Intense cop chest cam video of a shootout

[BUTCH1]

True quotas? Not likely. Town hall pressuring police to generate revenue (esp after the down turn in the economy), police chief pressures departments, departments pressure beat cops. Result? Cops increase ticketing.

If cops come in significantly lower than their peers they are questioned. So no, not a true quota, but they still have to meet certain numbers.

City next to me has a couple major roads with an access road at 40MPH. 2 lanes, people coming on/off highway, fair amount of traffic. Guess where they radar 3 days a week? But I'm sure it's because it's a dangerous road, not because the speed is lower than what's clearly safe (45MPH) and they tag people going 1-2MPH over.

I bet they write 90% of the city's tickets in this little 1 mile stretch of road.

Safety not revenue, right? FWIW I have never seen an accident on that road.

1-2 over should be fight-able in court. I don't think auto manufacturers calibrate their speedo's that tightly and unless the judge is a total asshole he might just toss it out altogether.

 

[balloonshark]

Because they are fucking stressed out. They deal with the shitheads of society all day every day. They have no idea from one situation to the next whether they will be dealing with a "reasonable" crackhead or a crazy machine gun toting crackhead. So they default to an alpha dog mentality which is based on their experience that if they do not immediately and unequivocally take control over a situation, they are risking injury to themselves and to their fellow officers on the scene.

Are their circumstances where a copy can relax? Sure. But the default state they are in is one that is designed for self preservation. If we lived in a society where everyone respected the rules without question or argument, every cop could be Joe Friday and every situation could be resolved by the cop asking one question ("Just the facts, Maam"). But we don't live in that kind of society. We live in a society where we ask cops to deal with people who have an expressed disrespect for the law and everything it stands for, and who in many cases are willing to harm any and all around them for their own personal gain.

Plenty of other careers are stressful and even more dangerous yet they somehow manage not to be jerks. I don't see why cops should get a pass.

I understand what you're saying about being alpha and being in control in a situation. They absolutely need to be authoritative but being mouthy and pissing someone off isn't making their lives any easier.

What needs to change? Everything. Do I think it will change? No.

 

[JSt0rm]

I don't think stressed out people should carry guns.

 

[pcgeek11]

I don't think.

I fixed that for you.

 

[Sulaco]

I don't think stressed out people should carry guns.

I was going to post that has to be the most idiotic thing I've read from anyone on these forums, but I figured I should just wait until you post again and raise the bar.

 

[CZroe]

BB gun or not, it looked real enough and everything happened so suddenly there was no time to identify whether it was a BB gun. Dude certainly seemed to be trying to harm the Cops or at least turn the situation around where the Cops would be taking orders from him.

The guy didn't seem suicidal, I suspect he was drunk and just had the gun on him for general intimidation factor. Then being drunk he just made a bad choice at the worst possible time. Shortly after he whipped it out he seemed to realize he had made a colossal mistake and tried fleeing. Even if all this is true, the Cops pretty much had to make the decision they did. Rationality would be overcome with the need to survive and this dude certainly was acting dangerous.

Moving the knife and "fleeing" to a place where he can go down in the grass makes this look like a training video.

 

[Theb]

Damn, theft of beer from Walmart turns into suicide by cop. Male cop had some nice reflexes.

 

[Printer Bandit]

why no headshot?

 

[JSt0rm]

I was going to post that has to be the most idiotic thing I've read from anyone on these forums, but I figured I should just wait until you post again and raise the bar.

So stressed out people should carry guns?

 

[BlitzPuppet]

So stressed out people should carry guns?

Damn, you're right again. Pull the weapons from every military member/guard/security/homeowner(Being burgled)/Carjacking victim from the start of time until the end of time. Them being in a stressful environment SURELY means they shouldn't have one.

Only people with the mindset of the Telletubbies should be allowed to carry.

 

[SketchMaster]

NVM

 

[JSt0rm]

Damn, you're right again. Pull the weapons from every military member/guard/security/homeowner(Being burgled)/Carjacking victim from the start of time until the end of time. Them being in a stressful environment SURELY means they shouldn't have one.

