a missle defense system (oh the punnery), when we should be spending the money on other things. Heck, even if the money remains in the security budgets it should go towards things like NJDevil said, which we will ultimately need to do regardless of how cool looking our missle defenz0r is.
 

NJDevil

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
This was during test conditions. If there is any inclement weather or bad warning, then the inteceptor won't hit. Missle defense is a red herring on national security. It really does nothing.

Obviously it's in test conditions. It's still under development :confused:

Over 100 billion dollars have been spent over 15 years ... I'd like to see something more than "under development." Read my post above about the problems with missile defense that few people recognize. It's possible to have a system, but is it worth the cost? Absolutely not.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
This was during test conditions. If there is any inclement weather or bad warning, then the inteceptor won't hit. Missle defense is a red herring on national security. It really does nothing.

Obviously it's in test conditions. It's still under development :confused:

We don't have the luxury of trying to Rice out a missle defense system (oh the punnery), when we should be spending the money on other things. Heck, even if the money remains in the security budgets it should go towards things like NJDevil said, which we will ultimately need to do regardless of how cool looking our missle defenz0r is.

Well, that's just an opinion. I feel differently. Personally, I don't put too much weight on what people like NJDevil say after he pretends to be some sort of aerospace expert.

You do realize that this is different than NMD, or maybe I'm wrong? This is just like any other defense project in my mind. I think we should be spending money on a lot of things. However, I don't feel that NMD should be deployed right now.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: NJDevil
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
This was during test conditions. If there is any inclement weather or bad warning, then the inteceptor won't hit. Missle defense is a red herring on national security. It really does nothing.

Obviously it's in test conditions. It's still under development :confused:

Over 100 billion dollars have been spent over 15 years ... I'd like to see something more than "under development." Read my post above about the problems with missile defense that few people recognize. It's possible to have a system, but is it worth the cost? Absolutely not.

Are you saying that this particular system has been under development for 15 years? It seems to me that 5 successful tests in a row is promising.
 

NJDevil

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Are you saying that this particular system has been under development for 15 years? It seems to me that 5 successful tests in a row is promising.

I'm not claiming to be an aerospace expert, I'm just telling you what I have read regarding the issues. You can not put much weight on what I say, but the fact remains that current interceptors are incapable of detecting the differences between decoys and actual warheads. Ask anyone involved in the know abuot the program.

Second, you can have your opinion about this, but think about how far we have gotten in 15 years. Even in peak conditions we don't have really high success rates. Also, the threat of an ICBM attack has all but disappeared, and there is a chance that it will trigger another arms race.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: NJDevil
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Are you saying that this particular system has been under development for 15 years? It seems to me that 5 successful tests in a row is promising.

I'm not claiming to be an aerospace expert, I'm just telling you what I have read regarding the issues. You can not put much weight on what I say, but the fact remains that current interceptors are incapable of detecting the differences between decoys and actual warheads. Ask anyone involved in the know abuot the program.

Second, you can have your opinion about this, but think about how far we have gotten in 15 years. Even in peak conditions we don't have really high success rates. Also, the threat of an ICBM attack has all but disappeared, and there is a chance that it will trigger another arms race.

Just because it cannot detect differences now does not mean that it is impossible. Let me ask you, are you an engineer? I'm just curious. The reason I'm asking is that you seem to have a defeatist attitude.

Are you saying that this particular program has been in development for over 15 years? There are over 10 missile-defense systems in the US though, as well as global partnerships.

This particular system seems to have decent success rate for something that is still in development - 5 straight successes out of 6 tries.

Who is it going to trigger an arms race against? Any military development will cause someone else to develop themselves, be it a missile defense system or not.
 

0marTheZealot

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
This was during test conditions. If there is any inclement weather or bad warning, then the inteceptor won't hit. Missle defense is a red herring on national security. It really does nothing.

Obviously it's in test conditions. It's still under development :confused:

Yes, but don't assume test conditions = real conditions. In a real conditon, we wouldn't know 4-6 weeks in advance that we are going to fire a missle at such and such trajectory at such and such speed over such and such region of airspace.