Only people with the mindset of the Telletubbies should be allowed to carry.

Whats amazing about the military is they can have engagement policies that they cant fire unless being fired upon... in a war zone. And they follow that shit. So stressful situation dont necessarily lead to stressful people. Stress is a indicator and how you use that is up to the individuals training. Average iq street cops probably dont have the best decision making skills already and then you put them in a stressful environment and well we see what happens.

anyways this was a good shoot but not a dangerous situation for anyone but the drunk.

 

[JSt0rm]

p.s. I love how you took me talking about stressed out people and turned it into stressful environment, as if they are the same thing. You a basic bitch.

 

[Phanuel]

You're excellent at concern trolling, I'll give you that.

And military engagement policies are only like that for patrols. If they're doing high risk close quarter entry, escort, or capture, they can definitely fire on an identified threat without requiring the enemy combatant to fire first.

 

[JSt0rm]

did I say it was for every situation? no. I said "can have"

 

[JSt0rm]

oh and what rules of engagement should the police have while on patrol in the usa?

 

[Phanuel]

I'm already bored of this circular fail.

You win (and we all lose, but actually just you lose)

 

[waggy]

I'm already bored of this circular fail.

You win (and we all lose, but actually just you lose)

You have learned 1 lesson. don't argue with a fool. he will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

 

[JSt0rm]

I'm already bored of this circular fail.

You win (and we all lose, but actually just you lose)

Please. I completely refuted your argument. Your problem is coming in here and not knowing your own stance.

You have learned 1 lesson. don't argue with a fool. he will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Sure waggy. I have no point to make here. I am merely anti-cop and have no point to make. No good citizen would ever question a cop.

 

[BUTCH1]

i didnt say they shouldnt of shot him. Im just saying they didnt actually have any risk of injury in this encounter.

This is completely true but also completely as irrelevant as it can possibly be, I don't even know why you would bring this point out TBO.

 

[JSt0rm]

This is completely true but also completely as irrelevant as it can possibly be, I don't even know why you would bring this point out TBO.

re-read the thread and you will know why I brought it up.

 

[BUTCH1]

re-read the thread and you will know why I brought it up.

I've read the thread and the cops possibly made a mistake by not frisking/handcuffing the guy right at the get-go but that does not change the fact that he attempted to use a firearm against an LEO and again, the fact that said firearm is more toy than firearm could not be more irrelevant since it looks EXACTLY like a 9MM pistol.

 

[JSt0rm]

Wrong. They had the risk of dying. Hindsight

I've read the thread and the cops possibly made a mistake by not frisking/handcuffing the guy right at the get-go but that does not change the fact that he attempted to use a firearm against an LEO and again, the fact that said firearm is more toy than firearm could not be more irrelevant since it looks EXACTLY like a 9MM pistol.

We go round and round. The risk doesnt go up because they thought it was real. The risk was still nothing. The perceived risk was high.

At any rate it appears the female cop did the right thing (tazer) and the male cop (the one who filled the guy with lead) didnt.

 

[NoStateofMind]

oh and what rules of engagement should the police have while on patrol in the usa?

The Law of Equal Force

i didnt say they shouldnt of shot him. Im just saying they didnt actually have any risk of injury in this encounter.

To claim that BB's don't have a risk of injury when shot would be quite dishonest and I'd be examining my internal thoughts to make sure my feelings about the situation weren't influencing my ability to think logically. I'm just about as skeptical of police these days as anyone but there's absolutely nothing I can say to detract from what these officers did.

 

[JSt0rm]

The Law of Equal Force




To claim that BB's don't have a risk of injury when shot would be quite dishonest and I'd be examining my internal thoughts to make sure my feelings about the situation weren't influencing my ability to think logically. I'm just about as skeptical of police these days as anyone but there's absolutely nothing I can say to detract from what these officers did.

Yeah because I said they didnt have any risk where?

u dumb.